[LUTE] Re: OT: Help with an email address

2007-07-22 Thread Jose Usoz
I'm having trouble with an email address that I was given for a young lady who is going to be an English assistant at the school I teach at in France. As far as I can tell, it is an American address, and it is the host that is being rejected. As quite a few members of the list are on

[LUTE] Re: Ave Maria by Tromboncino

2007-07-22 Thread vance wood
I could be really wrong, but not so far as to not be plausible; the Lute player my have put together his/her own part. Not only is this possible it is historical. Vance Wood - Original Message - From: Alfonso Marin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday,

[LUTE] Re: Ave Maria by Tromboncino

2007-07-22 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear Vance, That could well be a possibility but the other version of the piece I have on CD with R. Meunier is identical to the one by Accordone so there must be a historical source for this song. Greetings, Alfonso On 22-jul-2007, at 18:26, vance wood wrote: I could be really wrong,

[LUTE] Re: Ave Maria by Tromboncino

2007-07-22 Thread Alfonso Marin
It could well be that those recorded versions were taken and intabulated from a vocal polyphonic setting by Tromboncino. I have looked in Jeppesen's book for concordances but I can not find the piece. Do any of you know of any polyphonic version of it? Thanks again, Alfonso -- To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread Guy Smith
Try Frederico Marincola's web site. Lutebot #1 has a translation of at least part of the Capirola text. http://www.marincola.com/ Guy -Original Message- From: Orphenica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:12 AM To: Bernd Haegemann Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Ave Maria by Tromboncino

2007-07-22 Thread vance wood
Historical back to when? I too hope you find an ancient source but it is possible that the Lute part was concocted sometime in the last century and the Lute part has come down attached to this piece. Obviously you prefer this version to the one you have found in the manuscript, others may

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread David Tayler
Capirola uses his own system of ornamentation fingering, and there is even a system for dividing the the paired courses and playing some extra impossible notes. If you look at the color facsimile, you will see some of these in red. For this reason, the trills are often left out or

[LUTE] Re: Ave Maria by Tromboncino

2007-07-22 Thread David Tayler
Without going to the library, because it is Sunday I am lazy, I would try the Tromboncino editions, starting with Petrucci and work my way down. The best place to find things is still Howard Brown's concordance...just check the index in the back. The art of adding the missing third part to

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread Martin Shepherd
Well spotted! This occurs in the first piece in the book too - and it has puzzled me for a while. My preliminary conclusion is that it indicates use of the thumb, especially when you would normally expect to use another finger. For instance, in bar 8 of the first piece: 3

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread David Tayler
DT writes A new examination of treatises up through Vivaldi shows that the main note trill was in continuous use through the renaissance and baroque. I think the tracing of the trill through the renaissance into the high baroque is one of the main interpretive differences in modern performance

[LUTE] E-mail request

2007-07-22 Thread Guy Smith
Does someone have David Schoengolds e-mail. I've managed to lose it. Thanks, Guy To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread David Rastall
On Jul 22, 2007, at 8:35 PM, David Tayler wrote: It used to be unheard of to use the main note trill in later baroque music, but now it is relatively common; the next step is the use of the above note trill in early baroque music as well as in renaissance music, shaping resolving the trill

[LUTE] Re: Capirola question

2007-07-22 Thread David Tayler
Mr Rastall makes an excellent point. At 08:31 PM 7/22/2007, you wrote: On Jul 22, 2007, at 8:35 PM, David Tayler wrote: It used to be unheard of to use the main note trill in later baroque music, but now it is relatively common; the next step is the use of the above note trill in early