I should have mentioned that on the wall behind my head on the new videos is
a map of Scotland by Robert Gordon of Straloch...
Rob
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Thanks Ed. Looking forward to your videos someday!
Rob
2008/5/27 Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Very lovely, Rob! I love the music from Wemyss MS.
Thanks,
ed
At 06:44 PM 5/27/2008 +0100, Rob MacKillop wrote:
Six short videos of pieces from Wemyss, Straloch and Panmure
manuscripts
never noticed the video tape had run out...Geez, I need to go for a long
walk!
Still, I hope you get something from these efforts. Was it worth it?
Probably not! Go to www.vimeo.com and search for MacKillop.
Rob MacKillop
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Is there any evidence, pictorial or otherwise, for an octave pairing on the
fourth course of a 7c lute? In other words - a 6c lute plus a seventh
course? It's hard to believe that all sixes were strung one way and all
sevens another way.
Rob MacKillop
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Hi John,
You should post more often. That was an interesting comment. John Dowland
complaining...imagine that! Seriously though, it is interesting you are
playing the Pesaro ms on a 7c - or, on re-reading your comment, you are
considering it. I like the octave on the fourth and lament its
seen before, and comments are welcome,
leading to discussion.
So, I think these networks have their place and are most welcome. But I am
happy to still read and enquire on this list. Hopefully both can live in
harmony together. I'm sure they can.
Discuss...
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Well done, David! What a nice piece. I've read through Zamboni's music and
thought it well worth playing and hearing - like Weiss but not as hard,
although some of the pieces do require a 14c archlute, but are playable,
sort of, on a 10c. Anyway, thanks for that and well done!
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That's been around for a while. Funny watching again, though.
Rob
2008/5/18 Benjamin Narvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long timea mockumentary
that
deals withe the wherefore and why of being a lute player; heavy emphasis on
the former!
Ever one to jump on a bandwagon...
The Lute and Baroque Lute lists now have a useful network site, as does the
cittern crowd. Now we have the vihuela-baroque guitar social network
website:
http://earlyguitar.ning.com/
What is there? Well, you can discuss things in a forum, upload photos, pdf
I have uploaded to the new Lute online community a keyboard arrangement of
the string parts to Vivaldi's D Major concerto for lute - useful for
practising with a harpsichord.
http://lutegroup.ning.com/
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Well done, Ron. Nice to hear the viol in there.
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Got your new Gottlieb 11c, Anthony?
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They also have it here, along with other inexpensive lutes and related
oddities:
http://www.celticrenaissancemusic.com/lutes
They say there is a soundfile as well, though I haven't heard it.
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Well, you could start by translating every Portuguese guitar book or
manuscript from the 17th to 19th centuries...Too much to ask? Oh well...
Seriously, Bruno, I appreciate your offer, and if I come across something I
need translated, I'll get in touch. Many thanks.
Rob
2008/5/8 Bruno Correia
is needed.
Rob MacKillop
2008/5/8 Daniel Ramey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Greetings All,
I am a rare poster to this list, but I was practicing last night and
found an interesting issue cropping up.I am a beginning lute player and
most of the songs I have learned to this point have been out
Interesting to see that Amazon are selling mp3 files of the whole disc.
Rob
2008/5/1 Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Volume 9 is now out in the USA.
Hardcopy from Amazon: http://snipurl.com/26pdk
mp3 from Amazon: http://snipurl.com/26pdw
iTunes store: http://snipurl.com/26pe5
I think
Visa
card which gives me an additional 5% off all purchases. It's a pretty good
deal.
DS
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Interesting to see that Amazon are selling mp3 files of the whole disc.
Rob
2008/5/1 Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Volume 9 is now out
What evidence is there for the theorbo being used in Spain?
Rob
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-1658) and Antonio Sol=EDs (1610-1686).
Rob MacKillop wrote:
What evidence is there for the theorbo being used in Spain?
Rob
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discussion many years ago (I can't recall if it was here or elsewhere) about
ornamentation in early music, and one guy said 'you should here Rob
MacKillop - he ornaments on every other note' - this came as a surprise
because I didn't think I
Dear Ron,
I'd like to thank you, in turn, for your thoughtful reply. If I take issue
with one or two points, it is nothing personal - I'm just thinking out loud.
1. How can you say that you 'can state this without reservation' that
'everyone in the sixteenth century who was fortunate enough to
This is a beautiful piece by Robert de Visee, with the 11th course lowered
to B. I've just uploaded an mp3 of it to www.songoftherose.co.uk - please
note that I've added an Updates link for easy access to files added since
your last visit. You can find the link to the Tombeau there or on the
Beautiful, Martin, and very sensitively played!
Rob
2008/4/29 Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dear All,
In the nick of time, before April turns into May, there is a new piece of
the month: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm
Do let me know what you think - sending parcels off
Monica's statement was originally on the Vihuela list...
BTW, Ray is wrong - we (well, some of us, not me, and probably not you) do
kill those whose beliefs we disagree with. I also doubt whether medieval man
smelt worse than one of my students...and I haven't yet met a soprano who
didn't think
to
follow in due course.
Cheers,
Rob MacKillop
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Interesting, as always, Roman. We generally read that the lute came to
Europe through Spain and Italy from North Africa, but you seem to be saying
that northern Europe had its own tradition? Am I reading you correctly?
Rob
2008/4/24 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A half dozen interesting
available, and Bach's 2nd suite for cello on 11c. Much more to follow in due
course.
Cheers,
Rob MacKillop
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, if Greysteil no longer exists)?
Best
Alan
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I've decided to put all my mp3 sound files on a dedicated website called
Song
Very beautiful.
Rob
On 20/04/2008, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I decided (against my better judgement) to run the recorder during the
rehearsal on Friday, and this is what came of that:
http://torban.org/audio/bida1.mp3
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Dear all, I think my original Subject line of 'Aarrrgg!!!' still holds!
Rob
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former Vice Presidents who claim to have invented the Internet and be
the Fount of All Knowledge regarding global warming come immediately to
mind.
Just a thought - maybe he is one of us? The Phantom Lurker?
I was going to write to him and the guy who wrote the article, but thought
better of it. We reap what we sow. It's not the first time I've had
quotation remarks around comments I never made. Seems to be the way
reporters work.
Is there any possibility that this will be translated into English?
Rob
On 17/04/2008, Mathias R=F6sel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please excuse tze shameless ad: Order Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique from
Deutsche Lautengesellschaft. It's a tutor for continuo with 11c lute in
D minor tuning.
or cry...
Rob MacKillop
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Luthier Malcolm Prior has updated his website:
http://www.malcolmprior.co.uk/index.htm - he took some time out when his
wife started having children. He is now fully back into lute making and has
a fairly short waiting time, as well as non-commissioned instruments coming
up for sale. Highly
...
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I've just been listening to Bart Roose's very good recording of music by
Neusidler (www.passacaille.be) - it has raised the profile of Neuslider for
me at least. Anyway, there is one track which clocks in at 12 minutes 38
seconds - Ein sehr kunstreicher Preambel oder Fantasey. Is this the longest
and I
don't recall the name.
Guy
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Subject: [LUTE] Longest 6c piece?
I've just been listening to Bart Roose's very good recording of music by
Neusidler
Luthier Malcolm Prior has updated his website:
http://www.malcolmprior.co.uk/index.htm - he took some time out when his
wife started having children. He is now fully back into lute making and has
a fairly short waiting time, as well as non-commissioned instruments coming
up for sale. Highly
Hi Stephen and Vance,
I've just checked my facsimile - definitely in duple time and seems to me to
be notated correctly. I personally would not play it too slowly.
Rob MacKillop
On 13/04/2008, Stephen Kenyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings. I notice the Pisador vihuela Pavana muy llana
On 13/04/2008, Stephen Kenyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If playing in duple where would the stress fall?
Upon the player...
Rob
PS Sorry about that flippant response - I'm suffering from flu at the
moment, and don't feel up to what you are asking of me (my fault, not yours
- I'm happy to
Looking forward to trying them some day. Thanks for that, Anthony - and
Mimmo, of course.
Rob
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using on your laptop? And
how do you avoid picking up fan noise?
Stephen
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Subject: [LUTE] Kapsberger mp3s
Passacaglia in Am, Canario and Kapsberger.
Scroll
I've just been informed my Malcolm Prior that I had the wrong diapason
string length on my web page. It should say 168cms, not 164.
Just thought I'd mention it...
Rob
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Stainer and Bell in the UK have published all Dowland's songs in reliable
modern editions - including lute tablature and transcription:
http://www.stainer.co.uk/dowland.html
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books
Stainer and Bell in the UK have published all Dowland's songs in
reliable
modern editions - including lute tablature and transcription:
http://www.stainer.co.uk/dowland.html
Rob MacKillop
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I have a friend I push around in a wheel chair. We pull that trick every
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On 03/04/2008, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David
You forgot two of my favourite whiskies, Bruichladdich and
Clynelish.
A friend of mine found a very ancient Bruichladdich at
lutes (not baroque) such as a 7c, what
difference
in tone might one expect from a multi-ribbed back as opposed to wide
ribs?
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PS: the shoulder is not troubling you anymore, especially with the new
theorbo?
Thanks for asking, David. Oddly, or not, I have less trouble with the
theorbo. Must be using the muscles in a different way. I now play about an
hour a day, in
Confession time: I was originally thinking of a 7c, then played Malcolm
Prior's 10c (before it was shipped to Germany), and decided on one of those,
at 64cms. Now I'm thinking 7c again...I drive myself and everyone around me
crazy sometimes. So what do I want it for? I don't have a lute in
No, it hasn't. Please send me it privately or try again to the list. I'm
very much interested in what you have to say, Stewart.
Rob
On 02/04/2008, Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Test 17
My message sent yesterday to Rob MacKillop about 64 cm lutes does not
seem to have come through
A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. Sorry, not
interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or another. I'll go
either 7 or 10. Probably 7.
Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless!
Cheers,
Rob
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Thanks to everyone for their input. I've decided instead to get a Fender
Stratocaster - covers most things from Francesco to Jimi, and costs a lot
less.
Jean-Marie - I used to have an 8c (seems like a thousand years ago) on which
(at the advice of Jacob Lindberg) I swaped the bottom two courses
versa of course. Ultimately it is meaningless. The
performance at the moment is all that matters, and that performance in front
of a lute audience seemed to me to be near perfect. If I was a pro waiting
to go on after you, I would have felt very uncomfortable indeed!
Rob MacKillop
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inside the
pegbox.
Urs Leo
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I brought this home on Tuesday from Malcolm Prior's workshop - a stunning
theorbo in A, 85cms string length.
I've uploaded a photographic history of its construction, and an mp3 file
of
Piccinini's Corrente Prima - a slower than I would
for the bowl and beech for the neck? Or does the neck has a
pine core?
The neck doesn't seem to veneered, but stained black and red inside the
pegbox.
Urs Leo
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I brought this home on Tuesday from Malcolm Prior's workshop - a stunning
theorbo in A, 85cms string length
I've been reminded that some of you on this Baroque Lute list are not on the
Lute list, so here is a cross posting (sorry if you have received it twice).
I have a wonderful new theorbo. Sound file and pics:
http://www.rmguitar.info/theorbo.htm
Rob
PS I suppose a theorbo is a baroque lute of
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05
Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money
was taken out of my
I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me
downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking
specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various
sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off.
Rob
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/second... It took the day !
They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable.
Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose !
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 28-03-2008 08:20:28 ==
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The company have very kindly and very promptly returned my money.
I'm so sorry this didn't work out. I want to encourage downloads, especially
as discs are so hard to find. I've had a few thousand downloads of mp3s on
my own website - a free service. Why is it so much harder when money is
Dear Gernot,
The composer who has caused me the most concern over fingering is Fuenllana.
There are many instances where he could have made life easier for everyone.
I don't know if being blind was an issue here. I doubt it. What occurred to
me is that some odd fingerings could have resulted from
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for
the English Lute
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The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan.
I thought it was Papa Smurf..?
Rob
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Congratulation Benjamin! I look forward to reading it. Never seen a copy of
Goldberg, but I'll look harder now.
Rob MacKillop
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..uuurrrggghhh
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.. even if you don't bother to tune the axe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8
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Such nuance. Such subtlety. There is much we can learn there. Thanks Roman!
My lute playing will be transformed. Must go and smack my lute up.
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I liked both interpretations. Let's hear more.
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A friend has asked me what font was used in the LSA publication 'A History
of the Lute' by Douglas Alton Smith. Anyone know? It looks beautiful.
Wouldn't mind knowing myself.
Rob
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The ones that got away are always better! (Not the most
grammatically-correct sentence I've ever written!).
You seemed to relax into it more before the end. It didn't sound like you
were on rhythmic autopilot, which it often does when one is experimenting
with inegales. Keep up the good work.
Here is Lynda Sayce's essay on the subject of flying with a theorbo:
http://www.theorbo.com/Writings/Flying.htm
Rob
On 06/03/2008, Thomas Tallant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have any good advice for how to bring a large lute from Europe
to the United States? In this case the
And another:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~tuben/scores/
Rob
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Dear all
All the vocal music by Tarquinio Merula that I've heard [voice and
theorbo]
is superb.
But I can't find references to any editions [the 'opere complete'
edition
Well done. Very nice indeed. You're going to build up quite a library of
scores and sound files over the coming decades. Keep at it!
Rob
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And Lutar is Scots...
Rob
On 04/03/2008, G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I small question.
To describe a person playing the lute, I've come across:
Lutenist
Lutist
Lutanist
Lute-player
Which is (are) the correct one (s)? All of them?
G.
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Good email, David.
I had four lute lessons, two from Jacob Lindberg, two from David Miller.
Learned enough to realise that these guys could play better than they could
teach. Been stumbling on my own for years now. Made my own mistakes. Found
my own voice (for better or worse).
I think it would
And here it is:
*http://tinyurl.com/2pq53a*
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What does TANSTAAFL mean?
Rob
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You wish!
It's only a small teaser.
Remember TANSTAAFL
(except David's tasting meetings of course ;)
G.
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VERY nice, Mathias. Beautiful tone, the bass especially.
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Very nice, Stephen. Working your way to a complete recording of the Barbe?
Why not? Seriously, that is a beautiful piece. Your playing gets better with
each recording. You seem to be relaxing more with each piece, getting used
to the microphone, listening to the music more. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Theo. I already have it, and agree with everything you said. Great
flute playing! Nice to hear ensemble versions of these works. Here it is: *
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Strange booklet notes:
''...like everyone else, I use strings which do not sound as they should.
They produce a sound that is admittedly compelling and powerful, but to my
ears too flashy, indeed vulgar, and which hinders the transmission of the
discourse.''
So why do it? - might seem like the
I can certainly sympathise with him. The booklet note ends with him inviting
us to his house in the Philippines...if we are passing.
Rob
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I calculate that for a theorbo, you would be paying out more than $ 1,200
USD just for strings
Wow! I could keep a horse for a year...
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I've listened to the canon - what a great piece. Cut the tempo in half and
sort out that little cadential turn, and you will sound even better. Very
enjoyable.
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In my experience, students tend to use ten times the amount of pressure and
energy than required, so when I see talk of finger strengtheners I get
worried. The great classical guitarist, David Russell, taught me an
invaluable lesson in this regard. Put your left hand index finger on any
note, say
Excellent advice, David. Paul Galbraith told me to feel different surfaces
gently with my fingertips - clothes, tables, guitar (lute) case - before
plucking the string. It awakens the fingers to the subtleties of touch.
Left and right hand shape the tone together
100 per cent right on.
Rob
Being the father of an 11-year old girl myself, that was truly
inspirational. Thanks. We both enjoyed it.
Rob and Rhona
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May I, responding to Rob's demand, introduce another amateurs' recording
of two Dowland songs:
Again, a nice recording, very good playing.
Rob
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You could try sending a message to the French list, but I doubt if
anyone will want to part with this rather strange first edition.
Anthony
I would swap my original French edition for a new English edition...
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Mimmo sent me an interesting idea. He agreed that I could forward it to you
guys. I think Martyn holds a similar position?
Rob
Silk bass strings like the 19th c guitars Rob. My point of wiwe of course
This is why I think that the Gallicone was so suitable on bass line and
powerful. My idea is
What is there to be gained by members of this list jumping in and saying 'my
lute is great', or 'Barber is a +*^%!' - we will just all get hot under the
collar and annoyed. This has nothing to do with anyone's merits as a maker
or player, but it has a lot to do with negative jibes on websites.
There's a thought. I'll write to you privately, Martyn.
Rob
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Rob,
I'd be happy to lend you my large single strung gallichon in A for a few
months if you could pick it up and arrange insurance etc.
regards,
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Stephen,
You mentioned books - do you have the baroque lute tutor by Satoh and the
one by Miguel Serdoura, 'Collection Le Secret Des Muses'? The latter has
lots of exercises and easy pieces. I have the French version which was
published by the French Lute Society, but I believe it has been
Despite what the Barbarous Barber might say, Martyn is a very talented man -
he made his own gallichon, and is also a leading scholar in the world of the
gallichon, and although I've never heard him play, I'm told he is a fine
performer too. Maybe he would make you one, Dale? If not, I'm sure most
Well done Stephen. I think the performance is better than the last
recording, although that wasn't bad at all. Another nice piece and a nice
performance. What more could anyone ask for?
Keep up the good work. I'm off to listen to it again...
Rob
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The second lute (in a') is my no.3, made in 1983 (it didn't take a year
to make, by the way, just nine days).
Nine days?!
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I play at 392 with a string length of 69. My baroque guitar is also at 392
for de Visee. This is a home recording of my 11c:
http://www.rmguitar.info/mp3s/11c/TombeauDeDuBut.mp3
Some like that low pitch, others don't. You will read conflicting reports
about pitch during this period in France,
Martin,
A Fronimo file doesn't take up much space at all. I think it is up to you,
of course, but a Fronimo file would be handy, especially for those who like
to change from Italian to French tab, or reorganise the page turns to suit
themselves. That said, I am very inconsistent on my own site,
I'm listening to the Lawes suite for two lutes from your website - VERY
nice! I love those pieces but have never played them.
I must get hold of the Gallot ms...
Rob
On 13/02/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you very much, Rob, for the kind words. Yes, that manuscript
I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last
couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels
100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many
hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in
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