[LUTE] Re: Physical Exercises for left hand.

2017-11-12 Thread David 
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Hi all -

This is my first time posting in one of these threads, but I wanted to add a 
couple thoughts to the discussion.

Permit me to give a little of my non-lute background: I am a doctor of Chinese 
medicine (acupuncture and herbal medicine, as well as massage/Qi Gong/tai ji, 
etc.), and am located in Bloomington, IN, where I treat not infrequently both 
students and faculty of the Jacobs School of Music here at Indiana University 
for "overuse" injuries.

Two thoughts in particular come to mind. The first is that we do have small 
muscles between the bones of the hand to pull the fingers together (like for a 
military salute), and these may be complaining due to overuse. However, the 
biggest challenge to regaining facility on the lute is that the ligaments 
between the fingers will have to stretch. Tensions and ligaments don't have 
their own blood supply, and make changes (including healing) very, VERY 
gradually. To rush this process is to court long-term problems. (And as much as 
we like to think we are learning a great deal about techniques and strategies 
from 400 years ago, we can't know how many gifted lutenists of several 
centuries back either had to give up their instruments or play in significant 
pain due to overuse injuries.)

The second thing is that almost all our activity in this age is limited to very 
small ranges of motion: driving a car, typing on the computer, etc. We were 
designed to throw spears, jump rivers, and climb trees. Our miniscule 
movements, without any broader movements, stress our fine-motor structures, and 
cause injury. It is only a slight oversimplification to say that our primary 
need in being able to play lute without pain is to exercise our whole bodies in 
such a way as to strengthen our cores, then to pay attention to the signals our 
bodies send to us.

Tai ji, Qi Gong, and yoga are all great strategies for building that core 
strength and range of motion. As for your hand(s), go gently, and apply a good 
linement and combine rest with moderate massage to address achy ligaments.

⁣all the best,

David

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Hi all -
This is my first time posting in one of these threads, but I 
wanted to add a couple thoughts to the discussion.
Permit me to give a little of my non-lute background: I am a 
doctor of Chinese medicine (acupuncture and herbal medicine, as well as 
massage/Qi Gong/tai ji, etc.), and am located in Bloomington, IN, where I treat 
not infrequently both students and faculty of the Jacobs School of Music here 
at Indiana University for "overuse" injuries.
Two thoughts in particular come to mind. The first is that we 
do have small muscles between the bones of the hand to pull the fingers 
together (like for a military salute), and these may be complaining due to 
overuse. However, the biggest challenge to regaining facility on the lute is 
that the ligaments between the fingers will have to stretch. Tensions and 
ligaments don't have their own blood supply, and make changes (including 
healing) very, VERY gradually. To rush this process is to court long-term 
problems. (And as much as we like to think we are learning a great deal about 
techniques and strategies from 400 years ago, we can't know how many gifted 
lutenists of several centuries back either had to give up their instruments or 
play in significant pain due to overuse injuries.)
The second thing is that almost all our activity in this age is 
limited to very small ranges of motion: driving a car, typing on the computer, 
etc. We were designed to throw spears, jump rivers, and climb trees. Our 
miniscule movements, without any broader movements, stress our fine-motor 
structures, and cause injury. It is only a slight oversimplification to say 
that our primary need in being able to play lute without pain is to exercise 
our whole bodies in such a way as to strengthen our cores, then to pay 
attention to the signals our bodies send to us. 
Tai ji, Qi Gong, and yoga are all great strategies for building 
that core strength and range of motion. As for your hand(s), go gently, and 
apply a good linement and combine rest with moderate massage to address achy 
ligaments.
all the best,
David


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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Tristan von Neumann 


Am 11.11.2017 um 18:51 schrieb Alain Veylit:
 Anyone with a good ending for: A lute walks into a bar

...?


How about those:

A lute walks into a bar: "I'll have a large beer please. No mug, I have 
a bowl."


A lute walks into a bar. The barkeeper: "Why all those frets?"

A lute walks into a bar. The barkeeper: "You have the guts to show your 
face in here?"


A lute walks into a bar. "Can I have a beer?" - "No way, you already 
have a loose nut."


I apologize if they're not good, I'm German. :)

Cheers,
T*






On 11/10/2017 04:35 PM, howard posner wrote:
On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Alain Veylit  
wrote:


PS: bad French joke: Beethoven was so deaf that all his life he 
thought he was a painter...

Is this a pun in French?



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[LUTE] Re: Bad Beethoven hearing

2017-11-12 Thread howard posner 

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 11:03 AM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
> Of course, there is that other widely held theory that Beethoven suffered 
> from syphilus, which in it’s tertiary stage can cause all sorts of 
> neurological and physical degeneration. Beethoven, like Schubert, frequently 
> visited prostitutes,

The Beethoven-prostitute angle is another pseudobiographical tidbit for which 
there is no actual evidence, much as it gets bandied about by authors who add 
two and two and get six.  A rather more interesting theory is that Beethoven 
suffered from congenital syphilis, acquired from his father.  There’s no real 
evidence to support this either (other than B’s symptoms appearing in his 
twenties, which is typical of congenital syphilis), but nobody has any problem 
believing anything bad about B’s dad.

Here’s a succinct refutation of the syphilis theory from Francois Mai:

"Beethoven did NOT die of syphilis. People who die of syphilis have changes in 
their heart, arteries and brain. At Beethoven's autopsy these organs were 
normal. There were major changes in his liver, spleen and kidneys consistent 
with cirrhosis, likely alcoholic in origin. See my book "Diagnosing Genius: The 
Life and Death of Beethoven" McGill-Queens UP 2007"

> which put them at high risk for contracting this infection. Schubert’s was 
> diagnosed and treated with mercury, but he died shortly after being one of 
> Beethoven’s pallbearers.

Yes, it was a very heavy casket.



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[LUTE] Re: Bad Beethoven hearing

2017-11-12 Thread John Mardinly 
Of course, there is that other widely held theory that Beethoven suffered from 
syphilus, which in it’s tertiary stage can cause all sorts of neurological and 
physical degeneration. Beethoven, like Schubert, frequently visited 
prostitutes, which put them at high risk for contracting this infection. 
Schubert’s was diagnosed and treated with mercury, but he died shortly after 
being one of Beethoven’s pallbearers.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya



> On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:35 PM, howard posner  wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, John Mardinly  wrote:
>> 
>> Beethoven’s deafness was caused by “inner ear” problems, sometimes called 
>> labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical problems, such as 
>> damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner ear. As such, it is 
>> unlikely that the bone conduction would have been any use to him. 
> 
> To be fair, there’s no way of knowing exactly what caused his deafness.  
> Otosclerosis, an ossification of the inner ear parts, is sometimes cited.  I 
> imagine bone conduction wouldn’t help that either.
> 
> He also had cranial nerves that were compressed by thick skull bones, a 
> finding consistent with Paget’s disease, which can cause deafness.
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread howard posner 

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Christopher Wilke  
> wrote:
> 
> Just curious - How do we know the exact cause of Beethoven's deafness
>   today?

We don't

> I assume doctors of the time didn't possess enough knowledge of
>   the causes of deafness to make a diagnosis.

Nobody did, but there is some raw data in the form of observations by the 
doctor who did an autopsy (this is from the web, and I don’t know who 
translated it into English):

"The external ear was large and irregularly formed, the scaphold fossa but more 
especially the concha was very spacious and half as large again as usual…the 
external auditory canal was covered with shining scales… The Eustachian tube 
was much thickened, its mucous lining swollen and somewhat contratced about the 
osseous portion of the tube… The facial nerves were of unusual thickness, the 
auditory nerves, on the contrary, were shiveled and destitute… The convolutions 
of the brain were full of water and remarkably white; they appeared very much 
deeper, wider and more numerous than ordinary."



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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Markus Lutz 
In the film they also inform about the most recent diagnosis of 
Beethoven's illness, that is drawn from the contemporary autopsie of 
Beethoven's ear (after minute 58, around 62 you find a table with the 
diagnosis).
After Wolfram Klingler: (as already written by A. John Mardinly) an 
"chronical inner ear deafness with permanent ringing in the ears", most 
probable a "cochlear otosclerosis".


Best regards
Markus

Am 12.11.2017 um 14:41 schrieb Christopher Wilke:

Just curious - How do we know the exact cause of Beethoven's deafness
today? I assume doctors of the time didn't possess enough knowledge of
the causes of deafness to make a diagnosis.

Chris
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017, 7:01 PM, John Mardinly
 wrote:

Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems, sometimes
called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner
ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have been
any use to him.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 5:27 PM, howard posner
<[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

>

>

>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:50 AM, G. C. <[3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>  According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was
the

>>  inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,

>>  discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite
down on

>>  it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations
in

>>  his jaw bone.

>

> Take this with a grain of salt, especially when you see things like
this one on the Time Magazine website:

>

> Interest in Beethoven's hearing loss has long captivated his fans,

> many of whom are fascinated by the tragic circumstances of a deaf

> composer and the ways Beethoven managed to keep working even

> after he completely lost his hearing by the time he was 45. As TIME

> once described it, "by clenching a stick in his teeth, holding it
against

> the keyboard of his piano, he could discern faint sounds."

>

> I've never seen any reference to any evidence for anything like
this.  Has anyone else?

>

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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Lex van Sante 
Oops! I didn’t read all previous posts. My bad!
> Op 12 nov. 2017, om 15:56 heeft Lex van Sante  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Thomas Mace was deaf in his later years. He pressed his front teeth against 
> the edge of the soundboard and thus was able to hear what he was playing. He 
> describes this in his Musicks’ Monument in 1676.
>> Op 12 nov. 2017, om 15:33 heeft G. C.  het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>> 
>>  Very interesting discourse about Beethoven's deafness, several more
>>  available (in german) on YT. Thanks for the link Markus. Although it
>>  doesn't specify the nature of the hearing aid connected to the piano
>>  which was used, I assume that all hasn't yet been said in this matter.
>>  G.
>> 
>>  On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I'm not sure that this is a myth.
>>  There is a youtube video in German by the medical society of Mainz
>>  about Beethoven's deafness and his relation to Johann Nepomuk Mälzel
>>  (the inventor of the metronome).
>>  Beethoven used his ear trumpets and Mälzel also constructed a
>>  mechanism that was set on the piano and transported the sound directly
>>  to the ear (around 46m).
>>  [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Lj8Qy2Ilk=2965s
>>  Best regards
>>  Markus
>>  Am 11.11.2017 um 23:31 schrieb G. C.:
>> 
>>A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
>>The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as
>>being
>>discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back
>>to
>>around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and
>>all-around
>>brilliant fella' by the name of Girolamo Cardano noticed that it
>>was
>>possible to hear through a rod or spear when placed between the
>>teeth.
>>He detailed his findings in his controversial publication De
>>Subtilitate, but the information hadn't really been applied to
>>anything, let alone to help the deaf or hearing-impaired, until
>>later.
>>G.
>>On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Mardinly
>><[1][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
>>Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems,
>>sometimes
>>called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
>>problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of
>>the inner
>>ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have
>>been
>>any use to him.
>>A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Lex van Sante 
Thomas Mace was deaf in his later years. He pressed his front teeth against the 
edge of the soundboard and thus was able to hear what he was playing. He 
describes this in his Musicks’ Monument in 1676.
> Op 12 nov. 2017, om 15:33 heeft G. C.  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
>   Very interesting discourse about Beethoven's deafness, several more
>   available (in german) on YT. Thanks for the link Markus. Although it
>   doesn't specify the nature of the hearing aid connected to the piano
>   which was used, I assume that all hasn't yet been said in this matter.
>   G.
> 
>   On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de>
>   wrote:
> 
>   I'm not sure that this is a myth.
>   There is a youtube video in German by the medical society of Mainz
>   about Beethoven's deafness and his relation to Johann Nepomuk Mälzel
>   (the inventor of the metronome).
>   Beethoven used his ear trumpets and Mälzel also constructed a
>   mechanism that was set on the piano and transported the sound directly
>   to the ear (around 46m).
>   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Lj8Qy2Ilk=2965s
>   Best regards
>   Markus
>   Am 11.11.2017 um 23:31 schrieb G. C.:
> 
> A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
> The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as
> being
> discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back
> to
> around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and
> all-around
> brilliant fella' by the name of Girolamo Cardano noticed that it
> was
> possible to hear through a rod or spear when placed between the
> teeth.
> He detailed his findings in his controversial publication De
> Subtilitate, but the information hadn't really been applied to
> anything, let alone to help the deaf or hearing-impaired, until
> later.
> G.
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Mardinly
> <[1][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems,
> sometimes
> called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
> problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of
> the inner
> ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have
> been
> any use to him.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread G. C. 
   Very interesting discourse about Beethoven's deafness, several more
   available (in german) on YT. Thanks for the link Markus. Although it
   doesn't specify the nature of the hearing aid connected to the piano
   which was used, I assume that all hasn't yet been said in this matter.
   G.

   On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de>
   wrote:

   I'm not sure that this is a myth.
   There is a youtube video in German by the medical society of Mainz
   about Beethoven's deafness and his relation to Johann Nepomuk Mälzel
   (the inventor of the metronome).
   Beethoven used his ear trumpets and Mälzel also constructed a
   mechanism that was set on the piano and transported the sound directly
   to the ear (around 46m).
   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Lj8Qy2Ilk=2965s
   Best regards
   Markus
   Am 11.11.2017 um 23:31 schrieb G. C.:

 A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
 The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as
 being
 discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back
 to
 around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and
 all-around
 brilliant fella' by the name of Girolamo Cardano noticed that it
 was
 possible to hear through a rod or spear when placed between the
 teeth.
 He detailed his findings in his controversial publication De
 Subtilitate, but the information hadn't really been applied to
 anything, let alone to help the deaf or hearing-impaired, until
 later.
 G.
 On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Mardinly
 <[1][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
 Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems,
 sometimes
 called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
 problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of
 the inner
 ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have
 been
 any use to him.
 A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Christopher Wilke 
   Just curious - How do we know the exact cause of Beethoven's deafness
   today? I assume doctors of the time didn't possess enough knowledge of
   the causes of deafness to make a diagnosis.

   Chris
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   On Saturday, November 11, 2017, 7:01 PM, John Mardinly
    wrote:

   Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems, sometimes
   called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
   problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner
   ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have been
   any use to him.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

   > On Nov 10, 2017, at 5:27 PM, howard posner
   <[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

   >

   >

   >> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:50 AM, G. C. <[3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

   >>

   >>  According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was
   the

   >>  inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,

   >>  discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite
   down on

   >>  it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations
   in

   >>  his jaw bone.

   >

   > Take this with a grain of salt, especially when you see things like
   this one on the Time Magazine website:

   >

   > Interest in Beethoven's hearing loss has long captivated his fans,

   > many of whom are fascinated by the tragic circumstances of a deaf

   > composer and the ways Beethoven managed to keep working even

   > after he completely lost his hearing by the time he was 45. As TIME

   > once described it, "by clenching a stick in his teeth, holding it
   against

   > the keyboard of his piano, he could discern faint sounds."

   >

   > I've never seen any reference to any evidence for anything like
   this.  Has anyone else?

   >

   >

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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread Markus Lutz 

I'm not sure that this is a myth.
There is a youtube video in German by the medical society of Mainz about 
Beethoven's deafness and his relation to Johann Nepomuk Mälzel (the 
inventor of the metronome).
Beethoven used his ear trumpets and Mälzel also constructed a mechanism 
that was set on the piano and transported the sound directly to the ear 
(around 46m).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Lj8Qy2Ilk=2965s

Best regards
Markus

Am 11.11.2017 um 23:31 schrieb G. C.:

A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as being
discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back to
around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and all-around
brilliant fella' by the name of Girolamo Cardano noticed that it was
possible to hear through a rod or spear when placed between the teeth.
He detailed his findings in his controversial publication De
Subtilitate, but the information hadn't really been applied to
anything, let alone to help the deaf or hearing-impaired, until later.
G.
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Mardinly
<[1]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems, sometimes
called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner
ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have been
any use to him.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread G. C. 
   A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
   The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as being
   discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back to
   around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and all-around
   brilliant fella' by the name of Girolamo Cardano noticed that it was
   possible to hear through a rod or spear when placed between the teeth.
   He detailed his findings in his controversial publication De
   Subtilitate, but the information hadn't really been applied to
   anything, let alone to help the deaf or hearing-impaired, until later.
   G.
   On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Mardinly
   <[1]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
   Beethoven's deafness was caused by "inner ear" problems, sometimes
   called labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical
   problems, such as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner
   ear. As such, it is unlikely that the bone conduction would have been
   any use to him.
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-12 Thread wayne lute 
John meant to say . . . 

Beethoven’s deafness was caused by “inner ear” problems, sometimes called 
labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical problems, such 
as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner ear. As such, it is 
unlikely that the bone conduction would have been any use to him. 

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.


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