[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-11 Thread Max Langer
Does naming a piece after a fit sailor (at least in the 19th century there seems to be mention in literature of female sailors/fishermen (fisherwomen?), eg: Dickens), sailor/merchant wife (or daughter) seem all that far fetched? Surely music was all about sex, drugs and rolled chords already back

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-11 Thread adS
On 11.03.2017 07:10, jslute wrote: There's an English country dance from around the same time called "The Female Sailor," and Vallet seems to have some English connections. Jim Stimson I have "discovered" this already - this dance was written by Marais in 1706 :( Rainer There is another

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-10 Thread jslute
There's an English country dance from around the same time called "The Female Sailor," and Vallet seems to have some English connections. Jim Stimson Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Jean-Marie Poirier

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-10 Thread Matthew Daillie
You can download a 17th century French dictionary here: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k50614b I think 'La marinière' could also be translated as the 'sailor's wife'. You might be interested to know that there is a composition by François Couperin (obviously much later) called 'Les

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-10 Thread adS
On 10.03.2017 20:30, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Rainer you should get the facsimile from the Dutch Lute society ! Excellent edition to spare you poor old CNRS book ;-) ! I have both facsimile editions. A "marinière" would be a sailor girl... No idea why Vallet uses this term for his piece.

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
..and "un marinier" (masculine) means a man who skips a boat but rather on rivers, not on the sea. "Marinière" would be the feminine form of that. There is a song by by Guillaume Tessier, a Breton musician, published in 1582 (4 parts) with the text incipit : "Les mariniers adorent un beau jour

[LUTE] Re: La_Marini=c3=a8re?=

2017-03-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Rainer you should get the facsimile from the Dutch Lute society ! Excellent edition to spare you poor old CNRS book ;-) ! A "marinière" would be a sailor girl... No idea why Vallet uses this term for his piece. Best, Jean-Marie -- >Dear lute netters, > >I wonder what the meaning