[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-19 Thread Tristan von Neumann
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55 An: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused. To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640. The minuet seems by the same hand

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 19:47 An: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused. Would you mind looking up what is the criteria of the dating of the second scribe? If it's the minuet because it was made popular by Lully, we have

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55 An: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused. To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640. The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55 An: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused. To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640. The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page between "Ballo di Matova" (very oldscho

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2018-01-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55 An: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused. To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640. The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page between "Ballo di Matova" (very oldschool) and a simple ciacona. Also, this is just halfway through the manuscript.

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2018-01-18 Thread Ralf Mattes
Haven't played from Doni for a while but I always assumed that that the minuet and some other pieces are (much) later additions to the original manuscript. I never looked at the original, so I can't judge the scribal situation but judging by stile some of the pieces are definitely beginning

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2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Well, it helps, but if there is no actual example, I still know nothing :) Am 18.01.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt: Hi Tristan, no idea if it's correct but I've found this: [1]Konrad Ragossnig: Handbuch der Gitarre und Laute. Schott, Mainz 1978, [2]ISBN

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2018-01-17 Thread Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt
Hi Tristan, no idea if it's correct but I've found this: [1]Konrad Ragossnig: Handbuch der Gitarre und Laute. Schott, Mainz 1978, [2]ISBN 3-7957-2329-9, S. 111 f. (Menuett); hier: S. 111. .und der Hinweis Ragossnigs, dass die Bezeichnung Menuett erstmals im 16. Jahrhundert

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2018-01-17 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Thank you Captain Obvious :) As there seems to be some obscurity about the origins of the minuet, it would be nice to find other earlier examples. If there aren't any, this is the first written minuet. I usually don't play 17th century (with 7 courses, duh..) I just find Doni's book easy to

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2018-01-17 Thread Matthew Daillie
The minuet was introduced to the French court by Lully around 1673 but that doesn't mean it didn't exist beforehand (Doni's manuscript was probably completed about 30 years earlier). Best, Matthew On 17/01/2018 20:48, Tristan von Neumann wrote: ..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?