[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
"after 1650" doesn't mean "18th century" though... So what is the earliest minuet in lute literature?... Am 18.01.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Mathias Rösel: You can clearly tell one handwriting from another in this manuscript. There's the major share of pieces in an older style (mano A), and

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Would you mind looking up what is the criteria of the dating of the second scribe? If it's the minuet because it was made popular by Lully, we have ourselves a flawed argument. :) Am 18.01.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Mathias Rösel: You can clearly tell one handwriting from another in this

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Well, it helps, but if there is no actual example, I still know nothing :) Am 18.01.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt: Hi Tristan, no idea if it's correct but I've found this: [1]Konrad Ragossnig: Handbuch der Gitarre und Laute. Schott, Mainz 1978, [2]ISBN

[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell

2018-01-18 Thread Katalin Koltai
Hi Lex The chromatic :) Lex van Sante <[1]lvansa...@gmail.com> (idÅpont: 2018. jan. 18., Cs, 7:57) ezt Ãrta: Hi Katalin, About which Farewell are you going to write? There are two fancy's with this title by Dowland. There is one based on a achromatic fourth

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Ralf Mattes
Haven't played from Doni for a while but I always assumed that that the minuet and some other pieces are (much) later additions to the original manuscript. I never looked at the original, so I can't judge the scribal situation but judging by stile some of the pieces are definitely beginning

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
You can clearly tell one handwriting from another in this manuscript. There's the major share of pieces in an older style (mano A), and additions in a younger style (mano B, after 1650), like mutanze, ceccone etc. The minuet is mano B. Read Dinko Fabris's preface in the S.P.E.S. edition.

[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

2018-01-18 Thread Tristan von Neumann
To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640. The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page between "Ballo di Matova" (very oldschool) and a simple ciacona. Also, this is just halfway through the manuscript.