Re: Beamer example

2014-05-08 0:25 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: could we delete other languages present in the beamer manual? I just tried to compile it on standard kubuntu install and get many 'unknown option ngerman. either you misspelled it...' from babel. I understand that it might be something

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 6:50 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: Hi, sorry to crash the release party but after creating beamer file in 2.1.x and trying to load it in 2.0.x I still see bunch of strange errors: Text.cpp (1766): Handling unknown body token: `\end_layout' LyX: \end_deeper: depth is already null

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: Don't see this with current branch. Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen Jürgen

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 07. mai 2014 09:36, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Try to use a modern font like Dejavu Serif, or maybe Garamond on windows. Do you see some kerning? For example, in the string AV, the bottom of the A should overlap with the top of the V. In such a case, when a selection ends between the A and

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Am 08.05.2014 um 11:33 schrieb Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no: On 07. mai 2014 09:36, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Try to use a modern font like Dejavu Serif, or maybe Garamond on windows. Do you see some kerning? For example, in the string AV, the bottom of the A should overlap with

Re: Plans for python support on lyx-2.2

Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2014 um 15:18:42, schrieb José Matos jama...@lyx.org On Wednesday 07 May 2014 11:23:48 Kornel Benko wrote: At least prints could be rewritten with import sys ... sys.out.write(...) or output = open(...) output.write()

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 08. mai 2014 12:22, Stephan Witt wrote: Currently the drawing of LyX is not appropriate for high resolution displays. I'm afraid your suggestion is not suitable to improve this. I didn't know that. In that case, the background only selection seems like a good alternative. The trick

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Hi to all, I have already signaled, some time ago I think, that this behaviour is somewhat cumbersome, and that the students (doctoral and post-doctoral students) to whom I was teaching LyX as a general front end to everything (R, PDF, etc.) were somewhat baffled by the operations necessary

Re: lyx.desktop.in with absolute paths

Am Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 um 21:47:59, schrieb Kornel Benko kor...@lyx.org Am Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 um 21:35:23, schrieb Enrico Forestieri for...@lyx.org On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 08:44:18PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote: I cannot get it to be shown in menu. Most probably you have

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 12:37 GMT+02:00 Murat Yildizoglu: We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here. Let me stress, in case it has

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 06/05/2014 11:06, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: 04/05/2014 22:14, Vincent van Ravesteijn: When selecting the first character, I see two things: 1) the connection between characters is lost (in master this is not the case) 2) the first character actually moves to the right on selection (while

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 11:33, Helge Hafting a écrit : This yields two bitmaps that can be combined to a bicolor string with no changes to kerning or ligatures. Use part of one bitmap before the cursor position, and the other bitmap after the cursor position. Hopefully, the windowing system can do this with

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 18:45, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : I don't read Arabic but my wife does. I'll see if I can find time over the week-end to compile your branch. Thanks, you're a sweetheart. I already know that cursor positioning is wrong, but I am not sure yet how to make this work. If smething

Re: [LyX/master] Beamer block conversion: consider ERT arguments with leading/trailing blanks

On 05/08/2014 09:14 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: commit 769b585176a78bc9a1380190e145aafdbe7d3a17 Author: Juergen Spitzmueller sp...@lyx.org Date: Thu May 8 15:14:44 2014 +0200 Beamer block conversion: consider ERT arguments with leading/trailing blanks Should also go to

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2014 um 18:57:02, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org Le 08/05/14 11:33, Helge Hafting a écrit : This yields two bitmaps that can be combined to a bicolor string with no changes to kerning or ligatures. Use part of one bitmap before the cursor position,

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 19:14, Kornel Benko a écrit : Assume that I want to draw abcde and bcd is selected. Then I will draw the string twice: Or three times? a bcd e That is what I want to avoid. In Arabic, for example, 'a' will may a different shape depending on whether it is at the end of a word or

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: Don't see this with current branch. Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. Don't have time to investigate

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 19:39 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. Don't have time to investigate now. OK. But this is certainly not enough information to debug. Jürgen Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: All feedback is received and noted. I tried to fight new beamer ui yesterday and I noticed these points: - suggested trick to create new frame alt+p+(shift)+return is not really helpfull is most cases. Typical situation - I want to create new frame after finishing

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 19:39 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. Don't have time to investigate now. OK. But this is certainly not enough information to debug. The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't help you

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 20:03 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't help you reproduce? P No. A 2.1 file would be better. Jürgen

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 20:03 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't help you reproduce? P No. A 2.1 file would be better. It is 2.1 file. Are you sure you didn't save the file meanwhile? P

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 20:11 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: It is 2.1 file. Are you sure you didn't save the file meanwhile? P Oh, I see. I'll see if I find some time eventually. Jürgen

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to go that way)? Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster for experienced users, though.

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:41:09AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: Don't see this with current branch. Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen, it seems that there is a problem when inserting

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Julio Rojas wrote: Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster for experienced users, though. No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes the document more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases. Fragile because it's

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

2014-05-08 20:42 GMT+02:00 Enrico Forestieri: Jürgen, it seems that there is a problem when inserting an EndFrame layout. Seemingly, these layouts are always enclosed in extra \end_layout and \end_deeper tags. The attached patch against stable let me export Pavel's example file to 2.0

Re: lyx2lyx beamer

On 05/08/2014 02:42 PM, Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:41:09AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: Don't see this with current branch. Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen,

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Julio Rojas wrote: Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster for experienced users, though. No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes the document more fragile and more

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so testing of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time. So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 03:13:53PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively could come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely best

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schreef op 8-5-2014 19:18: Le 08/05/14 19:14, Kornel Benko a écrit : Assume that I want to draw abcde and bcd is selected. Then I will draw the string twice: Or three times? a bcd e That is what I want to avoid. In Arabic, for example, 'a' will may a different shape

Re: LyX bouncing on start OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 07.05.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Sam Birch sam.m.bi...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote: Benjamin Piwowarski schreef op 7-5-2014 10:45: This could be related to python -

Re: LyX bouncing on start OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Am 08.05.2014 um 22:59 schrieb Sam Birch sam.m.bi...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 07.05.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Sam Birch sam.m.bi...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote: Benjamin

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote: I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so testing of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Nah, Liviu, thanks for the suggestion but downgrading is never a good solution. I have been working this whole week with Beamer on 2.1 and let's say that the new UI is the least of my concerns. ;) - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, May 8,

Re: Beamer example

2014-05-08 0:25 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda : > could we delete other languages present in the beamer manual? > I just tried to compile it on standard kubuntu install and get > many 'unknown option ngerman. either you misspelled it...' > from babel. > I understand that it might be

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 6:50 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: > Hi, > > sorry to crash the release party but after creating beamer file in 2.1.x > and trying to load it in 2.0.x > > I still see bunch of strange errors: > Text.cpp (1766): Handling unknown body token: `\end_layout' > LyX: \end_deeper: depth is already

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller : > Don't see this with current branch. > Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen > > Jürgen > > >

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 07. mai 2014 09:36, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Try to use a modern font like Dejavu Serif, or maybe Garamond on windows. Do you see some kerning? For example, in the string "AV", the bottom of the A should overlap with the top of the V. In such a case, when a selection ends between the A

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Am 08.05.2014 um 11:33 schrieb Helge Hafting : > On 07. mai 2014 09:36, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> Try to use a modern font like Dejavu Serif, or maybe Garamond on >> windows. Do you see some kerning? For example, in the string "AV", the >> bottom of the A should

Re: Plans for python support on lyx-2.2

Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2014 um 15:18:42, schrieb José Matos > On Wednesday 07 May 2014 11:23:48 Kornel Benko wrote: > > At least prints could be rewritten with > > import sys > > ... > > sys.out.write(...) > > or > > output = open(...) > >

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 08. mai 2014 12:22, Stephan Witt wrote: Currently the drawing of LyX is not appropriate for high resolution displays. I'm afraid your suggestion is not suitable to improve this. I didn't know that. In that case, the "background only" selection seems like a good alternative. The trick

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Hi to all, I have already signaled, some time ago I think, that this behaviour is somewhat cumbersome, and that the students (doctoral and post-doctoral students) to whom I was teaching LyX as a general front end to everything (R, PDF, etc.) were somewhat baffled by the operations necessary

Re: lyx.desktop.in with absolute paths

Am Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 um 21:47:59, schrieb Kornel Benko > Am Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 um 21:35:23, schrieb Enrico Forestieri > > > On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 08:44:18PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote: > > > > > > I cannot get it to be shown in menu. > > > > Most

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 12:37 GMT+02:00 Murat Yildizoglu: > We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that > should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new > criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here. > Let me stress, in case it

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

On 06/05/2014 11:06, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: 04/05/2014 22:14, Vincent van Ravesteijn: When selecting the first character, I see two things: 1) the connection between characters is lost (in master this is not the case) 2) the first character actually moves to the right on selection (while

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 11:33, Helge Hafting a écrit : This yields two bitmaps that can be combined to a bicolor string with no changes to kerning or ligatures. Use part of one bitmap before the cursor position, and the other bitmap after the cursor position. Hopefully, the windowing system can do this with

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 18:45, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : I don't read Arabic but my wife does. I'll see if I can find time over the week-end to compile your branch. Thanks, you're a sweetheart. I already know that cursor positioning is wrong, but I am not sure yet how to make this work. If smething

Re: [LyX/master] Beamer block conversion: consider ERT arguments with leading/trailing blanks

On 05/08/2014 09:14 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: commit 769b585176a78bc9a1380190e145aafdbe7d3a17 Author: Juergen Spitzmueller Date: Thu May 8 15:14:44 2014 +0200 Beamer block conversion: consider ERT arguments with leading/trailing blanks Should also go to

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2014 um 18:57:02, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes > Le 08/05/14 11:33, Helge Hafting a écrit : > > This yields two bitmaps that can be combined to a bicolor string with no > > changes to kerning or ligatures. Use part of one bitmap before the > > cursor

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Le 08/05/14 19:14, Kornel Benko a écrit : Assume that I want to draw "abcde" and "bcd" is selected. Then I will draw the string twice: Or three times? a bcd e That is what I want to avoid. In Arabic, for example, 'a' will may a different shape depending on whether it is at the end of a word

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller : > > > Don't see this with current branch. > > > > Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. Don't have time to

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 19:39 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: > Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. > Don't have time to investigate now. > OK. But this is certainly not enough information to debug. Jürgen > > Pavel >

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > All feedback is received and noted. I tried to fight new beamer ui yesterday and I noticed these points: - suggested trick to create new frame alt+p+(shift)+return is not really helpfull is most cases. Typical situation - I want to create new frame after finishing

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > 2014-05-08 19:39 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda: > > > Looks like lyx2lyx won't preserve \begin_deeper \end_deeper pairs. > > Don't have time to investigate now. > > > > OK. But this is certainly not enough information to debug. The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 20:03 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda : > The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't help you reproduce? P > No. A 2.1 file would be better. Jürgen

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > 2014-05-08 20:03 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda : > > > The attached lyx file in previous mail didn't help you reproduce? P > > > > No. A 2.1 file would be better. It is 2.1 file. Are you sure you didn't save the file meanwhile? P

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 20:11 GMT+02:00 Pavel Sanda : > It is 2.1 file. Are you sure you didn't save the file meanwhile? P > Oh, I see. I'll see if I find some time eventually. Jürgen

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the > 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

> > Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the > previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to > go that way)? Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster for experienced users, though.

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:41:09AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller : > > > Don't see this with current branch. > > > > Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen, it seems that there is a problem when

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Julio Rojas wrote: > Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster > for experienced users, though. No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes the document more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases. Fragile because it's

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

2014-05-08 20:42 GMT+02:00 Enrico Forestieri: > Jürgen, it seems that there is a problem when inserting an EndFrame layout. > Seemingly, these layouts are always enclosed in extra \end_layout and > \end_deeper tags. The attached patch against stable let me export Pavel's > example file to 2.0

Re: lyx2lyx & beamer

On 05/08/2014 02:42 PM, Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:41:09AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-05-08 8:29 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller : Don't see this with current branch. Ah, you talk about opening in 2.0.x. Can you track it down further? Jürgen,

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Julio Rojas wrote: Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster for experienced users, though. No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes the document more fragile and more

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my academic life in which everything is on the "production" branch, so testing of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time. So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 03:13:53PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively could > come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did > the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely >

Re: Call for testers: the features/str-metrics branch

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schreef op 8-5-2014 19:18: Le 08/05/14 19:14, Kornel Benko a écrit : Assume that I want to draw "abcde" and "bcd" is selected. Then I will draw the string twice: Or three times? a bcd e That is what I want to avoid. In Arabic, for example, 'a' will may a different

Re: LyX bouncing on start OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Stephan Witt wrote: > Am 07.05.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Sam Birch : > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn > wrote: > > Benjamin Piwowarski schreef op 7-5-2014 10:45: > >> This could be

Re: LyX bouncing on start OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Am 08.05.2014 um 22:59 schrieb Sam Birch : > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Stephan Witt wrote: > Am 07.05.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Sam Birch : > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > >

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: > I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my > academic life in which everything is on the "production" branch, so testing > of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Nah, Liviu, thanks for the suggestion but downgrading is never a good solution. I have been working this whole week with Beamer on 2.1 and let's say that the new UI is the least of my concerns. ;) - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, May 8,