Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-09 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear All, I promised to identify the twenty musicians in a couple of days or so, so here they are: Ten modern: Elviss Preslijs Elvis Presley Dzimijs Hendrikss [little v over z] Jimi Hendrix Pols Makartnijs Paul McCartney Mailss Deiviss Miles Davis Dzeinisa Dzoplina [little v over z each time

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-07 Thread Taco Walstra
On Friday 07 November 2003 04:32, Marcus Merrin wrote: > A one-time colleague of mine who held the degree of Doctorandus from > Leiden University used to delight in the fact that the University still > sent him letters using the salutation "Weleidelgeleerdeheer" which I > suppose translates as "We

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-06 Thread Marcus Merrin
A one-time colleague of mine who held the degree of Doctorandus from Leiden University used to delight in the fact that the University still sent him letters using the salutation "Weleidelgeleerdeheer" which I suppose translates as "Well-and-truly learned Sir". Maybe he was just pulling my wel

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-06 Thread Stewart McCoy
IL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript > Stew, > > A quick review gives m

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-06 Thread Jon Murphy
Stew, A quick review gives me most of them, but of course you have set some easy ones by using the full names. I'll look tomorrow night when sober and having more time. I have been busy tonight finishing the "lute", and that involves a bit of indulgence in the sauce. So I'll just say grau mo 'chr

Re: Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-05 Thread corun
Stewart wrote: > > > Modifying spellings to fit the sound is standard practice in > Latvian. Your comment has prompted me to offer a little diversion > for everyone, which I hope you will enjoy. [BIG SNIP] That was very cool. I got most of them. But I have one question. Just how do you spell i

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-05 Thread Stewart McCoy
: "Lute List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript > As to the American spelling of Habsburg, we have the tendency to modify > foreign spellings to fit the perceived sound. > > Best, Jon

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-05 Thread Thomas Schall
Calling a fellow student "Sie" or even "Candidatus" (if shortly before the exams - you still get a letter from the university which gives you the official title "candidatus" after you pass certain exams) would be regarded as *very* old-fashioned now. The elder ones still use the titles of the husb

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Jon Murphy
Gernot, Rites are manners within a culture. And universal manners should involve learning the rites of one's host and observing them (although I'm not sure I'd go along with that if my host were a cannibal - there are limits). My late father was a life long physicist at Bell Labs (and claims the

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Gernot Hilger
Sorry for being imprecise. This all applies to older persons. No, of course not. But the elderly neighbours still would. And the butcher, for example. Probably not in the big cities. g > Would you? If you call her "Frau Doktor" most people would probably > think you > are left over from the 19t

Re: Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Rainer aus dem Spring
Gernot Hilger wrote: > Hi all, > isn't it fascinating how people tend to develop rites and call'em > manners. Her in Germany, you would still be called Frau Dr. if your > husband was a doctor. Would you? If you call her "Frau Doktor" most people would probably think you are left over from the

Titles (Was Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Gernot Hilger
Hi all, isn't it fascinating how people tend to develop rites and call'em manners. Her in Germany, you would still be called Frau Dr. if your husband was a doctor. Men were important those days, sigh. My grandma even signed her letters with Frau Ewald Arndt, which was the name of her late husba

Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Manolo Laguillo
Arthur Ness wrote: Someone told me that the title, Frau Dr., was the way one addressed an elderly woman who had accomplished much in life. Frau Dr. is also used in Germany when the husband has the Dr. title. I have even heard "Frau Prof. Dr." when the husband is also "ordentlicher Professor".

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-04 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
Mathias, I was going to post this to the group, but I've posted too much already. Thought you'd be interesed, though. Arthur. Mathias wrote<><><><><><>-- Best wishes, Likewise, Arthur. <><>Mathias

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
> Arthur is right. > See Kosack's dissertation page 54- and page 91. > Rainer adS I don't disagree. I remember an inventory that had some items from JAFWeiss as well as Reichardt, but obviously I mistook it for Kossack's. RT> > Arthur Ness (boston) wrote: >> I have a copy of Kosack and will take a

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-03 Thread Jon Murphy
Mat, Americans are traditionally informal with people they respect, there is no personal or formal distinction in English anymore that equates to the German "Du" or the French "Tu". There was once, the "Thee and Thou", but that went by the boards years ago. Yet we have a convention (more breached

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-02 Thread "Mathias Rösel"
"Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Multiple titles are not used in the US, but Herr Professor Doctor xxx might > yet be used in Germany (Mat, help me here). first time I've been called Mat. I like it, though :) Titles are of some importance in Austria. There, it is a matter of politeness

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-02 Thread Jon Murphy
th it. Shortened first names, or > nicknames seem preferrable. > > Best Wishes all > > Ron (UK) > > -Original Message- > From: Arthur Ness (boston) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 November 2003 10:48 > To: Roman Turovsky > Cc: LUTE NET > Subject: Re:

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-01 Thread Jon Murphy
Entirely a matter of the way the address is meant, but on email that is often missed in context. > > Actually I just couldn't remember whether Mr. (Dr.?) McCoy's name was > > Stuart or Stewart. And to use Mr. or Dr. smacks of impertinence on these > > lists. My lady of many years (French in birt

FW: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Fletcher
e UK. Only close buddies can get away with it. Shortened first names, or nicknames seem preferrable. Best Wishes all Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Arthur Ness (boston) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2003 10:48 To: Roman Turovsky Cc: LUTE NET Subject:

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
>>> Continued. >> >> Dear McCoy, >> > > > He's Stewart. Stewart McCoy! > This has never been doubted. > RT > == > Dear Roman, > I meant no disrespect. Mr.(?) Ms.(?) S.Walsh doesn't understand that using > a person's last name is a form of affectionate address over here

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-01 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
>> Continued. >> >> Dear McCoy, >> > > > He's Stewart. Stewart McCoy! This has never been doubted. RT == Dear Roman, I meant no disrespect. Mr.(?) Ms.(?) S.Walsh doesn't understand that using a person's last name is a form of affectionate address over here. Ch

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
>> Continued. >> >> Dear McCoy, >> > > > He's Stewart. Stewart McCoy! This has never been doubted. RT

Re: Who stole the K'berg MS? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
> I'll continuie in the next message with an account of how the Koenigsberg > Manuscript really found its way to Vilnius. Sorry, McCoy. No KGB. No > CIA. No FBI. No Agent 007. Just a team of Lithuanian patriots. Sigitas > Silinskas's pals. > AJN Actually KGB has a h

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread S. Walsh
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:35:43 -0500, Arthur Ness (boston) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Continued. > > Dear McCoy, > He's Stewart. Stewart McCoy!

Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
Continued. Dear McCoy, As for the lute manuscript itslef, during the chaos of World War_II a team of Lithuanian nationalists broke into the Prussian State Archives in Koenigsberg. They wanted to "repatriate" a national treasure, an old manuscript containing an ancient Lithuanian epic poem. In

Who stole the K'berg MS? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
be treated in such a way. And Ward and I were equally embarrassed because we had not thanked him in our acknowledgements. Without Paul's discovery the Koenigsberg Manuscript would still be gathering dust in some unknown library. I'll continuie in the next message with an account of how

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-30 Thread Howard Posner
Tim Crawford wrote: > TOTAL NONSENSE, Matanya. Reminds me of the comedian David Steinberg some decades ago, hailing the inclusion of "bullshit" in a new Webster's dictionary. He said the dictionary defined it as "nonsense," prompting him to comment: "Webster's did it: found the one guy who does

The Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-30 Thread Matanya Ophee
For some reason, I am not getting mail from the list anymore, not even my own postings. This was posted on the http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01137.html By Stewart McCoy. >Dear Matanya, >I would very much like to know more about the other lute manuscript. So would I. Accor

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Matanya, I would very much like to know more about the other lute manuscript. > During this visit, he told Arthur > the same story he has been telling me, as well as Colin Cooper, the editor > of Classical Guitar magazine, that the manuscript was taken from > Koenigsberg to Vilnius by the KG

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-29 Thread Arto Wikla
This crazy fight of the really great guys, Arthur, Matanya (and Tim) is really, really, ..., well, it is just crazy! Why do those great, wise, and valuable guys really want to publish in the very, VERY wide audience of the Net their personal "love and hate" -relations? I do not understand that.

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-29 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 01:00 PM 10/29/2003 +, Tim Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > AJN>>>Ophee takes away the discovery of the K'berg manuscript from Paul > > O'Dette, > > > >Paul made a considerable contribution to the recognition of the MS for >what it was. That may be so, but as the publisher of the

Gerusalemme Liberata, was: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-29 Thread Roman Turovsky
Now that the all the "i" have been finally dotted, and gentlemanship actually won: I have commemorated the occasion with a new "S" composition, a "Tempo di Giga" in c-minor, to be found at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-1.html . On an semi-unrelated subject: I have expanded the discussion of what

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-29 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 01:00 PM 10/29/2003 +, Tim Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MOpheeCareful. The concordances were _mainly_ compiled by Tim Crawford, > > not by you. > > > >TOTAL NONSENSE, Matanya. Please check your facts before making a stupid >assertion of this kind. My contribution was almost t

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-29 Thread Tim Crawford
ONSENSE, Matanya. Please check your facts before making a stupid assertion of this kind. My contribution was almost totally negligible, as Arthur states. > <<>> > ===AJN Responds==== > > AJN>>>Tim Crawford made NO contribut

Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-28 Thread Matanya Ophee
> >AJN>>>Tim Crawford made NO contributions of concordances for the >Koenigsberg Manuscript > >AJN>>>TIM CRAWFORD CONTRIBUTED NOT ONE CONCORDANCE WHATSOEVER. That's not what _you_ told at the time this book was in preparation. Either you changed your mind

Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-28 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
t;for the K'berg Manuscript MOphee>>>>Careful. The concordances were _mainly_ compiled by Tim Crawford, not by you. <<>> ===AJN Responds AJN>>>Tim Crawford made NO contributions of concordances for the Koenigsberg M

Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-28 Thread Matanya Ophee
ibrary in Vilnius, and sent her a photocopy of the first page. It was her student Tim Crawford who identified that photocopy as the first page of the Koenigsberg manuscript. She wrote to John Ward with these news. I have a copy of her letter. No one knew where was the Academic Library in Viln