[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Magnus Andersson]

   On a personal note,
   I don ´t think I ´d   have been able to see the Dresden mss of Weiss
   last year hadn ´t it been for
   a personal connection at the SLUB. It was so interesting to see letters
   in the tablature that have
   gone missing in the scanning process.
   I had the same luck when a friend of mine knew the staff at the library
   in Florence and
   I was able to study the lute mss in the Magliabechiana collections.
   What a treasure.
   And- I would also get the Herbert book if it were to be published. I
   find it much easier
   to get an overview of the actual ms when I have it as a book in front
   of me.
   Magnus

   On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Peter Danner
   <[1]peter...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

 Arthur's comment on the answer Bob Spencer got from the FWM
 librarian about the Cherbury manuscript reminds me of my own
 experience at the Fitzwilliam when my wife, daughter and I visited
 Cambridge in 1978. I had casually popped into the Fitzwilliam
 (around the corner from our hotel) one afternoon while the family
 was elsewhere. I may have gone in there simply to get out of the
 rain.
 I found the Cherbury to be on display as part of a special exhibit
 the museum was holding, and the director must have noticed me eying
 it keenly when he happened to pass through the room. He asked why it
 so drew my interest, and I must have given the right answers,
 because he drew a set of keys from his pocket and withdrew it for me
 to examine more closely at a nearby table. I was only asked to put
 on gloves. I probably did nothing more than look for variations in
 the handwriting. It was only a quick look, but a thrill none the
 same.
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Peter Danner]

Arthur’s comment on the answer Bob Spencer got from the FWM librarian about the 
Cherbury manuscript reminds me of my own experience at the Fitzwilliam when my 
wife, daughter and I visited Cambridge in 1978. I had casually popped into the 
Fitzwilliam (around the corner from our hotel) one afternoon while the family 
was elsewhere. I may have gone in there simply to get out of the rain.

I found the Cherbury to be on display as part of a special exhibit the museum 
was holding, and the director must have noticed me eying it keenly when he 
happened to pass through the room. He asked why it so drew my interest, and I 
must have given the right answers, because he drew a set of keys from his 
pocket and withdrew it for me to examine more closely at a nearby table. I was 
only asked to put on gloves. I probably did nothing more than look for 
variations in the handwriting. It was only a quick look, but a thrill none the 
same.



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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Leonard Williams]

   I had the honor (privelege?) of viewing and handling the Capirola
   Ms at the Newberry in Chicago.  No real special precautions. I had to
   fill out an application first, naming another responsible party.  I
   wasn't trying to play from it.

  It was awesome.
   Leonard Williams
   -Original Message-
   From: John Mardinly 
   To: Arthur Ness 
   Cc: spiffys84121 ; lute
   
   Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
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   Appalling about the Siena Lute Book.
   Gloves are cheap!
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   [cid:43213E1A-45A3-4C0C-B084-966A95C27ED9]
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya
   On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Arthur Ness
   <[1]arthurjn...@verizon.net<[2]mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net>> wrote:
   the Siena Lute Book
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   Appalling aboutthe Siena Lute Book.
   
   
   Gloves are
   cheap!
   
   
   
   
   
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D.,P.E.
   
   
   
   
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   
   Francisco Goya
   
   
   
   
   
   
   On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Arthur Ness mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net;
   class="">[5]arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote:
   
   the
   Siena Lute Book
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Tristan von Neumann]

Well, I guess if you had electricity, you could access your harddisk 
then :) But if all the landlines are down... also your genny might be 
broken after the storm...
While I listen to my gramophone after having played from hardcopy lute 
books :)


As for Trump: he knows the US can't win against China, and he's not that 
dumb to push the button.



Am 31.01.2018 um 20:28 schrieb John Mardinly:
As a former R worker at Western Digital, I can assure that a sun storm 
will not erase your disk drive. Just be glad you don’t live in America 
where donald trump has that big red button that he threatens north Korea 
with. That would be another storm starting with ’s’…..


A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.


The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya



On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Tristan von Neumann 
> wrote:


Here's my thoughts: I would recommend buying books anytime, and 
printing tabs.

But the reason is quite different from those of most of you I guess.

It is very simple: You never know when there is such a sun storm that 
all electric stuff is going to be destroyed.
This happened in mid 19th century, but of course this only affected 
telegraph business.
Today it is different. An event like that would probably destroy much 
of the electric infrastructure, basically going back to ancient times.

I am not kidding here.

So - books are welcome!

As for expensive facsimiles:
If the books are very beautiful like the Hainhofer Books, the Capirola 
Manuscript or some prints, it's probably not attractive to have a 
"reduced" quality. I would have bought the Capirola fac already if it 
wasn't either B/W or double pages.

Either you make it a very affordable simple edition, or make it a treat!
I think people have no need for expensive facsimiles that don't 
display the beauty of the original.


Am 31.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb Nancy Carlin:

Chris,
I agree with Ron. I use both digital and book format music and have 
been waiting to buy the Cherbury ms since I first heard about it. I 
am especially interested in the noes and concordances.

Nancy

    Dear Chris:

    I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the 
subject of
    the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.  I 
would buy
    the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage 
others

    to do so as well.

    There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may be
    readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for, 
nor a

    demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.  I have
    observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also 
love
    to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a 
well-designed

    printed edition that includes essays on historical background and
    concordances.

    I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply 
archived

    on hard drives and remain there unused.  And as much as technophiles
    love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real paper
    music on a music stand.  I'm not the only person who has 
observed that

    information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
    effectively than information on a backlit screen.

    Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile
    project.

    Best wishes,

    Ron
  __

    From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
 > on behalf

    of Hector Sequera >
    Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
    To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

    Good afternoon,
    In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an 
email

    to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on
    this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this
    project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
lute...@aol.com  <[1]mailto:lute...@aol.com>
    Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
    ———————————————
    1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?

    We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile 
of the
    Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English 
renaissance lute

    manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been
    delays.

    We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have 
some
    idea of demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less 
than they

    were, with some much available online.

    If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in
    format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price 
- £50
    to 

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[John Mardinly]

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Appalling about the Siena Lute Book.

Gloves are cheap!

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

[cid:43213E1A-45A3-4C0C-B084-966A95C27ED9]

The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya



On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Arthur Ness 
> wrote:

the Siena Lute Book


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Appalling aboutthe Siena 
Lute Book.


Gloves are cheap!





A. John Mardinly, Ph.D.,P.E.




The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters

Francisco Goya






On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Arthur Ness mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net; class="">arthurjn...@verizon.net 
wrote:

the
 Siena Lute Book







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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Arthur Ness]

   Sterling (hi!) remarked "Ya, I've been waiting decades now (I think)
   for the cherbury manuscript
   to be published."
   Why not try eons?
   How many years has Bob Spencer been gone? Twenty.  For decades he
   wanted to publish a facsimile
   of the Cherbury manuscript, but the aged music librarian at the FWM
   would not give permission.  It was probably
   No. 1 on Bob's list.
   Why?  The librarian's excuse was that the facsimile would attract
   hordes of readers wanting
   to see the original and it would be damaged.  Honest!!  Bob gave up and
   opined we'd just
   have to wait until the librarian "retired."  It is so nice to read
   the dedication to Bob's memory
   in the Holmes facsimiles.
   I experienced just the opposite with the Siena Lute Book.  It was a
   major source for the
   Francesco edition,* and I traveled to The Hague in order to see it in
   person.  It was in mint condition.  One
   might think it had been copied a few weeks before. Later I urged Mrs.
   Minkoff to publish a facsimile.
   In the meantime it got a bit messy from sweaty fingers. Twentieth
   century fingers. The museum
   library had set aside a special room where local lutenists could gather
   and pay directly from the
   manuscript.   I trust they use the facsimile these days.  Or perhaps
   they bring it out a few times
   each year just for he thrill of playing from the original.
   Then there was the time I visited our Boston Public Library to see
   Dowland's second book of ayres.
   They own the Countess of Bedford's dedication copy, all bound up in red
   leather with embossed
   gold decorations.  It was brought out by a page wearing white cotton
   gloves.  He stood behind me,
   leaned over and turned the pages when I nodded.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   *The best readings were in the Siena Ms.  I was nearing completion when
   I discovered Siena, and I had
   to recopy several pieces to incorporate Siena's superior readings.
   That was troublesome because the
   original plan to use my penned copy and I had to use ruled beams and
   barlines. I paid $100 for the pen.
   As a student I earned pocket change by copying music, and acting as the
   amanuensis for a Hollywood
   ASCAP composer who couldn't read music. He'd play his latest, and I'd
   write it down.  Ultimately the
   Press raised enough to pay for beautiful engravings were done in
   Japan.  My classmate Masakata
   "Holborn" Kanazawa served as intermediary.
   -Original Message-
   From: spiffys84121 
   To: Lutelist 
   Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 7:29 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
   Ya, I've been waiting decades now (I think) for the cherbury manuscript
   to be published.
   Sterling Price
   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
    Original message 
   From: Matthew Daillie 
   Date: 1/31/18 4:26 AM (GMT-07:00)
   To: Lutelist <[1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
   The last I heard all the hard work had been done but they were waiting
   to break even on the Matthew Holmes manuscript before publishing. This
   was already some time ago.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 31/01/2018 11:54, Rainer wrote:
   > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
   edition.
   >
   > Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Tristan von Neumann]

Here's my thoughts: I would recommend buying books anytime, and printing 
tabs.

But the reason is quite different from those of most of you I guess.

It is very simple: You never know when there is such a sun storm that 
all electric stuff is going to be destroyed.
This happened in mid 19th century, but of course this only affected 
telegraph business.
Today it is different. An event like that would probably destroy much of 
the electric infrastructure, basically going back to ancient times.

I am not kidding here.

So - books are welcome!

As for expensive facsimiles:
If the books are very beautiful like the Hainhofer Books, the Capirola 
Manuscript or some prints, it's probably not attractive to have a 
"reduced" quality. I would have bought the Capirola fac already if it 
wasn't either B/W or double pages.

Either you make it a very affordable simple edition, or make it a treat!
I think people have no need for expensive facsimiles that don't display 
the beauty of the original.


Am 31.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb Nancy Carlin:

Chris,
I agree with Ron. I use both digital and book format music and have been 
waiting to buy the Cherbury ms since I first heard about it. I am 
especially interested in the noes and concordances.

Nancy

    Dear Chris:

    I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the 
subject of
    the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.  I 
would buy
    the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage 
others

    to do so as well.

    There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may be
    readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for, 
nor a

    demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.  I have
    observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also love
    to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a well-designed
    printed edition that includes essays on historical background and
    concordances.

    I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply 
archived

    on hard drives and remain there unused.  And as much as technophiles
    love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real paper
    music on a music stand.  I'm not the only person who has observed 
that

    information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
    effectively than information on a backlit screen.

    Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile
    project.

    Best wishes,

    Ron
  __

    From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
    of Hector Sequera 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
    To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

    Good afternoon,
    In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an 
email

    to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on
    this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this
    project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
    lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:lute...@aol.com>
    Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
    ———————————————
    1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?

    We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of 
the
    Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance 
lute

    manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been
    delays.

    We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some
    idea of demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less than 
they

    were, with some much available online.

    If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in
    format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - 
£50

    to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS
    EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!

    And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy
    simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
    ————————————————
    Best wishes,
    Hector
    > On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri 
    wrote:
    >
    >   On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens
    <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com>
    >   wrote:
    >
    >   Dear Matteo,
    >
    >   Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury
    facsimile
    >   was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last
    December,
    >   and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy
    facsimile
    >   at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would
    be
    >   offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views
    within
    >   the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm
    afraid
    >   that I 

[LUTE] Re: Unknown manuscript

[G. C.]

   Thank you Tristan for the article. No, I haven't found an online
   facsimile. The library in question, Biblioteca del Conservatorio S.
   Pitro a Majella does not provide any on their site.
   G.
   On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   Very nice!
   Here's an article I found:
   [2]http://www.amicidellamusicalodi.org/la-storia/la-grande-
   musica-a-lodi/francesco-quartiron/
   Is there an online facsimile of this Ms.?

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   2. 
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Nancy Carlin]

Chris,
I agree with Ron. I use both digital and book format music and have been 
waiting to buy the Cherbury ms since I first heard about it. I am 
especially interested in the noes and concordances.

Nancy

Dear Chris:

I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the subject of
the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.  I would buy
the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage others
to do so as well.

There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may be
readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for, nor a
demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.  I have
observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also love
to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a well-designed
printed edition that includes essays on historical background and
concordances.

I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply archived
on hard drives and remain there unused.  And as much as technophiles
love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real paper
music on a music stand.  I'm not the only person who has observed that
information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
effectively than information on a backlit screen.

Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile
project.

Best wishes,

Ron
  __

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
of Hector Sequera 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Good afternoon,
In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email
to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on
this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this
project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:lute...@aol.com>
Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
———————————————
1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?

We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the
Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute
manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been
delays.

We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some
idea of demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they
were, with some much available online.

If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in
format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - £50
to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS
EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!

And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy
simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
————————————————
Best wishes,
Hector
> On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri 
wrote:
>
>   On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens
<[1]denyssteph...@sky.com>
>   wrote:
>
>   Dear Matteo,
>
>   Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury
facsimile
>   was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last
December,
>   and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy
facsimile
>   at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would
be
>   offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views
within
>   the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm
afraid
>   that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but
hopefully
>   a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of
work
>   has been done by the society on the introductory material for the
>   facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the
>   society in some form in the not too distant future.
>
>
>   Best wishes,
>
>
>   Denys Stephens
>
>
>   From: Matteo Turri [[2]mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com]
>   Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21
>   To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com
>   Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a
>   downlload)
>
>
>   Dear Denys,
>
>   since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the
>   facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00
you
>   get access to "a free download" [sic]   - , I was wondering when
the
>   Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript.
>
>   Best regards
>
>   Matteo Turri

[LUTE] Re: Unknown manuscript

[Tristan von Neumann]

Very nice!

Here's an article I found:
http://www.amicidellamusicalodi.org/la-storia/la-grande-musica-a-lodi/francesco-quartiron/

Is there an online facsimile of this Ms.?

Am 31.01.2018 um 11:37 schrieb G. C.:

Dear All,
I recently stumbled onto this @ the Swiss Radio.
[1]https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/
Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
(If you run the page url through google translate, the translation is
quite acceptable.)
The half hour podcast is about an obscure lute manuscript by a
Francesco Quartiron, containing over 100 pieces said to have been
discovered 30 years ago by Dinko Fabris in the Library of the
Conservatory of Naples. No mention whatsoever of it in the archives.
Has anyone here seen it /heard about it / played from it?
This ms. was completely unknown to me. 5 or 6 Examples from the CD by
Maurizio Piantelli (2009) are given in the podcast. The whole CD is on
Spotify and seems to contain some attractive pieces.
[2]https://open.spotify.com/album/77l6qr2o7sd1kK1BpWobNH
Said to be a student's collection, many of the pieces are elementary
dances in the romanesca / passomezzo style judging from the CD.
Tanti saluti
G

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References

1. 
https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Max Langer]

   I use a galaxy tab s2 and a Donner page turner. Heartily recommended.
   On 31 January 2018 at 18:16, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
   <[1]fournier...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I like to have printed facsimiles and editions in
 general, I
find PDF's more and more practical for browsing quickly through
 the
music and printing only what you want to play.I am actually
considering buying a large table so I can read straight from the
 pdf,
even in concert..
Bruno

  2018-01-31 11:17 GMT-05:00 Ron Andrico
   <[1][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
   Dear Chris:
   I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the
subject of
   the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.I
would buy
   the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively
   encourage
others
   to do so as well.
   There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles
   may
be
   readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need
   for,
nor a
   demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.I
   have
   observed that while lute players love to collect music, and
   also
love
   to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a
well-designed
   printed edition that includes essays on historical background
   and
   concordances.
   I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply
archived
   on hard drives and remain there unused.And as much as
technophiles
   love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real
paper
   music on a music stand.I'm not the only person who has
observed that
   information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
   effectively than information on a backlit screen.
   Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert
   facsimile
   project.
   Best wishes,
   Ron
 
__

 From: [2][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 <[3][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  on behalf
 of Hector Sequera <[4][5]hectorl...@mac.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
 To: [5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
 Good afternoon,
 In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just
 sent an
  email
 to its membership to assess whether or not there is any
 interest
  on
 this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate
 of
  this
 project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
 [6][7]lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:[7][8]lute...@aol.com>
 Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS
 list:
 âââââââââââââââ
 1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE â WOULD YOU BUY
 A
  COPY?
 We have been talking for some years about producing a
 facsimile
  of the
 Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English
 renaissance
  lute
 manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have
 been
 delays.
 We don't need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to
 have
  some
 idea of demand â especially as sales of facsimiles are less
 than
  they
 were, with some much available online.
 If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were
 similar
  in
 format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in
 price -
   £50
 to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE
 REPLY TO
  THIS
 EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!
 And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you
 would buy
 simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
 ââââââââââââââââ
 Best wishes,
 Hector
 > On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri
  <[8][9]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 > On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens
 <[1][9][10]denyssteph...@sky.com>

   > wrote:
   >
   > Dear Matteo,
   >
   > Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned
   Cherbury
   facsimile
   > was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held
last
   December,
   > and there was still strong interest in 

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Dan Winheld]

I HEARTILY second Ron's sentiments. And yes, I got stuff on the hard 
drive going nowhere. Last big download project was Miguel de Fuenllana's 
magnificent opus- well over 300 pages- I spent literally hundreds of 
dollars on all the paper and ink cartridges necessary for this, and then 
had to collate & get it all bound- three volumes! (Ironic note, I used 
to do offset lithography for a living).


I really, really miss good old "Books of Music" - yes, I want the 
Herb-Cherb! (and a few others)


Dan

On 1/31/2018 8:17 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:

Dear Chris:

I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the subject of
the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.  I would buy
the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage others
to do so as well.

There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may be
readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for, nor a
demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.  I have
observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also love
to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a well-designed
printed edition that includes essays on historical background and
concordances.

I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply archived
on hard drives and remain there unused.  And as much as technophiles
love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real paper
music on a music stand.  I'm not the only person who has observed that
information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
effectively than information on a backlit screen.

Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile
project.

Best wishes,

Ron
  __

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
of Hector Sequera 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Good afternoon,
In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email
to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on
this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this
project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:lute...@aol.com>
Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
———————————————
1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?

We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the
Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute
manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been
delays.

We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some
idea of demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they
were, with some much available online.

If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in
format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - £50
to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS
EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!

And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy
simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
————————————————
Best wishes,
Hector





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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   Although I like to have printed facsimiles and editions in general, I
   find PDF's more and more practical for browsing quickly through the
   music and printing only what you want to play.   I am actually
   considering buying a large table so I can read straight from the pdf,
   even in concert..
   Bruno

   2018-01-31 11:17 GMT-05:00 Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>:

Dear Chris:
I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the
 subject of
the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication.   I
 would buy
the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage
 others
to do so as well.
There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may
 be
readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for,
 nor a
demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music.   I have
observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also
 love
to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a
 well-designed
printed edition that includes essays on historical background and
concordances.
I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply
 archived
on hard drives and remain there unused.   And as much as
 technophiles
love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real
 paper
music on a music stand.   I'm not the only person who has
 observed that
information from a printed page is mentally processed much more
effectively than information on a backlit screen.
Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile
project.
Best wishes,
Ron
  
 __
From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 on behalf
of Hector Sequera <[4]hectorl...@mac.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM
To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
Good afternoon,
In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an
 email
to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest
 on
this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of
 this
project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at:
[6]lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:[7]lute...@aol.com>
Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
âââââââââââââââ
1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE â WOULD YOU BUY A
 COPY?
We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile
 of the
Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance
 lute
manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been
delays.
We don't need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have
 some
idea of demand â especially as sales of facsimiles are less than
 they
were, with some much available online.
If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar
 in
format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price -
 £50
to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO
 THIS
EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!
And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy
simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
ââââââââââââââââ
Best wishes,
Hector
> On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri
 <[8]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens
<[1][9]denyssteph...@sky.com>
>wrote:
>
>Dear Matteo,
>
>Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury
facsimile
>was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held
 last
December,
>and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard
 copy
facsimile
>at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum
 would
be
>offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change
 views
within
>the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So
 I'm
afraid
>that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but
hopefully
>a decision will be made on this later this year. A great
 deal of
work
>has been done by the society on the introductory material
 for the
>facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available
 by the
>society in some form in the not too distant future.
>
>
>Best wishes,
  

[LUTE] Re: Unknown manuscript

[Joachim Lüdtke]

Dear G

Naples, Biblioteca del Conservatorio S. Pitro a Majella MS 7664; see Victor 
Coelhos Catalogue (including incipits).

Best

Joachim
 


-Original-Nachricht-
Betreff: [LUTE] Unknown manuscript
Datum: 2018-01-31T11:39:02+0100
Von: "G. C." 
An: "Lutelist" 

   Dear All,
   I recently stumbled onto this @ the Swiss Radio.
   [1]https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/
   Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
   (If you run the page url through google translate, the translation is
   quite acceptable.)
   The half hour podcast is about an obscure lute manuscript by a
   Francesco Quartiron, containing over 100 pieces said to have been
   discovered 30 years ago by Dinko Fabris in the Library of the
   Conservatory of Naples. No mention whatsoever of it in the archives.
   Has anyone here seen it /heard about it / played from it?
   This ms. was completely unknown to me. 5 or 6 Examples from the CD by
   Maurizio Piantelli (2009) are given in the podcast. The whole CD is on
   Spotify and seems to contain some attractive pieces.
   [2]https://open.spotify.com/album/77l6qr2o7sd1kK1BpWobNH
   Said to be a student's collection, many of the pieces are elementary
   dances in the romanesca / passomezzo style judging from the CD.
   Tanti saluti
   G

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   1. 
https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
   2. https://open.spotify.com/album/77l6qr2o7sd1kK1BpWobNH


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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Hector Sequera]

Dear All,

As indicated in the message below, please reply directly to the secretary of 
the Lute Society since I am not collating the replies but simply passing the 
information to this list.

Best wishes,

Hector


> On 31 January 2018 at 14:55, Hector Sequera  > wrote:
> Good afternoon,
> 
> In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email to its 
> membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on this. Your reply 
> to the message below may determine the fate of this project. If interested 
> simply reply to the secretary at: lute...@aol.com  
> >
> 
> Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:
> 
> ———————————————
> 
> 1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?
> 
> We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the 
> Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute 
> manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been delays.
> 
> We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some idea of 
> demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they were, with 
> some much available online.
> 
> If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in format to 
> our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - ​​£50 to members 
> - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL TO LET US 
> KNOW!
> 
> And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy simple, 
> say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25.
> 
> ————————————————
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Hector
> 
> 
> > On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri  > > wrote:
> >
> >   On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com 
> > >
> >   wrote:
> >
> >   Dear Matteo,
> >
> >   Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury facsimile
> >   was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last December,
> >   and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy facsimile
> >   at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would be
> >   offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views within
> >   the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm afraid
> >   that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but hopefully
> >   a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of work
> >   has been done by the society on the introductory material for the
> >   facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the
> >   society in some form in the not too distant future.
> >
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >   Denys Stephens
> >
> >
> >   From: Matteo Turri [mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com 
> > ]
> >   Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21
> >   To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com 
> >   Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a
> >   downlload)
> >
> >
> >   Dear Denys,
> >
> >   since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the
> >   facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00 you
> >   get access to "a free download" [sic]   - , I was wondering when the
> >   Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript.
> >
> >   Best regards
> >
> >   Matteo Turri
> >
> >   On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 
> > >
> >   wrote:
> >
> > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
> > edition.
> > Rainer
> > On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote:
> >
> > Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
> > G.
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
> > <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 
> > > wrote:
> >   Have you received a reply?
> >   Rainer
> >   On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:
> >   We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the
> > following
> >   manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in
> > pdf
> >   format
> >   and available via a free download or on CD.
> >   Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where
> > necessary).
> >   As I understand it, it's either a free download for the
> > pdf or
> >   £25 for
> >   the CD.
> >   I just sent them an email - we'll see.
> >   Matteo
> >   To get on or off this list see list information at
> >   [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 
> > 
> > 

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Hector Sequera]

Good afternoon,

In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email to its 
membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on this. Your reply 
to the message below may determine the fate of this project. If interested 
simply reply to the secretary at: lute...@aol.com 

Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list:

———————————————

1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE – WOULD YOU BUY A COPY?
 
We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the Herbert 
of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute manuscript, with 
music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been delays.
 
We don’t need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some idea of 
demand – especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they were, with some 
much available online.
 
If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in format to 
our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - £50 to members - WOULD 
YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL TO LET US KNOW!
 
And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy simple, say, 
black and white reproduction, for, say £25.

————————————————

Best wishes,

Hector


> On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri  wrote:
> 
>   On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>   Dear Matteo,
> 
>   Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury facsimile
>   was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last December,
>   and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy facsimile
>   at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would be
>   offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views within
>   the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm afraid
>   that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but hopefully
>   a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of work
>   has been done by the society on the introductory material for the
>   facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the
>   society in some form in the not too distant future.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> 
>   Denys Stephens
> 
> 
>   From: Matteo Turri [mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com]
>   Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21
>   To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com
>   Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a
>   downlload)
> 
> 
>   Dear Denys,
> 
>   since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the
>   facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00 you
>   get access to "a free download" [sic]   - , I was wondering when the
>   Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript.
> 
>   Best regards
> 
>   Matteo Turri
> 
>   On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
>   wrote:
> 
> I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
> edition.
> Rainer
> On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote:
> 
> Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
> G.
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
> <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:
>   Have you received a reply?
>   Rainer
>   On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:
>   We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the
> following
>   manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in
> pdf
>   format
>   and available via a free download or on CD.
>   Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where
> necessary).
>   As I understand it, it's either a free download for the
> pdf or
>   £25 for
>   the CD.
>   I just sent them an email - we'll see.
>   Matteo
>   To get on or off this list see list information at
>   [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> --
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> 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
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> 
> References
> 
>   Visible links
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>   5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
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>   Hidden links:
>  10. 
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> 


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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Matteo Turri]

   On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com>
   wrote:

   Dear Matteo,

   Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury facsimile
   was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last December,
   and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy facsimile
   at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would be
   offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views within
   the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm afraid
   that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but hopefully
   a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of work
   has been done by the society on the introductory material for the
   facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the
   society in some form in the not too distant future.


   Best wishes,


   Denys Stephens


   From: Matteo Turri [mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com]
   Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21
   To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com
   Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a
   downlload)


   Dear Denys,

   since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the
   facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00 you
   get access to "a free download" [sic]   - , I was wondering when the
   Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript.

   Best regards

   Matteo Turri

   On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   wrote:

 I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
 edition.
 Rainer
 On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote:

 Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
 G.
 On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
 <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:
   Have you received a reply?
   Rainer
   On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:
   We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the
 following
   manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in
 pdf
   format
   and available via a free download or on CD.
   Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where
 necessary).
   As I understand it, it's either a free download for the
 pdf or
   £25 for
   the CD.
   I just sent them an email - we'll see.
   Matteo
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 --
 References
 1. mailto:[7]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms.CZ Brno D189 - Cross posting

[mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu]

You are obviously confused.
Monica

Original Message
From: r.turov...@gmail.com
Date: 31/01/2018 12:36 
To: "mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk"
Cc: , "Martyn Hodgson"

Subj: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms.CZ Brno D189  - Cross posting

Monica, you are crossposting on a wrong list!

RT

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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:03 AM, "mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu"  wrote:
> 
> Some of you on this list will be aware that there has been some 
> discussion of this manuscript on the Vihuela List.
> 
> For some reason Martyn Hodgson has been copying his messages on this 
> topic, including my messages with his comments on them, to this list 
as 
> well.
> 
> I was under the impression that we were not to supposed to cross-
post 
> messages in this way.  It has caused some confusion.  I was not on 
this 
> list but one of my messages appeared here rather than on the Vihuela 
> List and I have had people contacting me off the list to ask me to 
> clarify the situation.
> 
> If you want to join in the discussion you are of course welcome to 
do 
> so but I would suggest that you do it on the Vihuala List. I only 
post 
> my own messages to that list not to this list.
> 
> Thank you for your patience.
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms.CZ Brno D189 - Cross posting

[r . turovsky]

Monica, you are crossposting on a wrong list!

RT

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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:03 AM, "mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some of you on this list will be aware that there has been some 
> discussion of this manuscript on the Vihuela List.
> 
> For some reason Martyn Hodgson has been copying his messages on this 
> topic, including my messages with his comments on them, to this list as 
> well.
> 
> I was under the impression that we were not to supposed to cross-post 
> messages in this way.  It has caused some confusion.  I was not on this 
> list but one of my messages appeared here rather than on the Vihuela 
> List and I have had people contacting me off the list to ask me to 
> clarify the situation.
> 
> If you want to join in the discussion you are of course welcome to do 
> so but I would suggest that you do it on the Vihuala List. I only post 
> my own messages to that list not to this list.
> 
> Thank you for your patience.
> 
> Monica
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[spiffys84121]

   Ya, I've been waiting decades now (I think) for the cherbury manuscript
   to be published.

   Sterling Price

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    Original message 
   From: Matthew Daillie 
   Date: 1/31/18 4:26 AM (GMT-07:00)
   To: Lutelist 
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

   The last I heard all the hard work had been done but they were waiting
   to break even on the Matthew Holmes manuscript before publishing. This
   was already some time ago.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 31/01/2018 11:54, Rainer wrote:
   > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
   edition.
   >
   > Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

No significant progress so far...

Jean-Marie

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>The last I heard all the hard work had been done but they were waiting 
>to break even on the Matthew Holmes manuscript before publishing. This 
>was already some time ago.
>
>Best,
>
>Matthew
>
>On 31/01/2018 11:54, Rainer wrote:
>> I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile edition.
>>
>> Rainer 
>
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Matthew Daillie]

The last I heard all the hard work had been done but they were waiting 
to break even on the Matthew Holmes manuscript before publishing. This 
was already some time ago.


Best,

Matthew

On 31/01/2018 11:54, Rainer wrote:

I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile edition.

Rainer 





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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[G. C.]

   Dear Ralph,
   A quick search of the "Digitale Bibliothek" doesn't seem to show any
   "new" lute related material though. Have you found any?
   Best
   G.

   On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 11:19 CET, "G. C."
 <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> schrieb:
 > Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
 Well, technically speaking, you are free to download (and pay!) or
 not ;-)
 In such moments I'm glad to live in a country where libraries still
 remember what their purpose is.
 BTW, looks like Munich just finished digitizing all their tablature
 manuscripts.
  Cheers, Ralf Mattes
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Rainer]

Tu felix Germania :)

Rainer

On 31.01.2018 11:30, Ralf Mattes wrote:
  
Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 11:19 CET, "G. C."  schrieb:
  

Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D


Well, technically speaking, you are free to download (and pay!) or not ;-)

In such moments I'm glad to live in a country where libraries still remember 
what their purpose is.
BTW, looks like Munich just finished digitizing all their tablature manuscripts.

  Cheers, Ralf Mattes






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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Rainer]

I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile edition.

Rainer

On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote:

Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
G.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
<[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:

  Have you received a reply?
  Rainer
  On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:

  We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the following
  manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in pdf
  format
  and available via a free download or on CD.
  Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where necessary).
  As I understand it, it's either a free download for the pdf or
  £25 for
  the CD.
  I just sent them an email - we'll see.
  Matteo

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[LUTE] Unknown manuscript

[G. C.]

   Dear All,
   I recently stumbled onto this @ the Swiss Radio.
   [1]https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/
   Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
   (If you run the page url through google translate, the translation is
   quite acceptable.)
   The half hour podcast is about an obscure lute manuscript by a
   Francesco Quartiron, containing over 100 pieces said to have been
   discovered 30 years ago by Dinko Fabris in the Library of the
   Conservatory of Naples. No mention whatsoever of it in the archives.
   Has anyone here seen it /heard about it / played from it?
   This ms. was completely unknown to me. 5 or 6 Examples from the CD by
   Maurizio Piantelli (2009) are given in the podcast. The whole CD is on
   Spotify and seems to contain some attractive pieces.
   [2]https://open.spotify.com/album/77l6qr2o7sd1kK1BpWobNH
   Said to be a student's collection, many of the pieces are elementary
   dances in the romanesca / passomezzo style judging from the CD.
   Tanti saluti
   G

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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 11:19 CET, "G. C."  schrieb: 
 
>Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D

Well, technically speaking, you are free to download (and pay!) or not ;-)

In such moments I'm glad to live in a country where libraries still remember 
what their purpose is.
BTW, looks like Munich just finished digitizing all their tablature manuscripts.

 Cheers, Ralf Mattes






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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[G. C.]

   Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
   G.

   On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
   <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:

 Have you received a reply?
 Rainer
 On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:

 We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the following
 manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in pdf
 format
 and available via a free download or on CD.
 Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where necessary).
 As I understand it, it's either a free download for the pdf or
 £25 for
 the CD.
 I just sent them an email - we'll see.
 Matteo

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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Rainer]

Have you received a reply?

Rainer

On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:

We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the following
manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in pdf format
and available via a free download or on CD.

Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where necessary).

As I understand it, it's either a free download for the pdf or £25 for
the CD.
I just sent them an email - we'll see.
Matteo




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