[LUTE] Re: Reymann

2019-05-02 Thread dwinheld
   MOI -old mss. & incunabula,

   www.omifacsimiles.com

   I can,t connect- they may be out of business?

   Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

    Original message 
   From: Terry Muska 
   Date: 5/2/19 12:33 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: Mathias Rösel 
   Cc: Lutelist 
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reymann

   What is OMI and how can I purchase a copy of the Reymann?
   Thanks,
   Terry
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On May 2, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Mathias Rösel
wrote:
   >
   >   Not easy to read, c and e almost undiscernible at many places.
   >   Digitalised copies would be great help.
   >   There must be facsimile files of Reymann online somewhere, though,
   >   because I've g got one.
   >   Mathias
   >
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   >   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   >   Von: Susan Price
   >   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Reymann
   >   Datum: 02.05.2019, 4:23 Uhr
   >   An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >
   >   I see that OMI has a nice facsimile of Reymann for $111.00. Should
   I
   >   purchase?
   >   Susan
   >    Original message 
   >   From: Dan Winheld <[2]dwinh...@lmi.net>
   >   Date: 5/1/19 7:27 PM (GMT-07:00)
   >   To: magnus andersson <[3]maan7...@yahoo.com>, Tristan von Neumann
   >   <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reymann
   >   Congratulations Tristan and Magnus- you have gotten me interested
   in
   >   getting Reymann's "Noctes"; unfortunately my eyesight has degraded
   to
   >   the point where I can no longer read facsimiles. Are there any
   modern
   >   typeset editions? (Any tab system or pitch notation- just has to be
   >   legible to ancient eyes)
   >   Thanks for any leads-
   >   Dan
   >>   On 4/26/2019 10:19 PM, magnus andersson wrote:
   >> Dear Tristan,
   >>
   >> I have played some Reymann in concert. His Noctes collection is
   >   indeed
   >> one of the finest collections of lute music that's come down to
   >   us.
   >>
   >> His galliardas are among the the most virtuouso pieces in the
   >   whole
   >> repertoire.
   >>
   >> He must have been a very accomplished musician!
   >>
   >> I hope to record some of his music in the future. His Cythara
   >   sacra is
   >> a great pendant to Noctes. Much more meditative and less
   >   technically
   >> demanding.
   >>
   >> Best,
   >>
   >> Magnus
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   >> Den fredag, april 26, 2019, 10:29 em, skrev Tristan von Neumann
   >> <[6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
   >>
   >> Just got my hands on Noctes Musicae 1598 by Matthaeus Reymann.
   >>
   >> Has anyone played it?
   >>
   >> I am amazed that there is absolutely no recording of this amazing
   >   very
   >>
   >> original music.
   >>
   >> The collection has huge choral and other fantasies with lots of
   >   great
   >>
   >> ideas, and especially pavans that rival the fantastic treatment
   >   of
   >>
   >> Daniel Batchelar's - these aren't dances anymore, but fantasies
   >   ordered
   >>
   >> by the pavan model.
   >>
   >> The best thing: the difficulty is not that high compared to the
   >   effect:
   >>
   >> the fingering is very logical and doesn't distract from the
   >   beauty of
   >>
   >> the pieces.
   >>
   >> Huge recommendation.
   >>
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[LUTE] Re: In memoriam loaded gut

2013-05-28 Thread dwinheld

Martin, Sean-

In Memoriam Indeed. (Happy Memorial Day everyone!) I am grimly holding
on to my three last good ones for fundamentals 12, 11, and 10 on my
d-minor Baroque lute.

Sean, if yours is a big, fat, juicy one (.200 or so mm) the right place
may be the 13 course fundamental on my Baroque lute, currently a bass viol
5th string holds that position fairly well.

Dan

P.S., on the road, will hear Martin's recording later...



 Those are lovely, Martin; so wonderfully different from all that down-beat
 driven, passaggi fol-de-rol. As for the strings, I bought about a half
 dozen of them years ago and did use and enjoy them. Still have one waiting
 for the right place.

 Sean




 On May 28, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:

 Hi All,

 As the opportunity arose, just made a couple of quick and dirty recordings
 on an 11c lute I made a couple of years ago (after Maler, 69cm) using
 loaded gut strings:

 www.luteshop.co.uk/11c/laltesseroyale.mp3
 www.luteshop.co.uk/11c/labellehomicide.mp3

 I am so sad that we cannot get these strings anymore.

 Martin



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[LUTE] Re: John Danyel

2011-10-25 Thread dwinheld
   Of course- that's why I used the term editor  rather than name you
   directly. Just ambiguous enough, since I wasn't sure it that it wasn't
   you. My apologies, Martin.
   A nine course lute at this time in England would no doubt conform to
   Downland's description- 10 frets on the neck (hath been lengthened
   by the French Nation to tenne frets -guessing, don't have my
   Varietie handy) -so that nominal G lute goes down about another
   tone, so probably it's an F lute at 67 cm.
   Dan
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   From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:30:18 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Danyel
   Dear All,
   Dan, when you say the editor in your last sentence, you mean Dr
   Fellowes (or whoever it was) not me - I said nothing about the absolute
   pitch.  My guess is that the general pitch at this period was around
   a
   tone lower than modern, so a G lute may have been around 67cm string
   length.  I think one of the songs uses a bass lute in (nominal) D, so
   this may have been quite a big beast.
   The strange tuning used for The Leaves be Green is a kind of conceit
   (first pointed out by Tony Rooley many years ago - starting with a
   nominal G lute, the only courses which have *not* been changed in
   tuning
   are A and G, standing for Anne Greene.
   Best wishes,
   Martin
   On 25/10/2011 17:28, Daniel Winheld wrote:
I vote for the sensible compromise-  g stays g (easy!) and a low
   Bb. B flat was used by other lute composers- see some of Nicolas
   Vallet's pieces- he has the 10th course CC scoradature'd down to low Bb
   in at least three pieces in his Secret des Muses. He also wrote for 9
   course lute, so a low C on the 9th could obviously go down. Pushing the
   envelope has always been the norm; and when one end of the envelope is
   already at the tearing point  it's the other end that has to give. Is
   this the John Danyel piece  Mrs Anne Grene her leaves bee greene
   based on the song The Leaves be Greene?
   
  There is an English Lute Society edition of Danyel's complete lute
   works, and that one is printed as per the original and re-intabulated
   (if that is the right term) by Martin Shepherd into standard tuning.
   Works very well that way- but I haven't had the courage to re-tune my
   archlute (no 9 or 10 course lutes in the house) to try the original.
   The editor's opinion is that the actual pitches go 1/2 step lower than
   the sensible compromise i.e., f# 1st and AA 9th.
   
Dan
   
On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Mathias RAP:sel wrote:
   
Dear Everybody,
   
not sure if this has been discussed before, as the archives are
   unavailable currently. In John Danyels 1606 publication, there is a
   piece on the last pages (22-3) with a special lute tuning. It is a solo
   piece (variations on Greensleeves), and Danyel gives a chart with the
   intervals, but no pitches.
   
Translated into pitch, the tuning would possibly be:
   
1. B4 - F#4 - D4 - A3 - D3 - C3 | A2 - G2 - C2
Or
2. E4 - B3 - G3 - D3 - G2 - F2 | D2 - C2 - G1
Or
3. D4 - A3 - F3 - C3 - F2 - Eb2 | C2 - Bb1 - F1
   
The first line is based on the lowest bass string on lutes at the
   time (C2). In that case, the 1st course would be higher (and thinner)
   than gut strings can be made for a G-lute with VSL of about 58-63 cm.
   
The 2nd and 3rd lines are based on the lowest bass strings for the
   chitarrone or the archlute. In that case, the 1st course has the pitch
   of a tenor lute. Played with the 1st course as B4, the variations on
   Greensleeves would be in C-major, and played with the 1st course as E4,
   the variations would be in F-major.
   
Of course, one might argue that somewhere in the middle is a
   sensible compromise, i. e. 1st course G4 with the 9th course Bb1. That
   way, however, Danyel's Greensleeves would be in A-flat-major. A bit
   awkward for 1606 IMO.
   
My questions are:
   
1. Is there evidence of very small 9c lutes (about 50 cm VSL) in
   Britain around 1600? (First line of tuning)
   
2. Is there evidence of theorboed 9c lutes (not to speak of Britain
   around 1600)? (2nd and 3rd lines of tuning)
   
Mathias
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread dwinheld
   Another point for modern versions of these extended neck diapason
   burdened instruments-  modern builders know how fickle, indecisive, and
   variable are the needs of us modern players; it is a simple matter to
   have in place pre-drilled extra bridge holes, long enough nut to
   accommodate at least one more course,  plenty of pegs at both
   pegboxes. So many theorbi, arciliuti, etc. can be set up as 6 x 8, 8 x
   6, 7 x 7, single or double courses. You pick your strings and play
   around until you have the best set-up. I'm still playing around with my
   own archlute, part of the fun. No reason this thing couldn't also be
   set up to go as a 6 x 8 as easily as the original 5 x 9.
   In fact, just went back and looked at the one Rob is playing- guess
   what? 11 pegs in the lower pegbox. It actually isn't that hard to drill
   a few holes in the bridge, (done it myself- 8ve string hole at the 8th
   course to make my archlute 8 x 6) but of course great care  precision
   are called for. Remember the bow drill used for just that purpose
   posted here a few weeks ago?
   Dan- more nonsense, don't want to go back to work.
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   From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:43:50 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
   The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any
   kind of lute or theorbo music on it would mean redrilling the bridge
   to accomodate six, hazardous enough on a 'decent' instrument, but I'm
   not sure this one will be up to it.
   David
   On 29 August 2011 15:17, Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net wrote:
Not to be argumentative, but...  :-)  I spent over 25 years building
   and
playing classic guitars, and this theorobed guitar is a member of
   the lute
family, beyond doubt...  But, call it as you will, and no doubt
   Stephen and
Sandi are correct looking from their background.  This stuff greatly
   depends
upon which expert is looking at it...  :-)
Garry
   
-Original Message- From: David van Ooijen
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
   
Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and
   Sandi's)
description of the theorbood guitar (Theorbo Bass Lute medium). It
even comes with Fontanelli's music!
   
David - enough of this nonsense, back to work
   
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[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread dwinheld
   I also very highly recommend Chris Henriksen of Boston Catlines. I got
   strings from him earlier this year and have been dealing with him
   forever. He's not tied down to any one source (I've gotten everything
   from gut, to carbon, nylon, nylgut, new nylgut, and perhaps someday
   neonuovonylgut) He is a professional performer on all the usual
   instruments himself (recording  concert artist) and has been putting
   sets of strings together for decades. The only other source I go to is
   Dan Larson, almost exclusively for his gut. Also recommended- and he
   has a great online string calculator program:
   http://www.gamutstrings.com/calculators/calculator.htm
   And his homepage:
   http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/
   Have fun, don't go too broke.
   Dan
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   From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:52:02 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
   On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
I'm thinking theorbo purchase...  Where does one get a nylon theorbo
  14-course string set?
   Never mind the strings; where did you find a nylon theorbo?
I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went
  from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too short...  Please, no you must
   use
  gut(!) nonsense.  Are theorbo strings bought individually?  Please
  name sources, if possible.
   Yes, you should buy the strings individually.  Lutes and theorbos are
   not standard lengths, so an all-purpose set of them, such as you can
   buy for a guitar, makes no sense.
   Any instrument you buy should have strings already on it, so if the
   seller can tell you what they are, you can make changes as it suits
   you.  And BTW, for long theorbo basses, gut works fabulously well and
   lasts forever.
   You can find a list of string makers/sellers here:
   http://www.unm.edu/~ctdbach/music/lute_strings.html
   Has anyone done business Chris Henriksen/Boston Catlines lately?  I was
   once very satisfied dealing with him, but I don't think I've actually
   bought any strings in this century, and now that I finally need new
   ones, I feel like a string virgin again.
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[LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal

2011-08-26 Thread dwinheld
   More Governmental B.S:
   http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/gibson-0825-2011/
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   From: Guy Smith guy_m_sm...@comcast.net
   To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:34:32 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal
   This has actually been an issue for quite some time. It's related to
   CITES
   (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species), so it can
   come
   into play when you cross any international border. Different countries
   have
   different approaches to enforcing CITES, but all of the signatories are
   supposed to be doing something.
   I worried about this issue a couple of years ago, when I took a
   borrowed
   theorbo with a small ivory decoration on the neck across the border to
   Vancouver (Canada). I'm sure Bob Lundberg was careful where his ivory
   came
   from, but I couldn't prove anything. Fortunately, they just waved me
   through
   both directions without inspecting anything.
   Guy
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of William Samson
   Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:44 AM
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal
  - Forwarded Message -
  From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
  To: Markus Johann Muehlbauer m.j.muehlba...@googlemail.com
  Sent: Friday, 26 August 2011, 19:42
  Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal
  I can see this being a real headache for luthiers.  Many lute
   makers,
  myself included (when I was active) prefer to use recycled materials
  from old furniture, for example.  I have a load of ebony 'black
   keys'
  and ivory white keytops salvaged from pianos, and even a couple of
  ebony pillars from the sides of a very old wardrobe that was
   otherwise
  eaten up by woodworm.  The ivory for nuts I bought as offcuts from a
  maker of bagpipes 40-odd years ago.  There's no way now that I can
   get
  hold of paperwork to authenticate my claims - many of the people I
  bought stuff from are long dead!  Let's hope this crap never reaches
  the UK.
  Talking of re-cycling - the great Swiss lute maker, Sandro Zanetti
   who
  was a top luthier in the late sixties, worked almost exclusively
   with
  recycled materials - even his soundboards were salvaged from high
  quality piano soundboards.
  From: Markus Johann Muehlbauer m.j.muehlba...@googlemail.com
  To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Friday, 26 August 2011, 19:12
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [LUTE] An article from today's Wall Street Journal
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:09:17 +0200
From: Markus Johann Muehlbauer
  [1][1]m.j.muehlba...@googlemail.com
  To: David R [2][2]d_lu...@comcast.net
  If I understand that article correctly, I'd asume I shoudn't even
   try
  to
  bring my recorders or lute across the US-border. I don't yet know
   how I
  should think about this development. When I asked for FSC-certified
  recorders all I got in response was stupid answers. But this way
   over
  the top. I own only a used lute, how on earth should I know what
   kind
  of
  rosewood the luthier used for it an where or when it was harvested?
   The
  wood propably comes from a time when no one knew that this kind of
  documentation would one day become a necessity.
  But I'm glad you reposted that article here. It would have never
  crossed
  my mind that taking musical instrumentes to the US could turn out to
   be
  so difficult.
  On 26.08.2011 19:26, David R wrote:
   [3][3]http://online.wsj.com/article/
   SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html?
   mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5
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[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo

2011-08-19 Thread dwinheld
   Except that the way the 7 course vihuela players did it was strictly
   mental- by tuning the 4th course down from f to e, and just thinking
   of it as G instrument with a high treble course, despite the actual
   pitch level and range being identical to a 7 course lute with a low D
   7th. It was this flexible thinking on the part of vihuelists that
   fooled eary musicologists into believing that every vihuelist had to
   own 7 vihuelas to cover every tone in the scale. Of course, one could
   get the same impression from any number of 16th and 17th century lute
   songbooks that put the singer's first note reference almost anywhere on
   the fingerboard (Willeart, the Verdelot madrigals intabutated for voice
   and lute, for example).
   But it's interesting that Galilei proposed a short string to actually
   go higher- how the hell did he propose to fret such a string? Not to
   mention avoiding the existing frets. (Look forward to you exploring
   this one.) Another unasked question- how did he feel about his kid Mike
   fooling around with (gasp!) 10 course lutes?
   I never knew about the McClintock translation- is that available? I
   would love a copy. (As well as translations of Capirola and Piccinini)
   Dan
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   From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:49:47 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo
   Well, this has really opened something up for me.  I've just been
   reading Carol McClintock's translation of Galilei's Fronimo, and
   amongst
   the many fascinating things he says (of which more anon) is that
   there's
   no point having all those extra bass courses on the lute because they
   sound too weak and in any case you can do everything you want on a 6c
   lute.  That much is fairly widely known.  But he goes on to say that if
   you really want to intabulate pieces which go slightly outside the
   range
   you should do it by adding an extra course in the treble, tuned a
   fourth
   higher than the original top string, which now becomes the second
   course
   (so we now have a high c string).  I don't know exactly how he
   physically managed this, but he talks about adding an extra little
   bridge so the new top string is a bit shorter than the others.  I'm
   just
   about go on a trip so don't have the time to explore all this right
   now,
   but I'm intrigued that it seems the vihuelistas may actually have done
   this.
   Best wishes,
   Martin
   On 19/08/2011 06:06, dwinh...@comcast.net wrote:
Quite right, Ed, about the 7 course vihuela and how it is
   misunderstood
today. I plead guilty to tuning- and using- my own 7 course
   Chambure
copy as a part-time stealth 7 course lute.  What I understand
   from
reading Ward  Bermudo is that the 7th course is considered to be
   a
nominal high c string, (for a g vihuela) in order to make the
   higher
voices of motets, masses, etc. playable within reasonable areas
   of the
fingerboard- just like a having a 5 string cello for Bach's 6th
   cello
suite. In practical terms, of course, (the laws of physics being
   what
they are, despite what Republican's would like them to be) a 7
   course
vihuela of say 59 cm. sl would actually be set up as a small D
instrument, whose scale allows the high g string- but it would
   be
nominally a G instrument with a high c string. All I would
   have to
do on mine would be to lower the 4th course from f to e to come
   up with
the correct intervals- then I would be good to go, playing all
   the
voices from the vocal scores.  The other tuning in Bermudo is a
theoretical proposal of 4ths and 5ths that sounds cool but, like
   other
things, would be thankless wishful thinking; what with the laws
   of
physics being what they are; vis-a-vis the breaking point of gut
   and
the integrity of bridges to soundboard connections.
Dedillo? Tried it, don't like it; I'm with Fuenllana on that one.
   I
still await a convincing performance.
Dan
   
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From: Edward Martine...@gamutstrings.com
To: Martin Shepherdmar...@luteshop.co.uk, Lute List
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:30:30 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo
Thanks for posting this, Martin!  Ralph Maier certainly gives us
something to contemplate.
Many of us play the vihuela, but very few, if any, play the
   dedillo
stroke.  I have dabbled a bit with it, but not made a serious
   study
of it, and Maier makes a great case for making another  attempt.
He
is obviously using bright synthetic strings, and if he used  gut,
   I
am 

[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo

2011-08-19 Thread dwinheld
   ...the way the 7 course vihuela players did it was strictly mental- by
   tuning the 4th course down from f to e, and just thinking of it as G
   instrument with a high treble course...
   I have personally done this in situations requiring a D bass lute,
   (lute duets/ensemble, bass singers, playing a bass viol part) -but
   having only a 7-course tenor G lute available. It's a really fun mental
   kick when you finally fool yourself into feeling that your 1st course
   actually is a high 7th course.
   Dan
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[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo

2011-08-18 Thread dwinheld
   Quite right, Ed, about the 7 course vihuela and how it is misunderstood
   today. I plead guilty to tuning- and using- my own 7 course Chambure
   copy as a part-time stealth 7 course lute.  What I understand from
   reading Ward  Bermudo is that the 7th course is considered to be a
   nominal high c string, (for a g vihuela) in order to make the higher
   voices of motets, masses, etc. playable within reasonable areas of the
   fingerboard- just like a having a 5 string cello for Bach's 6th cello
   suite. In practical terms, of course, (the laws of physics being what
   they are, despite what Republican's would like them to be) a 7 course
   vihuela of say 59 cm. sl would actually be set up as a small D
   instrument, whose scale allows the high g string- but it would be
   nominally a G instrument with a high c string. All I would have to
   do on mine would be to lower the 4th course from f to e to come up with
   the correct intervals- then I would be good to go, playing all the
   voices from the vocal scores.  The other tuning in Bermudo is a
   theoretical proposal of 4ths and 5ths that sounds cool but, like other
   things, would be thankless wishful thinking; what with the laws of
   physics being what they are; vis-a-vis the breaking point of gut and
   the integrity of bridges to soundboard connections.
   Dedillo? Tried it, don't like it; I'm with Fuenllana on that one. I
   still await a convincing performance.
   Dan
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   From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
   To: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk, Lute List
   lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:30:30 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Dedillo
   Thanks for posting this, Martin!  Ralph Maier certainly gives us
   something to contemplate.
   Many of us play the vihuela, but very few, if any, play the dedillo
   stroke.  I have dabbled a bit with it, but not made a serious study
   of it, and Maier makes a great case for making another  attempt.  He
   is obviously using bright synthetic strings, and if he used  gut, I
   am certain that the tone emitted from the back side nail would be
   sweeter;  it seems too harsh on synthetics, in my opinion.  But, he
   wrote a great paper, and provides us with incentive to do better.
   That is one thing that in our modern times, we have almost ignored:
   dedillo.
   There is another thing we have ignored, which is the 7-course
   vihuela.  Ward and Bermudo discuss this at length, and they make the
   case for there having been theordinary vihuela in 6 courses, with
   our standard renaissance tuning;  the other is the 7-course vihuela,
   in which entirely different tuning systems were employed.  Ward
   provides us with many names of vihuelistas who performed 7-course
   vihuela, but other than Bermudo's examples, there is no existing
   music for those tunings.  Bermudo states that all the great
   vihuelistas also played 7-course vihuela.
   In particular, Bermudo states this instrument was used primarily for
   doing intabulations.  Yes, some modern players in our times do have
   7-course vihuelas, but I have thus far found nobody in our times
   using the 7-course vihuela as an instrument which utilizes it's
   initial purpose, which is to use various tunings to devise
   intabulations.  All the ones, to my knowledge, use it as having an
   extra bass course, similar to the lute.  This was not the intent of
   such an instrument.
   We have come a long way in our understanding of the vihuela, but we
   have a long journey ahead of us..
   ed
   At 02:50 PM 8/18/2011, Martin Shepherd wrote:
   I can't resist passing this on - fascinating stuff.
   M
    Original Message 
   
Subject: [Le_luth] Dedillo
   Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:08:41 +0200
   From: Sauvage Valery [1]sauvag...@orange.fr
   Reply-To: [2]le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr
 To: [3]le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr
   
   
   Bonjour,
   Un ami m'a fait part de cette page `a propos de technique de main
   droite
   concernant la vihuela, que certains pourraient trouver
   interessante...
   [4]http://www.ralphmaier.com/index_files/Page318.htm
   (en faisant defiler il y a quelques videos de demonstrations)
   Bonne rentree `a tous...
   Val.
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[LUTE] Re: American luthiers

2011-08-07 Thread dwinheld
   http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/
Another name to add to your list is Mel Wong.  I played Mel's
   experimental 'Chinese' lute last September when we were in SF, and it
   was also a nice lute.  Mel is also a very nice person.
   
Best wishes,
   
Ron Andrico
   
 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:15:35 -0400
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: nedma...@aol.com
 Subject: [LUTE] American luthiers

 A guitarist friend of mine - not yet a member here - wants to get a
   lute and asked my advice. He would like to get from a maker in this
   country (U.S.). The only current maker whose instruments I have played
   and can absolutely recommend is Dan Larson, but I think his wait time
   is rather long right now. Others listed in the Lute Quarterly are
   Richard Fletcher, David Fitzpatrick and Ken Brodkey. Has anyone here
   experience with the instruments of any of these makers? -Edward





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