On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 11:03, Jon Murphy wrote:
You accurately read between the lines that my thrust was for data
exchange. And that my long example of the attempts by some companies to
monopolize the internet (considered a free resource, although it is
actually supported by the owners of the
To illustrate the point, try to convert the absolute notes into Midi
values. You have to specify the start and stop event for each note. The
start event is easy, the flags in the tablature tell you that. Stop
events for one or more notes that follow each other on the same course
are easy too
The notation should be the result of the local program, the
transmission should be the absolute notes.
?!?
hmm, ok, I read into this a desire for some abstracted form of notation in the
file, and on screen or in print a 'presentation' of that. I agree in
principle,
but I disagree that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I contend that the most natural thing to record
is fret position, course number, and flag duration (if a flag is given).
but, a responsible program will of course record much much more information so
that it can format things exactly as they were last edited. When
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:33:26 -0500 Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
snip
Now let's apply the lessons of thirty years of
internet to
music printing software.
snip
. What is needed is a
protocol for printing staff or tabulation, and subsets that print
Italian or
French tabulation -
-The attitudes of software developers are very divergent on the question
of interchange: they go from full cooperation to complete refusal an
denial. My position is that if this serves the interests of the users,
then it should be good. Also, if the owner of the software can be seen
to own in
Alain and Thomas,
I promised to read Alain's long message, it is printed but I spent all of
today driving to a speciality wood supplier to get what I needed for the
proper lute I'm making (to replace the flat back I've learned on). And I've
only scanned Thomas' message.
There is a history, going
Donatella and Alain,
I have a small nit to pick, as a former programmer who is an Ivy League
graduate - and hopefully not dull. The Ivy League isn't the genesis of
programmers who don't know the application (Gates dropped out). Nor is it
really the home of techies. It is more likely that the
Dear Alain and others,
being a programmer by myself I highly appreciate the work and effort put in
programs like Django or Fronimo. I would call both of them professional
products which during the time I followed their development moved far above
the initial purpose to simply enter
:30 PM
Subject: Re: horizontal spacing in tablature
This is where it seems to me, in the past couple of years, a tendency
has grown to consider that small software developers like me, who do it
on the side of their real job, cannot possibly offer the same level of
quality as the big
Thomas,
Yes. Opinions of the suitability (let alone quality) of one program
over the other are all relative.
If you read postings to the Score list, you will see that the really
professional engravers would not touch Finale with a barge pole. They
use Score instead.
Also, there a publishers
My main point here is that in enriching the software and building more
flexibility, the quality of the dialog with the users is really quite
important.
The fact that you are available to the end user is a wonderful thing
and a selling point. Some software has NO support other than a FAQ at
the
by
all other music typesetting developers!
Rob MacKillop
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 February 2005 10:59
To: dongl
Cc: alain.veylit; lute
Subject: Re: horizontal spacing in tablature
And in fact, Matthew Wadsworth, in the booklet of his
Thomas,
Many thanks for sharing this information: it seems to confirm my hunch,
unfortunately. I think of this situation as similar to
the one of luthiers if Yamaha started a line of semi-expensive lutes.
They would not be happy.
Tschuss,
Alain
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Dear Alain and
I'd say: space slightly!
Regards,
Stephan
Am Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:54:59 - schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I may have posed this question to the list in the past, but perhaps it is
time to
do so again.
My admitedly limited survey of historical printed sources shows a diferent
approach to
I also prefer to have spacing. It would be nice to have the possibility of
changing the grade of it.
Unfortunately that isn't possible in django and a little bit uncomfortable in
fronimo at the moment.
But if someone doesn't like it, at least in django he has the possibility to
let the
Markus Lutz wrote:
It is necessary in my opinion to have the tablature as easy readable as
possible.
I agree - and modern spacing makes it much easier.
If one wants to play as historical as possible there's no other way than
playing from facsimile.
Hmm I haven't seen too many music
Do I understand that correctly? You mean one should play by heart ;-).
Or another (heretical) thought: the music stands are missing in paintings (and
photos as well) because the would obscure the view to the musician ...
Best
Markus
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:55:34 +, Martin Shepherd wrote:
MS
Fronimo's spacing is easy to achieve, if you know the
parameters you are entereing (1.5 for most durations).
This is how it will be in version 3.0 because the space between notes
changes in a continuos way. In the 2.1 the space can change only in fixed
steps and you have to set the number of
Now finally to the correct list
-- Forwarded message ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Lutz)
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu (Barocklauten-Liste), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Martin,
now again to you and the net.
Your fwd hasn't made it way to the lute-net, as attachments
Markus Lutz wrote:
Indeed today we (at least I) are very used to read from sight.
As I do read very easily I never tried to play by heart.
Memorizing never was a favorite of mine.
Me too. This is my point - we are so used to taking information from
the printed page we don't give it a
Hi all,
Thanks to Dana for bringing up those questions: it is always a bonus for
programmers when users and other programmers express their ideas
on concrete matters like this. In fact, I have been feeling personally
in the past year or two that perhaps I lost contact a little too much
with the
its final form for printing as you have it in mind.
Being able to integrate a digital image in the program also makes it a
lot easier, more reliable and less physically painful to key because you
don't have to turn your head every other second.
I have 2 monitors, so turning my head is not a
Well, there is another thing that keeps my going: playing with the
software to create some really bad music... You can check my latest
example of this at
http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Prelude/Prelude_orch.html -
A prelude for archlute, bandoneon, cello, bass and tinkle bells...
Alain said:
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: horizontal spacing in tablature
This is where it seems to me, in the past couple of years, a tendency
has grown to consider that small software developers like me, who do it
on the side of their real job, cannot possibly
I prefer some degree of spacing, otherwise notes crossing strings in
a phrase can appear to be stacked rather than linear. I currently use both
Wayne's TAB and Christoph Dalitz's abctab2ps on my Mac. They are not all
GUI and user friendly, but they offer variable horizontal spacing: TAB
Dana,
My preference is to space, I find that it increases legibility. I also
like to group flags for the same reason.
Miles Dempster
On Monday, February 7, 2005, at 06:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I may have posed this question to the list in the past, but perhaps it
is time to
do
My own preference is for historical, tight, unspaced setting; but, how say
the
rest of you? to space, or not to space...
Spacing, defintely. The music engraving program Finale has different 'rules'
for spacing, which are user definable. So we can get tight spacing, but
still proportionally
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