[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-06 Thread David van Ooijen
Thanks to all for replying so elaborately, and thanks to Mimmo's kind reply off-list. It has been a helpful discussion. On 6 December 2010 19:06, Anthony Hind wrote: > What tension are you actually using? It was in the first message, but chopped of by now, I suspect. I quote myself

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-06 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Dan, As far as the 6c lute is concerned, I don't think anyone is suggesting that it needs loaded strings and in my experience, high-twist, Mimmo's "Venice", Larson pistoy are all fine - just pure gut all the way, one of the delights of the 6c lute! Martin On 06/12/2010 19:29, Daniel Win

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-06 Thread Daniel Winheld
Thank you Anthony for a most complete explanation of all the important facts and factors concerning these most highly evolved loaded gut strings. Now I feel confident that I could actually order them and know what to go for, and expect. And not only which lute to use them on but just as importa

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear David What tension are you actually using? It is true that the new loaded strings are better at a fairly high tension, although I have been getting away with 2K7, with 3K3 Venice octaves. Nevertheless, a higher tension would probably be better. I know someo

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony Hind
>A : Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Objet : [LUTE] Re: loaded guts >Date : 06/12/2010 00:06:38 CET > >My only experience is with his first generation loadeds from some > years ago. I still have one in use as the 7th course fundamental on > my Chambure copy (yes, a

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Daniel Winheld
Alright, let's find out which speaker wire makes the best bass strings. Monster Cable for low D and beyond, eh? Should match perfectly with the right fishing line in the treble. What to use for the lower middle register? (I still like Savarez KFG- "Kentucky Fried Gut" on some inner courses of m

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread David Tayler
Basically, we are talking about something that looks like speaker wire or audio cable. The copper or brass is on the inside. At 04:58 PM 12/5/2010, you wrote: >How different is that from Larson's "Gimp" strings- a wire embedded & >twisted into his Pistoy high twist bass gut strings? He offers c

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread David Tayler
They are similar, but have slightly heavier wire, and there are no exposed metal bands. dt At 04:58 PM 12/5/2010, you wrote: >How different is that from Larson's "Gimp" strings- a wire embedded & >twisted into his Pistoy high twist bass gut strings? He offers copper >and silver, among others. For

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Edward Martin
Echo again - yes, Dan Larson's gimped are similar to what you describe. But once again, I would not use them on mid-range, 5th & 6th courses, as gimped are stiff strings, and the intonation while fretting is not as good as plain gut, or certainly, Pistoys for those course. ed At 06:58 PM 12/5

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Edward Martin
I was about to add my 2 cents worth, but Dan Winheld echo's my experience. I do have one of the new generation loaded string of Mimmo's, and I use it on the 11th course on the 11-course lute. It works well, for the deep bass. Years ago, I used Dan Larson's loaded guts for the 5th & 6th, but h

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Daniel Winheld
How different is that from Larson's "Gimp" strings- a wire embedded & twisted into his Pistoy high twist bass gut strings? He offers copper and silver, among others. For a while he used gold wire. Out of sight now, of course. They were fabulous; I had two at one time- they did service as 5 & 6

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread David Tayler
The perfect solution for gut bass strings is the one seen in for example in some Asian instruments, where a wire core is wrapped with gut, silk or some other material. I have tried some Pipa strings made like this that were very nice, but not available in all sizes. You get the greater strength

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Daniel Winheld
My only experience is with his first generation loadeds from some years ago. I still have one in use as the 7th course fundamental on my Chambure copy (yes, a 7 course vihuela) and it's absolutely fine. I got one (!) pair of matching loadeds for the unison 6th that were enough in tune with each

[LUTE] Re: loaded guts

2010-12-05 Thread Mathias Rösel
> But still, these are nice strings to use on the fingerboard. Any people with (dis)similar experiences? Yes and no. On an 11c made by Ivo Magherini, everything is fine with loaded gut bass strings on the 6 through 11th courses, no buzzing at all. When I fret loaded gut strings on other lutes,