[LUTE] Re: Music for a while

2011-12-14 Thread howard posner
John Dryden (or perhaps Nathaniel Lee, since Oedipus was a collaboration and it isn't clear who wrote which part) wrote: 3. Till Alecto free the dead From their eternal Bands; Till the Snakes drop from her Head, And whip from out her Hands. On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:23 PM, David Tayler

[LUTE] Re: Music for a while

2011-12-14 Thread howard posner
I've reproduced below the part of Oedipus we're talking about, because nobody could make sense out of this discussion without it. It's a scene where Tiresias and his daughter Manto are trying to raise the ghost of king Laius. The parts in italics are sung (I don't know if the italics will

[LUTE] Re: Non-stretchy pegbox leaders.

2012-01-01 Thread howard posner
On Jan 1, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: Stretching of strings between the nut and the peg is causing me severe difficulty in tuning -- I can turn the peg 90 or 120 degrees with no response in the pitch. Lubricating the nut is of course a possibility. A necessity, if you can

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread howard posner
On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Edward Martin wrote: I recall in rehearsals stopping, and inquiring why they did that. They responded that many of the individual violinists tuned sharp, so I can hear myself, and they found that it was easier for them to play that way. The usual answer is

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread howard posner
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Edward Martin wrote: The usual answer is better sharp than out of tune. How silly is that? Playing sharp _is_ out of tune! Well, it's a joke, but like much humor, it's based in experience. If the orchestra is playing at 441 and the flute player comes in at 442

[LUTE] Re: move to steel strings in 20th c Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-08 Thread howard posner
On Jan 8, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Jeff wrote: Research I did a number of years ago points to WWI as a significant contributor to the early 20th-c switch from gut to steel. Within the context of the debate about gut vs. steel strings for American guitars from those years, at least one commentator

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-08 Thread howard posner
On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I find the area of performance practice in the early 20th century to be extremely fascinating. There were a lot of changes that effected the quality of instrumental timbre, but they seem to have happened with little complaint or

[LUTE] Re: move to steel strings in 20th c Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-08 Thread howard posner
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Barrios apparently did use steel on all three top strings, at least at some time. He placed little bits of rubber close to the bridge on his steel strings, presumably to damp them a bit and make them sound more gut-like. The

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: OK, I used the Second Viennese School composers as an example due to the particular concern they had with timbre at a minute level. The issue could just as easily been voiced by Strauss, Mahler, Debussy, Ravel or others. Around the

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I've read portions of it, More than I have, then. but it's quite a large document to browse through. Relevant to the topic of this discussion: What does he have to say about the relative merits and defects of gut vs. steel strings

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I thought it seemed a bit early for Rimsky-Korsakov to be discussing steel strings in much depth. Does he discuss the tone of metal strings anywhere, perhaps even a remark noting them as a new novelty? Metal and steel are mentioned

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote of Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration: Did his ghost finish it for him RT. Of course. Rimsky-Korsakov was like most musicians. On the whole, they don't write well, so they make much use of ghost writers. The name you're

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Hmmm, what about those musicians who write rather well, in many languages, including dead ones? You have to have a ghost writer if you're going to write in a dead language. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: YouTube claiming early music rights?

2012-01-29 Thread howard posner
On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:26 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: YouTube asks me to prove it's Public Domain. I told them it's 18th cenury music, come to us in manuscripts and old prints. And I asked them what kind of prove they want for this. And they haven't responded yet, I take it. They may not.

[LUTE] Re: seeking advice

2012-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: So: is it in any way reasonable for a composer to ask/insist that I put my name on youtube videos? The whole thing sounds so utterly ridiculous and implausible that there must be some other explanation. The only obvious thing I can think of

[LUTE] Re: seeking advice

2012-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Unless we're talking at totally cross purposes (which I suspect we are) a composer has no de facto rights (he's going to come and beat me up?) I think he can get your video removed from Youtube. I see videos get removed all the time, but I'm

[LUTE] Re: Some history questions

2012-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Consider that EGBaron, a journeyman lute personality, considered himself nothing less that an Orpheus. And you can only imagine SLW's opinion of himself. And that is the mindset of the whole lutenism, an entirely apollinian culture. Even if

[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes

2012-02-05 Thread howard posner
On Feb 5, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: While I am also a great admirer of Page's work, I am a little incensed that a reviewer admits to deliberately panning commercial recordings with the intent to advance one point of view. Ethics? Would you be incensed by a reviewer who panned

[LUTE] Big D's fret remarks (was Message for Ed Martin)

2012-02-15 Thread howard posner
On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:20 AM, David R wrote: I was talking to someone the other day about viol fretting, specifically: using old strings as fret gut. Along with some information on that, he sent me this quote from Dowland. He didn't specify John or Robert: therefore doe this; let the

[LUTE] Re: Announcement of lute for sale

2012-02-17 Thread howard posner
On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: 300 Euros. Btw, is it broken?? Well, it's dropped against the dollar and the pound because of the Eurozone crisis, but I wouldn't call it broken. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers

2012-03-13 Thread howard posner
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Tony wrote: The Church's doctrine on liturgical music can be summarized in seven points Doubtless there are listers who know more about this than I do, but this list seems like a compilation of things that have been said on the subject over the

[LUTE] Re: Ban the lute

2012-03-14 Thread howard posner
On Mar 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Monica Hall wrote: There is a paradox at the heart of the Early Music Movement - we like the music but we don't like the way the people who created it lived their lives. But you can't separate the two. You have to try and understand the world in which they

[LUTE] Re: Curch music (was Nazi rules for jazz performers)

2012-03-14 Thread howard posner
On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Edward Mast wrote: A very sad state of affairs, Chris. I never understood the church's - catholic, protestant, or otherwise - desire to revise its music programs to reflect what is going on musically in society; to appear to be more relevant. On Mar 14,

[LUTE] Re: (Not) OT: Music in church

2012-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: By the way, just to demonstrate my negligible writing skills, I deliberately omitted a possessive and began sentences with 'and' and 'but' just to annoy Howard. How did I do? Epic fail, as my twelve-year-old would say. You can't fool

[LUTE] Re: Saturday quote:

2012-03-21 Thread howard posner
At an LSA seminar, Isabelle, whose last name I don't quite remember and could never spell, remarked that Attaignant was the Mel Bay of the 16th century. On Mar 21, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Sean Smith wrote: Ach, dear old Pierre Phalese. We'll always wonder about the back story. As anthologies go,

[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity

2012-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2012, at 9:09 AM, William Samson wrote: Even subtly inauthentic technique (like thumb-inside for baroque lute, or pinky too far from the bridge) can cause the more sensitive souls among us to take to a darkened room and suck our thumbs. Unless you can show some proof that

[LUTE] Re: Right hand plucking position - was Re: Quality vs Quantity

2012-03-28 Thread howard posner
Diana Poulton and Suzanne Bloch knew each other in the 1930's, when they were both in the Dolmetsch fold, and chafing a bit. Bloch wrote about those times in LSA Journal in 1969. There are excerpts on the web: http://www.dolmetsch.com/Dolworks.htm

[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-03 Thread howard posner
On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Tobiah wrote: How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces include both instruments? Are you asking what music was originally specified by the composer for an instrumentation that included lute and recorder? Or what music can be done with a

[LUTE] Re: OT Alert- Music Miking (Micing?)

2012-04-06 Thread howard posner
Micing is normally means using mice. Naturally, the word is normally used by micers. On Apr 6, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Toby wrote: (And, yes. I say mics, so why not micing?). dictionary.com has 'miking', but not 'micing'. The former's root is the word 'mike'. 'micing' looks like 'icing'

[LUTE] Re: All about micing...part II

2012-04-10 Thread howard posner
Some of the responses to the Harmoniis video might indicate that there was some problem with the balance. The continuo balance is good and I could hear the theorbo just fine. On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:26 AM, hera caius wrote: All instruments very authentic copies. Gamba and violin on gut,

[LUTE] Re: Bach’s Lute Suites

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:31 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: There is a general consensus among musicians that Bach never really understood their instrument, because however good his music for other instruments, it's always unplayable on their own instrument. From Letter from an able Musikant

[LUTE] Re: Bach¹s Piano Suites: This Myth is Busted

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: His low opinion of hammerklaviers he saw in Berlin is documented. Inaccurate, I think. Johann Friedrich Agricola related in a 1768 treatise on keyboard instruments that Bach once tried a Silbermann pianoforte (didn't say when or where), and

[LUTE] Re: Bach¹s Piano Suites: This Moth is Bested

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Then why is it possible to state categorically that Bach never wrote for lute? I wouldn't know; I've never said it. How can we assume what Back must have expected? We don't have to assume--when you send music to someone who plays the

[LUTE] Re: Bach’s Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:25 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Did you ever have the doubtful pleasure of attending a concert of the B-minor mass with _real_ Baroque trumpets (without holes instead of the 1960s 'Bach' trumpets which are the generally accepted standard in today's early music

[LUTE] Re: Stringing a lute

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Alain wrote: Hi everyone, When stringing a lute, some people like to cut the strings a little above the nut and tie them with a knot to some non-elastic material like rope or synthetic fiber of some kind that is wound to the peg. What are the advantages of

[LUTE] Re: Bach’s Lute Suites: This Moose is Blasted

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: JSB didn't play gamba either as evidenced by his reassignment of nicely playable lute part in the MatthäusPassion to an impossible one for gamba in the 2nd version. Any gambist would tell you that that gamba part is pure hell. And anyone

[LUTE] Re: Taking CD home

2012-06-26 Thread howard posner
On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Marvin Reiss wrote: there is no viable market place for physical CDs. Our CD inventory which was in excess of 1 million units 18 months ago is now non-existent. So what happened to them all? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Arto. I'm glad to know there are other happy existentialists out there, riffing on the absurdity of it all. Well, one person's absurdity is another's physical science. When I do stroll gigs, I've found that if I stroll too fast the

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Is the Doppler effect what happens when you pitch a theorbo end over end? Pitching a theorbo end over end is an ahistorical practice because it's possible only with a toy theorbo. Maybe Randy Johnson could pitch a theorbo that way... Is

[LUTE] Re: YouTube going too far?

2012-07-05 Thread howard posner
The magic words are public domain. On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:10 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: have answered YouTube with this: I made my own arrangement from the original source, which is a manuscript from ca 1580 (Trinity College, Dublin, MS D.1 21 9 'Ballet Lute Book', page 104). I can provide a

[LUTE] Re: Lute Song by Raymond Scott

2012-07-13 Thread howard posner
On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: the Broadway musical Lute Song, which starred Yul Brynner and Mary Martin. Also the only Broadway appearance of Nancy Davis, later Mrs. Ronald Reagan. I'm curious as to what it was about and if there are any lutes in it. Lutes wouldn't work

[LUTE] What do you call this instrument

2012-07-15 Thread howard posner
Is there a standard name for this sort of early 20th-century lute-guitar-attiorbato whatever? http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/07/24/betty-viereck-formerly-south-hadley And did anybody here know Betty Viereck? To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: A Toy: meaning?

2012-07-31 Thread howard posner
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:33 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: I found my looking glass, sorely needed for the 'compact' edition of the OED If you're really using a looking glass, you're really doing it the hard way. Looking glass is a synonym for mirror, not magnifying glass. (nothing compact

[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread howard posner
On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, co...@medievalist.org wrote: I took a look on eBay just on spec to see what was out there based on your email on this subject. I know nothing of the quality but at first blush, the Roosebeck 7 course seen here

[LUTE] Re: Mmmmmmmmechanical Pegs

2012-08-17 Thread howard posner
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Louis Aull wrote: If you fear a peg slipping, something is not right with your peg/pegbox. Keep the lute in the case This prevents not only slipping, but a lot of tedious playing and practicing, so it's a time-saver all around. -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Mmmmmmechanical Pegs

2012-08-17 Thread howard posner
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Edward Martin wrote: The hall filled with people, and the heat and humidity went up. The gut strings were so stable with pegheds, that we had NO TUNING for the entire concert, with exception of tuning diapasons to a different key!! That in itself is

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread howard posner
On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: But I am indeed surprised if the theorbo has its peg box and neck extension glued to the main neck where they join and yet supports the tension . Some theorbos, at least, are built this way, and the string tension actually helps hold the

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread howard posner
On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:58 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I mentioned this to a friend who is not a musician, but a brilliant scientist. His immediate reaction was that the sharp angle of the string going over the nut to a right angle pegbox would have the same effect as a pulley in

[LUTE] Re: Slightly off-topic

2012-09-04 Thread howard posner
On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: I have no answers for you, but I always wondered what the meaning of that edged tools line was. Is it just a general kind of saying that was popular then, don't play with sharp things as you can cut yourself, or is there another meaning or pun

[LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please

2012-09-09 Thread howard posner
On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote: There's a saying somewhere that if there's a bagpipe in the same room with a lute, you can't hear the lute being played, even if the bagpipe is not. Same thing probably applies to the krumhorn! Not quite. The world hardly has need of

[LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please

2012-09-09 Thread howard posner
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of howard posner Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 8:27 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote: There's a saying somewhere that if there's a bagpipe

[LUTE] On shimming frets.

2012-09-30 Thread howard posner
Keep in mind that nothing lasts forever. But you may be able to rotate your fret, as it were: push the fret toward the nut enough to loosen it, push the knot about course's width away from the fingerboard, then slide the fret into position again, and (as we string players say) viola! the

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: Often, mundane thoughts, Tend to appear meaningful When read in Haiku Mundane though they be, Thoughts, when expressed in haiku Are concise, at least -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: Then it would be best That all communication Be done in Haiku Better for reader But for the one who's writing It would take too long -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: A side benefit Would be that unworthy thoughts Would remain suppressed Some listers will find This whole exchange unworthy So I will stop now -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

2012-10-02 Thread howard posner
I bought my first lute from Kelischek 30 years ago. It was a decent, playable entry-level instrument. I can't speak for what they're selling now, but it's hard to imagine they're peddling junk. On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Ron Fletcher ron.fletc...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have just come

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-06 Thread howard posner
On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Maybe, but then how will you explain a quote from Mace p.66: I have sometimes seen strings of a yellowish color very good; yet but seldom; for that color is a general sign of rottenness, or of the decay of the string.

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:23 AM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: There is also quite a lot of speculation in your answer, So I said at the beginning. however I doubt very much if Mace could be so poetic and enigmatic in the book which was to simplify things. He was defending lute's

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: So you see Mace as an oddball, inaccurate observer, someone quick to jump to odd conclusions, old deaf man who had lost touch with reality, an idiot who constructed an instrument impossible to play etc What I said

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: No offence I hope? I really wouldn't like to take part in an exchange of arguments that go far from the subjects most of the lute-listers are interested in. The listers should be interested in the problems of

[LUTE] eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
Before I depart this subject, I should remind everyone what it is. It isn't about whether you should discredit everything Mace writes, which is not what I've suggested. The question was how to interpret Mace's statement that red strings were commonly rotten. Here are three possibilities: 1.

[LUTE] Re: eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
Try again: I meant to say the word case does NOT appear in MM. On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:16 AM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: What jumps out is that he does not compare the advantages of a bed with those of keeping the lute in its case. But the word case does appear in Musick's

[LUTE] Re: eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
My very dear Jaroslaw; how good to hear from you. On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Then, lets examine your own words without any additions. But with lots of subtractions; i.e. if you're going to parse, you should parse completely, starting with the

[LUTE] Re: OT: unusual combination

2012-10-12 Thread howard posner
Sounds like a toy stylophone. On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:58 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: The cittern list seems to be defunct. So: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNdO5va4CQI Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-17 Thread howard posner
On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: There is also the article by John Hill in Early Music, Vol. 11, no. 2, April 1983, p. 194-208 which does mention the possible influence of the guitar on the lute - Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence

[LUTE] Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-27 Thread howard posner
On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: The word decay reappears several times in the technical part of Music's Monument, always in conjunction with the word rottenness. This can't be coincidental. You may be right about Mace using rottenness in the modern sense of

[LUTE] Re: Bach Violin Partitas

2012-12-18 Thread howard posner
IMSLP has the manuscript in both color (72 MB) and black white (14 MB): http://imslp.org/wiki/6_Violin_Sonatas_and_Partitas,_BWV_1001-1006_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian) On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Dear Collective Ocean of lute wisdom- Can anyone direct me to

[LUTE] Re: John Cage centennial: A Room (played on a lute)

2012-12-20 Thread howard posner
On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude. And if you want a sort of Cage suite, I've found that 2'33 works as well on the lute as it does on piano/ -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: John Cage centennial: A Room (played on a lute)

2012-12-20 Thread howard posner
On Dec 20, 2012, at 5:45 PM, adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote: 4'33 - You're absolutely right, but when I do it, it's two minutes shorter because I skip the first movement--I've never liked it, unlike the other two. BTW, there's video of the full orchestral version at:

[LUTE] Re: Fuenllana

2013-01-02 Thread howard posner
On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Thank you. 1525 seems more likely for his date of birth but 1605 would still make him 80 when he died! It's been known to happen. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Fuenllana

2013-01-03 Thread howard posner
On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: But always with the ever present danger of death by hardware or incorrect opinions. Unlike today... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-26 Thread howard posner
On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Meucci gives a whole series of references which support his contention that in Italian sources the terms chitarra or chitarrino refer to a small lute whatever they may refer to in any other language. Amongst the latest

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread howard posner
On 29/01/2013 14:39, Monica Hall wrote: How do you know that this instrument is a 4-course guitar. There is no way of telling as far as I can see that is intended to be plucked rather than played with a bow. We know for three reasons: 1. The instrument has a flat fingerboard and a

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-30 Thread howard posner
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm sorry you feel so defensive - but what is there to complain about in what I wrote to you? I'm just guessing here, but could it possibly be that you were the only one on the list who didn't understand it was

[LUTE] Re: The English Guitar

2013-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:24 AM, G. D. Rossi ceth...@gmail.com wrote: I've published articles on this topic - it was indeed called English at the time, and several other things as well. I play the JCB in concert regularly and have recorded it, too - it's a delight to play - both parts

[LUTE] Re: The English Guitar

2013-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:17 AM, G. D. Rossi ceth...@gmail.com wrote: thanks, howard. Don't mention it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Newsidler and plucking or not?

2013-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: What makes me prefer my choice is that many, many years ago I happened to sang Elslein in a small group, and the not repeating way resembles so much better to the sound of the that Lied than the other alternative. and

[LUTE] Re: Newsidler and plucking or not?

2013-02-02 Thread howard posner
On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Just in case someone doesn't have the Elslein tabulatures, here you'll find the facsimile of my 1980's handwriting in French(!) tabulature by three Hanses: Judenkunig, Newsidler and also Gerle: I hadn't seen the Gerle

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-13 Thread howard posner
I enjoyed the contrast between the strummed parts and the punteado parts. As it went on, I found myself wanting more dynamic contrast within the strummed parts. Your thoughts are most welcome. The link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3v56-03ajU Chris Well I very much

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I listened to it twice with the music in front of me and I know the piece quite well. As far as the stringing was concerned it was impossible to tell what you had chosen to do, but a high octave string does create this

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: There were one or two places where (dare I say it) some of the lower notes sounded twangy... Yes, that is a actually special type of ornament that I have mastered it to perfection. I call it a mistake. ;-)

[LUTE] Re: Origins of bowing.

2013-02-17 Thread howard posner
On Feb 17, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Christopher Stetson christophertstet...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's all very primate behavior, and fairly deep in our evolutionary psyches, if one can speak of such. That would depend on where one is. I wouldn't bring up evolution at a Republican

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
In the 18th century, of course, the best players didn't have to worry much about string damping because when master lutenists played, their apprentices did all the necessary damping. On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Dan, Don't you have to play

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: There is far more evidence for a legato way of playing. One of the first rules we learn on the lute is to hold down the left hand fingers until they are needed for another note - doesn't this indicate a desire for

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't cutting a note short articulating by definition, regardless of what one does with all the other notes? No. Articulation means lots of things, but none of those things is cutting a note short for no particular

[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. I'm living proof that it leads to no such mastery. -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

2013-04-10 Thread howard posner
On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: Absolute strict time was certainly unknown to them (musicians), we take this idea for granted nowadays because of the mechanical age we live in. Absolute precision is our game not theirs… *Absolute* precision is no

[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

2013-04-10 Thread howard posner
On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:37 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: What they did with that approach was likely as variable as what we do. By which I meant that one person's approach would differ from another's just as we have different approaches today. -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: Frank from Milan

2013-05-09 Thread howard posner
On May 8, 2013, at 11:33 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: The purported Ellis Island name manglings is a myth. Every immigrant's name had to be and was matched to the ship's manifest, and any deviation was massively illegal. As was selling alcoholic beverages in the United States between 1920

[LUTE] Re: Bach tab

2013-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Sterling spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote: You will have to be way more specific. By which he means that Bach more than one prelude in C major. Do you mean the one from Book 1 of the Well-tempered Keyboard? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Lute in North America?

2013-06-19 Thread howard posner
On Jun 19, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu wrote: Total irrelevancy alert: Lake Superior only the largest lake in the world by surface area, not by volume. It is a part of a large system, the Laurentian Great Lakes, that do constitute the largest freshwater system in the

[LUTE] Re: Bream interview on BBC

2013-07-17 Thread howard posner
This is fascinating stuff. He talks about his dealings with Benjamin Britten and Peter Pears, the origin of Nocturnal, his commissioning of other music, and even a bit about the lute, which got exposure in the U.S. from his appearances on chat shows of the sort that did not yet exist in the

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-18 Thread howard posner
On Jul 18, 2013, at 1:03 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There is no evidence that Bach had the gallichon/mandora in mind for this. There's rather stronger evidence than usual for gallichon in German church music and particularly in Leipzig, if not specifically in any

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-20 Thread howard posner
On Jul 20, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Indeed Kuhnau did press (unsuccessfully!) the church authorities for one or two instruments to play continuo which he called gallichons Is anyone aware of some piece of evidence as to what the town council

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach 2

2013-07-21 Thread howard posner
On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I suppose it all depends on whether we try to identify and employ the instrument the composer is most likely to have expected to be heard. The question is not whether we try to identify the instrument the

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-22 Thread howard posner
On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I note that you now have the reference I sent you about Kuhnau's request for gallichon being refused by the authorities: would you kindly pass the information onto the other people you consulted who also were

[LUTE] Re: Fine Knacks text trouble

2013-07-25 Thread howard posner
Try looking up Castor and Pollux. On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been asked by a singer to explain the meaning of a couple of lines from Fine Knacks for Ladies. Frankly I've never understood them either, have any of you? She writes:

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness (but re guitar exams)

2013-08-04 Thread howard posner
On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Mark Seifert seifertm...@att.net wrote: Why the piano chauvinism in modern music? I don't like piano (except maybe Debussy, Rachmaninoff, Chopin, Hummel, Schumann, Tim Story) You might want to check out this dude named Beethoven. Bach firmly rejected the

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-04 Thread howard posner
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: The longer this thread continues, the more I feel like I've gone back 45 years in a time machine. Severe jet lag? This is EXACTLY the situation I encountered as a young Classical guitar student at university all those years

[LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness

2013-08-06 Thread howard posner
On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: Disdain for either early or later music is foolish. Duke Ellington is reputed to have said: There are only two kinds of music; good music and bad music. And since no two persons will ever agree on which is which in every

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