[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

[Alain Veylit]

   Yes, this is what I meant: lively, yet not in all cases lovely.

   On 11/09/2017 08:13 AM, howard posner wrote:

Sad news. He kept the list alive

You mean lively?

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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

[David van Ooijen]

   I enjoyed, and still enjoy, his editions and found him generous and
   courteous in personal correspondence.
   David
   On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 at 17:32, Mathias Rösel
   <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:

 May I say that I was lucky enough to make his acquaintance. He was a
 generous man. Aharon Polak was his father (author of Al Hastumot
 Bamizmor, a commentary on the psalms), and Matanya's family name
 actually is a compound of his father's initials, as he pointed out
 to me. He was a pilot of the IDF. And he was particularly
 knowledgeable about guitar music and its sources. May his soul be
 bound in the bundle of life.
 Mathias
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 16:48
 Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee
 Sad news. He kept the list alive and his work in publishing was
 significant, although perhaps primarily for guitar players. Perhaps
 the last representant of a generation that considered lute music a
 sub-set of classical guitar music.
 On 11/09/2017 07:35 AM, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote:
 >  yes a rather argumentative guy, who was disliked for his
 comments by
 >  many.I did not miss his bickering on the list.but
 still sad to
 >  lose someone in our community.
 >  rest in peace
 >  Bruno
 >
 >  2017-11-09 10:15 GMT-05:00 Mark Delpriora
 >  <[1][5]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>:
 >
 >   I should add that that the correct spelling of his name
 is Ophee.
 >   His publishing company is named Editions Orphee,
 resulting in
 >eternal
 >   confusion
 >   He hated that!
 >   RIP
 >   Sent from my iPhone
 >   On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:57 AM, [1][2][6]terli...@aol.com
 wrote:
 >   Hi All,
 >   I have not seen this posted here:
 >   Guitarist, publisher, editor, scholar Matanya Orphee
 passed away
 >on
 >   November 6th at 6:00 p.m.
 >   Matanya was an extraordinary man: incredibly productive,
 >controversial,
 >   combative and generous.
 >   He made some great contributions to the guitar
 literature not
 >least of
 >   which is advocating and publishing and even
 commissioning works
 >for
 >   Russian 7 string guitar.
 >   He also published some lute editions.
 >   I am grateful to him as the publisher of 5 of my works.
 >   I believe Matanya had the rare distinction of being
 kicked off
 >this
 >   list.
 >   [2][3][7]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
 >   Best,
 >   Mark Delpriora
 >   --
 >References
 >   1. mailto:[4][8]terli...@aol.com
 >   2. [5][9]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
 >
 >  To get on or off this list see list information at
 >  [6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 >
 >  --
 >
 > References
 >
 >  1. mailto:[11]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
 >  2. mailto:[12]terli...@aol.com
 >  3. [13]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
 >  4. mailto:[14]terli...@aol.com
 >  5. [15]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
 >  6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 >

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   [18]www.davidvanooijen.nl
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References

   1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. mailto:terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:terli...@aol.com
   7. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
   8. mailto:terli...@aol.com
   9. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
  10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  11. mailto:terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
  12. mailto:terli...@aol.com
  13. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
  14. mailto:terli...@aol.com
  15. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
  16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  17. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  18. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

[Mathias Rösel]

May I say that I was lucky enough to make his acquaintance. He was a generous 
man. Aharon Polak was his father (author of Al Hastumot Bamizmor, a commentary 
on the psalms), and Matanya's family name actually is a compound of his 
father's initials, as he pointed out to me. He was a pilot of the IDF. And he 
was particularly knowledgeable about guitar music and its sources. May his soul 
be bound in the bundle of life.

Mathias



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Alain Veylit
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 16:48
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

Sad news. He kept the list alive and his work in publishing was significant, 
although perhaps primarily for guitar players. Perhaps the last representant of 
a generation that considered lute music a sub-set of classical guitar music.


On 11/09/2017 07:35 AM, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote:
> yes a rather argumentative guy, who was disliked for his comments by
> many.   I did not miss his bickering on the list.   but still sad to
> lose someone in our community.
> rest in peace
> Bruno
>
> 2017-11-09 10:15 GMT-05:00 Mark Delpriora
> <[1]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>
>  I should add that that the correct spelling of his name is Ophee.
>  His publishing company is named Editions Orphee, resulting in
>   eternal
>  confusion
>  He hated that!
>  RIP
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:57 AM, [1][2]terli...@aol.com wrote:
>  Hi All,
>  I have not seen this posted here:
>  Guitarist, publisher, editor, scholar Matanya Orphee passed away
>   on
>  November 6th at 6:00 p.m.
>  Matanya was an extraordinary man: incredibly productive,
>   controversial,
>  combative and generous.
>  He made some great contributions to the guitar literature not
>   least of
>  which is advocating and publishing and even commissioning works
>   for
>  Russian 7 string guitar.
>  He also published some lute editions.
>  I am grateful to him as the publisher of 5 of my works.
>  I believe Matanya had the rare distinction of being kicked off
>   this
>  list.
>  [2][3]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
>  Best,
>  Mark Delpriora
>  --
>   References
>  1. mailto:[4]terli...@aol.com
>  2. [5]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> 2. mailto:terli...@aol.com
> 3. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
> 4. mailto:terli...@aol.com
> 5. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
> 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>

[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

[howard posner]

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alain Veylit  wrote:
> 
> Sad news. He kept the list alive

You mean lively?



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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee

[Alain Veylit]

Sad news. He kept the list alive and his work in publishing was 
significant, although perhaps primarily for guitar players. Perhaps the 
last representant of a generation that considered lute music a sub-set 
of classical guitar music.



On 11/09/2017 07:35 AM, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote:

yes a rather argumentative guy, who was disliked for his comments by
many.   I did not miss his bickering on the list.   but still sad to
lose someone in our community.
rest in peace
Bruno

2017-11-09 10:15 GMT-05:00 Mark Delpriora
<[1]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>:

 I should add that that the correct spelling of his name is Ophee.
 His publishing company is named Editions Orphee, resulting in
  eternal
 confusion
 He hated that!
 RIP
 Sent from my iPhone
 On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:57 AM, [1][2]terli...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi All,
 I have not seen this posted here:
 Guitarist, publisher, editor, scholar Matanya Orphee passed away
  on
 November 6th at 6:00 p.m.
 Matanya was an extraordinary man: incredibly productive,
  controversial,
 combative and generous.
 He made some great contributions to the guitar literature not
  least of
 which is advocating and publishing and even commissioning works
  for
 Russian 7 string guitar.
 He also published some lute editions.
 I am grateful to him as the publisher of 5 of my works.
 I believe Matanya had the rare distinction of being kicked off
  this
 list.
 [2][3]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
 Best,
 Mark Delpriora
 --
  References
 1. mailto:[4]terli...@aol.com
 2. [5]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/

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5. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[gary digman]

Dear Roman;
 I have no opinion at all regarding the comparative merits of Arthur's
or Matanya's views except to say that Matanya's ad hominem postings
concerning Arthur were very insulting and Arthur's postings were restrained
and professional arguments ad rem. I just felt that it was not quite kosher
to continue to denigrate Matanya and his views on this list after he had
been removed and thus could not respond, at least not here. I have the
greatest respect for Arthur's scholarship and knowledge of the lute and its
music. I also respect Matanya's publication efforts. I can't even remember
what the original dispute between Arthur and Matanya was about. I think it
had something to do with whether  a certain composer's name was Leonhart or
Leornardo. I think Matanya's vitriol reflects more on Matanya than Arthur,
and Arthur wisely chose to ignore most of it. I know from previous exchanges
between you and Matanya that there is no love lost between you. But I always
had the feeling that you and he seemed to be enjoying the Zen combat  which
is what made the exchange entertaining no matter how heated it became. But
now, it seems, the fun has gone out of it, and it's just sad. These are my
thoughts on the matter.

All the Best,
Gary

- Original Message - 
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:17 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophy ee and the lutelist


  start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your
 list.
 It isn't mine. It is Wayne's.


  I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of
that
  great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough
for
  this sort of thing.
 Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO
are
 equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that
having
 to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though.
 RT


 
   Best to All,
   Gary Digman
  - Original Message -
  From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
 
 
   MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to
   fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive
 such
  a
   test.
   RT
  
  It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss
Matanya
  and
   his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to
  respond
   and/or defend those views.
   
  Best to All,
  Gary Digman
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[Roman Turovsky]

 Dear Roman;
   I have no opinion at all regarding the comparative merits of Arthur's
 or Matanya's views except to say that Matanya's ad hominem postings
 concerning Arthur were very insulting and Arthur's postings were
restrained
 and professional arguments ad rem. I just felt that it was not quite
kosher
 to continue to denigrate Matanya and his views on this list after he had
 been removed and thus could not respond, at least not here.
I agree entirely, but the few attempts to make a martyr ot of MO required
some chemotherapy.


 I have the
 greatest respect for Arthur's scholarship and knowledge of the lute and
its
 music.
It wasn't made sufficiently clear in you first postings.


 I also respect Matanya's publication efforts. I can't even remember
 what the original dispute between Arthur and Matanya was about. I think it
 had something to do with whether  a certain composer's name was Leonhart
or
 Leornardo. I think Matanya's vitriol reflects more on Matanya than Arthur,
 and Arthur wisely chose to ignore most of it. I know from previous
exchanges
 between you and Matanya that there is no love lost between you. But I
always
 had the feeling that you and he seemed to be enjoying the Zen combat
which
 is what made the exchange entertaining no matter how heated it became. But
 now, it seems, the fun has gone out of it, and it's just sad. These are my
 thoughts on the matter.
Actually, I don't enjoy combats. I much prefer talking about relative
merits of various objects of beauty, both tangible and intangible, and the
ways to make them..
RT



  start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your
  list.
  It isn't mine. It is Wayne's.
 
 
   I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of
 that
   great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough
 for
   this sort of thing.
  Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO
 are
  equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that
 having
  to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though.
  RT
 
 
  
Best to All,
Gary Digman
   - Original Message -
   From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
  
  
MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As
to
fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive
  such
   a
test.
RT
   
   It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss
 Matanya
   and
his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to
   respond
and/or defend those views.

   Best to All,
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[gary digman]

start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your list.
I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that
great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for
this sort of thing.

 Best to All,
 Gary Digman
- Original Message - 
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist


 MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to
 fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such
a
 test.
 RT

It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya
and
 his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to
respond
 and/or defend those views.
 
Best to All,
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[Roman Turovsky]

 start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your
list.
It isn't mine. It is Wayne's.


 I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that
 great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for
 this sort of thing.
Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO are
equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that  having
to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though.
RT



  Best to All,
  Gary Digman
 - Original Message -
 From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist


  MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to
  fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive
such
 a
  test.
  RT
 
 It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya
 and
  his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to
 respond
  and/or defend those views.
  
 Best to All,
 Gary Digman
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[Alain Veylit]

See: http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/ for documental evidence.
Alain

gary digman wrote:

Dear All;
  It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his 
 views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond 
 and/or defend those views.

  Best to All,
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[Dante Rosati]

Allow me to add that MO used to run a guitar list himself (now defunct). He
kicked me off the list after I opined that  publishing 3rd and 4th rate
guitar music from the 19th century (in critical editions no less) was a
waste of scholarly energy, so evidently he is in favor of list control and
censorship and can hardly complain when such measures are applied to him.
Karma in action.

The funny thing I remember about it (before I was booted) was that MO and
Gilardino were bragging about how skilled they were at wading through mounds
of bad contemporary guitar compositions to find the few good ones to
publish. I asked why it was important to find only the good contemporary
compositions to publish, whereas (apparently) anything from the 19th c. was
publishable no matter how bad it was. I never got an answer as I was
unsubscribed forcibly by the list-fuhrer at that point.

Dante

-Original Message-
From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:18 AM
To: lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Matanya Ophee and the lutelist


Dear All;
  It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss
Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the
opportunity to respond and/or defend those views.

  Best to All,
  Gary Digman
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[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist

[Roman Turovsky]

MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to
fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a
test.
RT

   It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and
his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond
and/or defend those views.

   Best to All,
   Gary Digman
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