Thanks to everyone for the advice on playing a modern classical guitar
thumb-under without nails.
Today I moved the strings over by one and used a thinner 1st string
(.020 , 0.51mm), resulting in a tension of about 4 kg / string.
To my surprise the tone did not suffer (except for the g string
Correct--O'--Mundo, Oakland University it was. You sound like someone who
was there.
Vance Wood.
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From: C Etter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:25 PM
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on 12/28/04 1:39 PM, Vance
Vance,
I'm with you, I just mentioned the banjo finger picks as I know of them
(tried 'em, hate 'em). But I wonder at what you say of the lute - I thought
(from previous messages when I first joined the list) that lute players not
only didn't use fingernails but also wanted soft flesh on their
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Vance,
I'm with you, I just mentioned the banjo finger picks as I know of them
(tried 'em, hate 'em). But I wonder at what you say of the lute - I thought
(from previous messages when I first joined the list) that lute players not
only didn't use
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Dear Jon,
I think the word 'loo' is a corruption of 'l'eau' from the expression
'gardez l'eau' as the contents of the chamber-pot were thrown into the
street!
Happy New Year
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From: Charles Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:02 AM
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Dear Jon,
I think the word 'loo' is a corruption of 'l'eau
Dear Jon,
I think the word 'loo' is a corruption of 'l'eau' from the expression
'gardez l'eau' as the contents of the chamber-pot were thrown into the
street!
Happy New Year!
Charles
Charles,
you don't have to resort to British evasion of statement (I think), as
what you said is quite
.
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How about false nails? I tried them once or twice and they work
I guess my point is that I have a nice instrument that doesn't get any
playing time, but if I could find a quick and easy way install fingernails,
or found a set of strings more suitable for playing without nails, I might
pick it up more often.
How about false nails? I tried them
skills develop they are no longer entirely within the realm
of consciously directed activity. I guess some people would argue
..
experience in music. So I too, would like to understand
a lot more about how all of this works.
What helped me a lot to experience the relationship between
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Stephan, et al.,
The end joint is usually bent slightly inward - into the stroke - which
gives strength, but at the same time makes it easier to do a good free
stroke.
-Carl
--On Friday, December 17, 2004 6:36 PM +0100 Stephan Olbertz
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Dear Carl,
this is
that's how it works! I will go
back and read Ronn's notes again
Thanks best wishes,
Denys
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From: James A Stimson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:04 PM
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Dear Denys
Dear Carl,
thank you for your answer. Initially I didn't understand what you meant by
grabbing in your earlier post. Yesterday I thought I had the answer because I
experimented a bit with my lute and tried out what I wanted to describe in
answer to Dennis' post. Suddenly I realized that one
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Dear Stephan All,
I am intrigued to read from time to time accounts of applying
varying degrees of control to the top joints of right hand fingers.
My own experience is that I have no independent volition at all over
whether my finger tips
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Oh yes, thank you! Apparently he leaves the end joint fixed,
that is to say: it's not bent passively in the opposite
direction of the stroke.
Regards,
Stephan
Dear Eric,
(I'm sending this to the list as you probably intended)
thank you for your remarks. Unlike you I up to now tried to
have the same technically idea for both thumb in and out, a
flexible endjoint. I'm a full-time guitar teacher and while my
renaissance lute technique works
At 08:24 PM 12/16/2004, Carl Donsbach wrote:
After a time I also found a source for gut guitar strings. I found that
their rougher texture made it much easier to control the attack.
Aquila is now assembling gut sets for 6-string guitar: their Gut Silk
set has gut trebles and wound silk
I think highly of Aquila strings, gut and nylgut, but haven't tried them on
my guitar yet. Maybe I'll get around to it next year.
-Carl
--On Friday, December 17, 2004 11:07 AM -0500 Eugene C. Braig IV
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At 08:24 PM 12/16/2004, Carl Donsbach wrote:
After a time I also
At 03:10 AM 12/15/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is nothing new. The domination of nails in guitar technique is
relatively
recent and was still debated well after 6-string guitars became the standard.
Fernando Sor himself advocated nail-less technique.
Right... Sor advocated a no nails
I played CG for years without nails. My solution to the volume problem
came about during my study with Hector Garcia, one of Pujol's students.
The manner of attacking the string is less of a glossing over or plucking
the string, as with the nail or a plectrum, and more of a downward plunging
case. I wonder what solutions have been invented to play the guitar
without maintaining fingernails:
Play without nails, basically. A great proportion of 19c guitarists did, all
of my students do, I do. Gut strings, nylon strings, carbon strings, nylgut
strings, high
tension, low tension, 19c
Additionally, it helps to keep the last finger joint flexible,
at least with low and normal tension strings. According to
Pujoll, who played without nails too, the index should stand
upright on the string. For comparison: Segovia's technique
(nails) would be to play over the left side of the
: Instrument Sounding
James,
I have a Takamine Hirade Arte Ten Concert Model made in 1989. With nails
it
sounded great, lots of volume and projection. Without nails thumb under
it
doesn't sound bad, but it's rather dull and quiet by comparison. Getting
volume and tone seems to take a lot
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In a message dated 12/14/2004 6:38:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bet a lot of lute-netters have a classical guitar laying around in its
case. I wonder what solutions have been invented to play the guitar
without maintaining
It may be question of personal way of feeling things, but in my case,
when i play the guitar with (double) high tension, thicker than the lute
strings,
to overcome dull muffled sound i pass really quickly and swiftly across the
string at hand. The only thing to be avoided for such playing is
James,
I have a Takamine Hirade Arte Ten Concert Model made in 1989. With nails it
sounded great, lots of volume and projection. Without nails thumb under it
doesn't sound bad, but it's rather dull and quiet by comparison. Getting
volume and tone seems to take a lot of effort. I
side of the finger. BTW, I have enjoyed the appoyando stroke
much more since cutting my nails, with nails I regard it as
rather useless...
Fun, I have the opposite experience.
David
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James,
That's very interesting. If you have any insight into how your student
achieves such a sound I'm all ears.
Before obtaining a lute I played classical guitar thumb-under without
nails (about 8 years). While it was better than nothing, I found that it
took a great deal of effort to get
Hi Eugene,
That's very true but most if not all of those guitarists used thumb-out
technique. I'm trying to stick with thumb-under.
-- David
EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote:
This is nothing new. The domination of nails in guitar technique is relatively
recent and was still debated well
This is nothing new. The domination of nails in guitar technique is relatively
recent and was still debated well after 6-string guitars became the standard.
Fernando Sor himself advocated nail-less technique.
Best,
Eugene
In a message dated 12/14/2004 6:38:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
In a message dated 12/14/2004 6:38:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bet a lot of lute-netters have a classical guitar laying around in its
case. I wonder what solutions have been invented to play the guitar
without maintaining fingernails:
Hi David,
I have a guitar
Thanks for sharing - very interesting sound - are you using fingernails?
I'd like to convert my old Aria classical guitar to a wide-necked
12-string. It would be cool to have a kit with some simple
instructions: saw off the tuning box, glue on the supplied pegbox, ...
- voila!
I bet a lot of
In a message dated 12/14/2004 6:38:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bet a lot of lute-netters have a classical guitar laying around in its
case. I wonder what solutions have been invented to play the guitar
without maintaining fingernails:
Hi David,
I have a
In a message dated 12/14/2004 7:34:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's very interesting. If you have any insight into how your student
achieves such a sound I'm all ears.
Before obtaining a lute I played classical guitar thumb-under without
nails (about 8 years).
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