[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-15 Thread David van Ooijen
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earliest reference to 'Greensleeves' in the Sationers' Register is dated September 3, 1580, when Richard Jones was licensed to print A newe northern Dittye of ye Ladye Greene Sleeves. but, the stationers company was chartered by

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-15 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Yes, to my ears the first part is a PA (in triple time), the second is a R. People tend to assert things or repeat plain hearsay. Like the Folia being somekind of R or PA Regards, Stephan Am 14 Oct 2008 um 22:55 hat David Tayler geschrieben: I see in several online sources, including

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-15 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Come to think over it, the lute duet versions do start with the III, though not in all variations. And in the Folia one can indeed find the Romanesca, if you skip the first four measures of the phrases... Stephan Am 15 Oct 2008 um 9:44 hat Stephan Olbertz geschrieben: Yes, to

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-15 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
You are absolutely right, Dana, and I totally concur. I was simply quoting the exact passage of Claude Simpson's book which Arthur Ness did not remember precisely. I never intended to say it was THE definitive solution ! Thank you for your very appropriate precisions. All the best, Jean-Marie

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-14 Thread demery
The earliest reference to 'Greensleeves' in the Sationers' Register is dated September 3, 1580, when Richard Jones was licensed to print A newe northern Dittye of ye Ladye Greene Sleeves. but, the stationers company was chartered by her majesty in 1557 as I recall, the registers may begin as

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-14 Thread David Tayler
I see in several online sources, including the ever dubious wikipedia, that it is listed as a romanesca. Am I missing something or isn't it more similar in many of the the lute settings to the Passemezzo Antico? That is, it starts on I not III ==At 12:31 PM 10/13/2008, you wrote: At 03:21 PM

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 08:54 AM 10/13/2008, Omer katzir wrote: nothing more to say... just pieces from this lovely court, i have two songs written by the king (all i could find by myself right now), greensleeves not included. again, thank you all for your help :-) I must have totally missed the thread that

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Arthur Ness
Isn't Greensleeves described somewhere as sung to the New Tune from the North? =?Ireland? Perhaps the description is from a broadside listed in the Stationers' Register. 1580? I don't have Simpson's book on broadside ballads, alas. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Peter Martin
So are those awful words (Alas my love, you do me wrong, etc etc etc) genuine 1580's? P 2008/10/13 Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Omer, Henry VIII didn't write Greensleeves. That's just a myth which has arisen in more recent times. Nowhere is the song attributed

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Dear Arthur, I checkep up for you in Simpson's Broadside Ballads for Greenseleeves. Here's what Simpson says : The earliest reference to 'Greensleeves' in the Sationers' Register is dated September 3, 1580, when Richard Jones was licensed to print A newe northern Dittye of ye Ladye Greene

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Rob MacKillop
'Lovely'? Rob 2008/10/13 Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] nothing more to say... just pieces from this lovely court, i have two songs written by the king (all i could find by myself right now), greensleeves not included. again, thank you all for your help :-)

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Omer katzir
oh yes, i really like Henry the VIII, i think he was a great king and really nice person. and about green, we all know he didn't wrote that. can be him. On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: 'Lovely'? Rob 2008/10/13 Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Daniel Winheld
Uhm... you might want to arrange a date with Anne Boleyn and a few Catholic priests in a nice, quiet bar somewhere for a couple of stiff ones and a little chat- then get back to us on that. On the plus side he was a fine wrestler and an expert archer, even though Francis I threw and pinned

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread David Tayler
You can say it is a part for a church organ, no duty. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread David Tayler
Lucky to get at him before the eating binge. BTW, Henry VIII didn't write pastime either. d At 10:12 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: Uhm... you might want to arrange a date with Anne Boleyn and a few Catholic priests in a nice, quiet bar somewhere for a couple of stiff ones and a little chat- then

[LUTE] Re: from the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 03:21 PM 10/13/2008, David Tayler wrote: Lucky to get at him before the eating binge. BTW, Henry VIII didn't write pastime either. That would upset Ian Anderson and Jethro Tull who recorded an instrumental version of the tune as King Henry's Madrigal. Eugene To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: From the court of Henry the VIII

2008-10-13 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Greensleeves described somewhere as sung to the New Tune from the North? =?Ireland? Perhaps the description is from a broadside listed in the Stationers' Register. 1580? It's in the Stationers' Register, dated