[LUTE] Re: a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Gregory Doc Rossi
The guy who does my website is into some software called WordPress. I suppose we could call it blogging software, or interactive web software. It means people can post and comment on the posts. We're using this on the Cittern Cafe site, and except for the fact that the cittern crowd isn't

[LUTE] Re: a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Omer katzir
I don't have any problem with this list. or any list... I don't have any antispam/antivirus softwares on my computer. On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rob wrote: There are many problems related to these lists and rejected emails. I received an email from Wayne yesterday saying I was top of the list

[LUTE] Re: a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Rob
There are many problems related to these lists and rejected emails. I received an email from Wayne yesterday saying I was top of the list of people rejecting my emails - over half of the list members don't see my mails. That might be their choice of course! They might have blocked me deliberately.

[LUTE] Arpeggios, anyone?

2008-01-31 Thread George Bryan
Arpeggio = "in the style of a harp". We harpists do it more or less automatically. Some chords, especially longer notes at the end of a phrase, cry to be arpeggiated. Others are more appropriately played "flat". When piddling with my new-to-me theorbo I generally try to play in a style sim

[LUTE] a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Strange, I'm not receiving messages I am sending to the Liste - Am I doing something wrog? Jurek To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread LGS-Europe
Lost in cybervoid. So her once more: I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical arguments against it. It would work in d too, I'm sure. David I understand you, David, very well

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Jarosław Lipski
"On Frescobaldi's advice, are we sure it is to be applied broadly and not just to the openings of his toccatas?" Breaking, or spreading chords was developed on instruments which don't have enough sustain by nature like harpsichord, lute etc for the sake of enriching the texture and increas

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread jslute
Dear All: My favorite advice on the subject of playing in time comes from Pablo Casals: "Fantasy as much as you like, but with order." I interpret that as putting as much expression into the piece as you see fit, but keep playing in time. Occasionally when playing to a metronome I experiment by

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread LGS-Europe
I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical arguments against it. It would work in d too, I'm sure. David I understand you, David, very well, I've also got older living for years

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:42, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: A small price to pay for being able to play a three-note chord over middle C in first position? That's the point and the most promising bit. However the price seems to me not small, indeed, and therefore my quest for someone maybe expe

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 31, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: > But that are "separe" signs! > They don't mean rolling the chord. If there are three notes written vertically I guess you could call that a chord. What about that squiggly line drawn beside a chord to indicate rolling it? Surely that mus

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
>> A small price to pay for being able to play a three-note chord over >> middle C in first position? > > That's the point and the most promising bit. However the price seems to me > not small, indeed, and therefore my quest for someone maybe experienced. Play an archlute! ;-) Are To get on

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:15, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i saw one. I was thinking of the French ornamentation markings: offhand the only one I can think of without searching through the music is a slanted line separating vertical

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Howard, On 2008-01-31, at 18:59, howard posner wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I'm not sure what the "it" in your question is. Martyn Hodgson in his recent reply stated quite catego

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i saw one. I was thinking of the French ornamentation markings: offhand the only one I can think of without searching through the music is a slanted line separating vertical tab letters, meaning to play them separated. But t

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:49 PM, wolfgang wiehe wrote: > Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i > saw one. I was thinking of the French ornamentation markings: offhand the only one I can think of without searching through the music is a slanted line separating ver

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: > I'm interested how one manages with the bass notes below the _d_ on > the 6th course of the instrument tuned in 'd'. This is more or less > one third of the statistical bass notes in an everage part to play > (depending of course on period and

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: > Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if > it's so obvoius? I'm not sure what the "it" in your question is. When Ensemble Chanterelle consisted of Sally Sanford, Cathy Liddell and Kevin Mason, their basic setup was vo

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 18:20, LGS-Europe wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical argum

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread wolfgang wiehe
" In fact, there are markings in the tablature that we take as standard indications that call for separation of vertically-arranged notes." Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i saw one. wolfgang -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: David Rastall [mailto:[EMA

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Actually Bream is not "old fashioned". This is rather modern attitude - a need for steady rhythm and sharp accents. In baroque period breaking chords was absolutely common practice and thought of as embellishment. G.Frescobaldi, Toccate 1615 : "The openings of the toccatas are to be taken adagio a

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread LGS-Europe
Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical arguments against it. It would work in d too, I'm s

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
Martyn Hodgson wrote: I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and generally really can't be bothered to continually repeat myself. Let me see if I can summarize then: There is no historical information con

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? Jurek ___ On 2008-01-31, at 17:25, LGS-Europe wrote: I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and genera

[LUTE] Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Andrew, My view is that an occasional spread chord is a useful device, and should certainly be in one's expressive armoury. However, spreading chords feels good to a player, and there is a danger that it is overdone. It is actually easier to play a spread chord than to play all the notes t

[LUTE] Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Stewart McCoy
- Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Stewart McCoy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Lute Net'" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?) From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread LGS-Europe
I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and generally really can't be bothered to continually repeat myself. However, in case you personally missed it, I'll do it one more time: EITHER nominal A or G tu

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote: > ..but do you think the occasional (and tasteful) spreading of chords > is a bad or non-HIP thing? No, not really. As long as it's not done to excess. Rolling too many chords in a piece tends to muddy up the counterpoint and blur the rhythm.

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Joseph Mayes
Collected wisdom I, for one, am grateful for the information on theorbo tuning and sizes. I hope the discussion does not get too prickly to continue - Please, swallow your rancor. Joseph Mayes On 1/31/08 8:36 AM, "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've already very clearly

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and generally really can't be bothered to continually repeat myself. However, in case you personally missed it, I'll do it one more time: EITHER nominal A or

[LUTE] Re: theorbo size

2008-01-31 Thread chriswilke
Nigel, I wonder about this too based on my own experiences with big and small theorbos. As I stated on a earlier post on a related subject, its probable that Pittoni and Melli (Melli, definately, Pittoni is a little less definative) wrote for an instrument with an octave second course. This

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm only pulling your leg, Stewart, obviously, but I do have a serious point to make regarding time keeping and respecting composers' wishes. Well, in that case we should level the same charges against Hoppy Smith, who both keeps "country time" and alters the per

[LUTE] theorbo size

2008-01-31 Thread Nigel Solomon
Just out of interest, what size chitaronne do you think Piccinini was playing when he wrote his pieces? I used to have a 92cm chitaronne and I can tell you not many of those pieces are playable on a monster like that. The theorbo I have now measures 85 cm and even then a lot of the pieces are o

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Andrew Gibbs
I like these quotes. ..but do you think the occasional (and tasteful) spreading of chords is a bad or non-HIP thing? Andrew On 30 Jan 2008, at 17:17, Stewart McCoy wrote: > In the last few years, Julian Bream has given master classes at > Lute Society > meetings in London. He stressed two

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Rob
And the Victor Meldrew Award for Music Criticism goes to Stewart McCoy! For those who have never heard of Victor, the archetypal grumpy old man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Meldrew I'm only pulling your leg, Stewart, obviously, but I do have a serious point to make regarding time keeping

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread LGS-Europe
To the benefit of those not interested in a peeing contest but in theories on theorbo stringing, as I am, and not in the happy possesion of a list of historical theorbos stating string length and setup, here's what the guys are talking about (info taken from one of the Pohlmanns lying around her

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
You can easily work it out yourself from what I've told you David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, I'm asking, how would you, specifically, tune the theorbos I just mentioned? Atton, Ecco, Hoess, Kaiser, Aman, Koch, Langenwalder, Attore, Mascotto, Stehelin, Greiff, Tieffenbrucker dt At 1