Yes, I recall a Ren-Fayre guy telling me they were supposed to use a lot of
diphthongs then.
On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:31 PM, jslute wrote:
> Dear Martyn and All,
> According to the Crystals, "wind" would be pronounced something like "woind"
> or "woynd." Ben Crystal helped with one of my
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From: Martyn Hodgson
Date: 6/8/19 2:41 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Ron Andrico , corun ,
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
If limited just to London was the pronunciation adopted court or
educated middling class
Hodgson
Date: 6/8/19 2:41 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
If limited just to London was the pronunciation adopted court or
educated middling class or that of the general hoi polloi?
MH
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The clock can't run if its winded. But you got to wind it to make it run.
On 6/7/2019 3:12 PM, Leonard Williams wrote:
And then, of course, you've got the complication of wind (moving air)
or "wind the clock".
Leonard
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Yes, but the question must be, dialect from where exactly? Regional
dialects have always varied significantly and it is really a vain
effort to think we can impose one true historical pronunciation upon
the whole of the past. This is rather like
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:
>
> Yes, but the question must be, dialect from where exactly? Regional
> dialects have always varied significantly and it is really a vain
> effort to think we can impose one true historical pronunciation upon
> the whole of the past.
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I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but which
with which.
For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern pronunciation of
'find/mind' - or did 'mi
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From: Martyn Hodgson
Date: 6/7/19 3:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: howard posner , LuteNet list
, Ed Durbrow
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but which
with which.
There is no online resource that I am aware of. However Prof. Crystal is quite
accessible and if you email him and lines you curious about, or even just a
couple of words, he will probably be quite happy to respond. Often on
Shakespearean works, from monologues to entire plays, he will send a
I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but which
with which.
For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern pronunciation of
'find/mind' - or did 'mind/find' rhyme with the modern 'wind' ?
An early spelling of 'winde' and 'kinde' might suggest the former - but
On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:32 PM, howard posner wrote:
> What if Campion pronounced find as
> finned? Or something completely different?
Who is going to tell him?
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> On Jun 6, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote:
>
>>
>> For what it’s worth, in Shakespeare’s sonnets:
>>
>> Wind (in the sense of air blowing) rhymes with find and mind.
>
> That is the information I was looking for. Thank you Howard.
You’re welcome, but it isn’t necessarily the
On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:10 AM, howard posner wrote:
>
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote:
>>
>> wanted to know which word changes so that winde and kinde rhyme.
>
> If you’re asking which word is pronounced as in modern English (in what
> accent? Australia? Mississippi?) the
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote:
>
> wanted to know which word changes so that winde and kinde rhyme.
If you’re asking which word is pronounced as in modern English (in what accent?
Australia? Mississippi?) the answer may be neither.
For what it’s worth, in Shakespeare’s
On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Craig wrote:
> The thing with Early Modern English rhyme is that it doesn't match modern
> English. You should look at the work being done by Professor David Crystal on
> Shakespeare's Original Pronunciation.
Yes, I know that and know about the Crystals work. I
Ed,
The thing with Early Modern English rhyme is that it doesn't match modern
English. You should look at the work being done by Professor David Crystal on
Shakespeare's Original Pronunciation. For example, the word remove in OP rhymes
with love and above. Also pick up a copy of Johnson's book
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