Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-03-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > our main config change is somewhere around 3000. we have trespassed > the load of 10 for a few times from then but system got immediately > back. so i guess the slowness issue is resolved. Looks like it indeed. Congrats. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-03-09 Thread Pavel Sanda
> i'll keep my logger running on aussie for some time, to see if we solved this > for > longer ime periods. fyi i regenerated the load after few weeks of run: http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/aussie_load_whole_history.png our main config change is somewhere around 3000. we have trespassed the l

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-15 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> i would give it a try, but you are the root here :) > >> (i'll make some stress test again to see what will happen after such a > >> change) > > > > OK, make spamd children=2, max httpd processes = 15. dont know if this is going to be permanent status, but i'm not able to do the stress test

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i would give it a try, but you are the root here :) >> (i'll make some stress test again to see what will happen after such a >> change) > > OK, make spamd children=2, max httpd processes = 15. I mean that I just did that. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > i would give it a try, but you are the root here :) > (i'll make some stress test again to see what will happen after such a change) OK, make spamd children=2, max httpd processes = 15. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-14 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > JMarc, do you see some problem with the lowering of both services > > childern? please at least restart them, aussie is unusable the whole > > day and both services seem get into mutual lockup. > > Looks like everything is OK now (I did nothing today). Do you still > want me to lower the two c

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > JMarc, do you see some problem with the lowering of both services > childern? please at least restart them, aussie is unusable the whole > day and both services seem get into mutual lockup. Looks like everything is OK now (I did nothing today). Do you sti

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, it could be done like this for instance. * Take the path to the file in question, convert it to a hashed filename. * Check the cache directory for a file with this hashed filename * If it doesn't exist or is older than some threshold, save/dow

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > > > this is _far_too_high_ and i suggest we should still go down with > > > > the number of maxclients; there is no point in allowing 24 apaches > > > > when their only work is swapping the whole box to death. > > > > > > > > i have observed that 8 processes are able to qork on some 0.x load, s

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Richard Heck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: > so adjusting some 12 childern wont have effect on normal traffic while > could significantly inhibit swapping when somebody starts playing with > trac. Regarding Trac, the "user

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Richard Heck
José Matos wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008 17:05:08 Richard Heck wrote: This is complicated under Fedora. There are ways to upgrade "on the fly", then reboot, but this is not trivial and can lead to problems. It's one of the less desirable facts about Fedora. The approved method is to re

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:13:43AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: > >> so adjusting some 12 childern wont have effect on normal traffic while >> could significantly inhibit swapping when somebody starts playing with >> trac. > > Regarding Trac, the "user

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 17:05:08 Richard Heck wrote: > This is complicated under Fedora. There are ways to upgrade "on the > fly", then reboot, but this is not trivial and can lead to problems. > It's one of the less desirable facts about Fedora. The approved method > is to reboot using an in

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Richard Heck
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Can we do that without reinstalling a newer linux distribution? Why not upgrading to the latest Fedora by the way? I guess (hope) that Fedora provide easy upgrade without the need to reinstall, doesn't it? This is complicated under Fedora

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Richard Heck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: so adjusting some 12 childern wont have effect on normal traffic while could significantly inhibit swapping when somebody starts playing with trac. Regarding Trac, the "user base" might be larger than you think as some of the

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > > this is _far_too_high_ and i suggest we should still go down with > > > the number of maxclients; there is no point in allowing 24 apaches > > > when their only work is swapping the whole box to death. > > > > > > i have observed that 8 processes are able to qork on some 0.x load, so > > > t

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > this is _far_too_high_ and i suggest we should still go down with > > the number of maxclients; there is no point in allowing 24 apaches > > when their only work is swapping the whole box to death. > > > > i have observed that 8 processes are able to qork on some 0.x load, so this > > is > > t

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 10:18:37AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >Can we do that without reinstalling a newer linux distribution? > > Why not upgrading to the latest Fedora by the way? I guess (hope) that > Fedora provide easy upgrade without the need to reinstal

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > this is _far_too_high_ and i suggest we should still go down with > the number of maxclients; there is no point in allowing 24 apaches > when their only work is swapping the whole box to death. > > i have observed that 8 processes are able to qork on some 0

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Can we do that without reinstalling a newer linux distribution? > > Why not upgrading to the latest Fedora by the way? I guess (hope) that > Fedora provide easy upgrade without the need to reinstall, doesn't it? I woul

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> I noticed/suspected too that you were browsing trac at the time where the >> bump happened on the graph. Do you use rss feeds? > > No, I just browsed it with a plain web browser (konqueror). I used nothing > but the standard view, where the changes are colored. Howev

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Can we do that without reinstalling a newer linux distribution? Why not upgrading to the latest Fedora by the way? I guess (hope) that Fedora provide easy upgrade without the need to reinstall, doesn't it? I certainly wouldn't mind a few hours of unavailability if

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Couldn't you at least upgrade some of the components? Trac is at 10.4 and we are still using 10.2, the changelog seems to say that the fix are important: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog I am not sure the fixes

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Couldn't you at least upgrade some of the components? Trac is at 10.4 > and we are still using 10.2, the changelog seems to say that the fix > are important: > > http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog I am not sure the fixes would make a difference

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Should be done now. yep, i'm gonna test it. i used trac to make stress test for the system. i send a lot of various request to certain trac pages for cca 5 min and waited cca 10min to have all pages showed in browser. in that time aussie load reached 24 https processes (you

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Should be done now. yep, i'm gonna test it. i used trac to make stress test for the system. i send a lot of various request to certain trac pages for cca 5 min and waited cca 10min to have all pages showed in browser. in that time aussie load reached 24 https processes (you

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: so adjusting some 12 childern wont have effect on normal traffic while could significantly inhibit swapping when somebody starts playing with trac. Regarding Trac, the "user base" might be larger than you think as some of the wiki pages embed files fro

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> i have observed that 8 processes are able to qork on some 0.x load, so this is > the lower bound and i would say lets put the higher bound somewhere between > 12-15. ... more thinking about this... another justification for the numbers above could be done this way: in the stress test max vss h

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > Should be done now. > > yep, i'm gonna test it. i used trac to make stress test for the system. i send a lot of various request to certain trac pages for cca 5 min and waited cca 10min to have all pages showed in browser. in that time aussie load reached 24 https processes (you can see the pe

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > Should be done now. yep, i'm gonna test it. pavel

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > JMarc, could you try to change the line in httpd.conf > MaxClients 48 > > into eg 24 and restart httpd? > > > we can give it some trac-test to see how will aussie manage it. Should be done now. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > >> > there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. > >> > >> Is it the number of children that causes problems? There is also a > >> spamd process that has grown to +100M virtual memory. > > > > loo

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 06:22:02PM +0100, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > > I noticed/suspected too that you were browsing trac at the time where > > > > the > > > > bump happened on the graph. Do you use rss feeds? > > > > > > No, I just browsed it with a plain web browser (konqueror). I used nothing >

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > > I noticed/suspected too that you were browsing trac at the time where the > > > bump happened on the graph. Do you use rss feeds? > > > > No, I just browsed it with a plain web browser (konqueror). I used nothing > > but the standard view, where the changes are colored. > > BTW WebSVN looks

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> look on my reply to Sven. i guess many medium-sized httpd processes is the > >> cause. > > > > now i have caught the peak online > > Is there a way to know what these httpd children do? either log settings or strace -p (plus some other options) ? i guess they just sleep, once a minute they

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > I noticed/suspected too that you were browsing trac at the time where the > > bump happened on the graph. Do you use rss feeds? > > No, I just browsed it with a plain web browser (konqueror). I used nothing > but the standard view, where the changes are colored. BTW W

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> look on my reply to Sven. i guess many medium-sized httpd processes is the >> cause. > > now i have caught the peak online Is there a way to know what these httpd children do? JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> look on my reply to Sven. i guess many medium-sized httpd processes is the > cause. now i have caught the peak online load average: 20.40, 22.81, 17.49 30277 0.0 1.1 22208 2836 ?Ss Feb07 0:06 /usr/sbin/httpd 10213 0.6 1.2 29972 3124 ?S17:47 0:07 /usr/sbin/h

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I noticed/suspected too that you were browsing trac at the time where the > bump happened on the graph. Do you use rss feeds? No, I just browsed it with a plain web browser (konqueror). I used nothing but the standard view, where the changes are colored. Jürgen

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pavel Sanda wrote: >> look again on the picture, i made more zoomed view. >> i would say there is stronger correlation with the green line - especially >> look on the start of the peaks. > > Today, I noticed that it started to slow down while I was

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > look again on the picture, i made more zoomed view. > > i would say there is stronger correlation with the green line - especially > > look on the start of the peaks. > > Today, I noticed that it started to slow down while I was heavily browing > trac. Could this be so evil? this is easy to

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote: > look again on the picture, i made more zoomed view. > i would say there is stronger correlation with the green line - especially > look on the start of the peaks. Today, I noticed that it started to slow down while I was heavily browing trac. Could this be so evil? Jürgen

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> i'm not sure about anything, because i dont have read access to aussie logs. > > No you for for httpd. Erm. "Now you can for httpd". JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > >> > there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. > >> > >> Is it the number of children that causes problems? There is also a > >> spamd process that has grown to +100M virtual memory. > > > > loo

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i'm not sure about anything, because i dont have read access to aussie logs. No you for for httpd. I am not sure what to do with them personally. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. >> > there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. >> >> Is it the number of children that causes problems? There is also a >> spamd process that has grown to +1

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > > there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. > > Is it the number of children that causes problems? There is also a > spamd process that has grown to +100M virtual memory. look again on the picture

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > > >> watch out, the real fun starts right now. > > > > > > Can you tell me at what time it started? > > > > cat ~sanda/log > > first offense seems to be around 10am today. > > > > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > > there must be some httpd config which bound t

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. Is it the number of children that causes problems? There is also a spamd process that has grown to +100M virtual mem

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:27:13PM +0100, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > >> watch out, the real fun starts right now. > > > > Can you tell me at what time it started? > > cat ~sanda/log > first offense seems to be around 10am today. > > btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. > th

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> watch out, the real fun starts right now. > > Can you tell me at what time it started? cat ~sanda/log first offense seems to be around 10am today. btw i dont think that just restart is the way how to solve it. there must be some httpd config which bound the number of httpd childern. pavel

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> watch out, the real fun starts right now. Can you tell me at what time it started? JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > however the main point was to find correlation between black curve and >> > other >> > curves. now i see we have 3 spamd, so lets wait what will happen when >> > some swap crisis will come again. >> >> I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :)

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > however the main point was to find correlation between black curve and other > > curves. now i see we have 3 spamd, so lets wait what will happen when > > some swap crisis will come again. > > I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) watch out, the real fun starts right now. http://

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> But forwarding spam is a good way to get blacklisted. > > Even if each developer forwards his own mail only to a 'safe' account? Don't know. JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: i have already warned people on list that either gmane or mailarchive have the tendency to throw away certain mails. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but there's been other problems with gmane and missing posts from some users. In that it case it was becau

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
> i tried that a while ago but it didn't work. maybe the access rights where > not set correct? chmod g-w .forward ? pavel

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Bernhard Roider
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: rgheck wrote: As Andre suggested, another option would be to require forwarding, and then people can sort out their own spam. Yes, I think that's the simplest and most useful solution. Is this just a matter of addin

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:10:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> i guess its purpose is to filter spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] address and > >> not doing this filter would mean megabytes of disk space on aussie > >> every day because many peop

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:35:36AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > > I used sourceforge perhaps two years ago, and it was horrible in terms of > > performance at the time. Maybe they're better now, I don't know. > > I have used sourceforge for three years and I do not see any reason > why lyx can not make

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) I do see long delays before mails appears in gmane. I guess the mail server is at fault here. >>> >>> Which mails? >> For example I received a mail from you about Cesar and Brutus that I don't >> see it on gmane... > > Of course th

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that true when it is forwarded to a single address? FWIW, I've been forwarding several mail accounts to a single account for many years now. I haven't noticed any lost emails... With or without spam? I haven't no

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) I do see long delays before mails appears in gmane. I guess the mail server is at fault here. Which mails? For example I received a mail fro

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) I do see long delays before mails appears in gmane. I guess the mail server is at fault here. Which mails? For example I received a mail from you about Cesar and Brut

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) > > I do see long delays before mails appears in gmane. I guess the mail > server is at fault here. Which mails?

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: however the main point was to find correlation between black curve and other curves. now i see we have 3 spamd, so lets wait what will happen when some swap crisis will come again. I am happy to see that it has not happened y

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > however the main point was to find correlation between black curve and other > curves. now i see we have 3 spamd, so lets wait what will happen when > some swap crisis will come again. I am happy to see that it has not happened yet :) JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is that true when it is forwarded to a single address? > > FWIW, I've been forwarding several mail accounts to a single account > for many years now. I haven't noticed any lost emails... With or without spam? JMarc

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
i guess its purpose is to filter spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] address and not doing this filter would mean megabytes of disk space on aussie every day because many people dont forward their mails etc. >>> >>> We should just enforce mail forwarding. >> >> But forwarding spam is

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: i guess its purpose is to filter spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] address and not doing this filter would mean megabytes of disk space on aussie every day because many people dont forward their mails etc. We should just enforce mail forwarding. Bu

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Is this just a matter of adding the file ~/.forward that contains a single line with your email address? Yes, and we should do that now IMO... i.e. put a /dev/null address for all unused boxes there. Then we can get rid of spamd. I never

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i guess its purpose is to filter spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] address and >> not doing this filter would mean megabytes of disk space on aussie >> every day because many people dont forward their mails etc. > > We should just enforce mail forwarding. Bu

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Hans Meine
Am Dienstag, 05. Februar 2008 15:01:05 schrieb Bo Peng: > > Yeah, sf would be moving out of the frying pan into the fire. It's > > veeery slow very often. > > Maybe this is a regional issue? sf.net has been responsive most of > the time (US). As a coincidence(?), I had serious problems acces

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: The performance of SF web hosting is currently much better than two years ago and it's definitely more reliable than the current server. Downloads are always very fast and a regional mirror is selected automatically. We'd have to ask for additional pr

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: rgheck wrote: As Andre suggested, another option would be to require forwarding, and then people can sort out their own spam. Yes, I think that's the simplest and most useful solution. Is this just a matter of adding

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: rgheck wrote: As Andre suggested, another option would be to require forwarding, and then people can sort out their own spam. Yes, I think that's the simplest and most useful solution. Is this just a matter of adding

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: rgheck wrote: As Andre suggested, another option would be to require forwarding, and then people can sort out their own spam. Yes, I think that's the simplest and most useful solution. Is this just a matter of adding the file ~/.forwa

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > Yeah, sf would be moving out of the frying pan into the fire. It's > > veeery > > slow very often. > > Maybe this is a regional issue? sf.net has been responsive most of > the time (US). also few years back, but i have the same experience with the slowness, so finally we decided to mov

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Joost Verburg
Bo Peng wrote: I used sourceforge perhaps two years ago, and it was horrible in terms of performance at the time. Maybe they're better now, I don't know. I have used sourceforge for three years and I do not see any reason why lyx can not make use of it. The performance of SF web hosting is cu

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
rgheck wrote: As Andre suggested, another option would be to require forwarding, and then people can sort out their own spam. Yes, I think that's the simplest and most useful solution. Abdel.

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:54:45PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> The machine (Athlon 2000+) has been bought from the project's fund and >> from time to time Lars asks on lyx-users whether somebody could renew >> the lyx.org name. That is

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread rgheck
Bernhard Roider wrote: Pavel Sanda schrieb: On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rgheck wrote: looking at the RES memory usage, the main consumers are these. what if we start by running less childerns of spamd? 59m 2:32.53 spamd 57m 0:52.08 spamd 37m 1:48.72 spamd Do

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Bernhard Roider
Pavel Sanda schrieb: On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rgheck wrote: looking at the RES memory usage, the main consumers are these. what if we start by running less childerns of spamd? 59m 2:32.53 spamd 57m 0:52.08 spamd 37m 1:48.72 spamd Do we even need 'spamd'? I

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Bo Peng
> I used sourceforge perhaps two years ago, and it was horrible in terms of > performance at the time. Maybe they're better now, I don't know. I have used sourceforge for three years and I do not see any reason why lyx can not make use of it. Bo

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 10:44:59AM +0100, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rgheck wrote: > > > > > >>> looking at the RES memory usage, the main consumers are these. > > >>> what if we start by running less childerns of spamd? > > >>> > > >>>59m 2:32.53 spamd

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> What about http://www.berlios.de/ ? I used that long time ago when they already had subversion, > and SF did not, maybe 2 years ago. Always felt fast at that time. Me not. Since 3 years I use berlios.de for the LyXWinInstaller and when you have a problem nobody every replies on support reques

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Bo Peng wrote: I used sourceforge perhaps two years ago, and it was horrible in terms of performance at the time. Maybe they're better now, I don't know. I have used sourceforge for three years and I do not see any reason why lyx can not make use of it. One reason is the

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Bo Peng
> Yeah, sf would be moving out of the frying pan into the fire. It's veeery > slow very often. Maybe this is a regional issue? sf.net has been responsive most of the time (US). Bo

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > vss should be complete mem (shared and swapped) rss should be resident mem > > (without swap). > > spamd and httpd are sums of all childerns (plus one grep instance;) > > But part of this memory is shared between the children, isn't it? not sure:) but i believe most of mem is used by some tok

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > vss should be complete mem (shared and swapped) rss should be resident mem > (without swap). > spamd and httpd are sums of all childerns (plus one grep instance;) But part of this memory is shared between the children, isn't it? >> Looks like it tries to

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> By looking at ps as a tree, I notice that the spamd children can have > a pyzor child. You cannot see that right now, because I > restarted spamd. i established small script which checks the aussie system info every 5 min. the result is updated here http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/aussie_loa

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> update: i looked on spamd now - one of our restarted 30mb spamd is again on >> 64 mb >> in 5 mins :( > > and update after 10mins: > 165692 32104 > 176652 76524 > 31124 18768 > > so in total memory we are on +270mb in 10 minutes. By looking at ps as

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Stefan Schimanski
Am 05.02.2008 um 14:52 schrieb Hans Meine: Am Montag, 04. Februar 2008 16:50:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: Maybe it would be better to switch to SourceForge or something similar. They provide web hosting, SVN, mailing lists, download mirrors etc., a

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hans Meine wrote: Am Montag, 04. Februar 2008 16:50:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: Maybe it would be better to switch to SourceForge or something similar. They provide web hosting, SVN, mailing lists, download mirrors etc., and it's much more reliable tha

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Hans Meine
Am Montag, 04. Februar 2008 16:50:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: > > Maybe it would be better to switch to SourceForge or something similar. > > They provide web hosting, SVN, mailing lists, download mirrors etc., and > > it's much more reliable than the cu

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> update: i looked on spamd now - one of our restarted 30mb spamd is again on > 64 mb > in 5 mins :( and update after 10mins: 165692 32104 176652 76524 31124 18768 so in total memory we are on +270mb in 10 minutes. p

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Let's see first what happens now that I have restarted. It may be that > 163M for one of the process was some kind of accident. i have followed aussie top for some time and my experience is that this size dynamically changes in both directions. after all look on my mail from few days back - 59,

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > All our investigations converged to the conclusion that -m3 is way too > much considering our physical RAM. So: > > Option 1: let's just try -m2 for now and see if things improve. > > Option 2 (preferred): go straight to -m1, wait a few days and see

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > no, this belongs to spamassasin file. > we have > SPAMDOPTIONS="-d -c -m3 -H" > so we should change m3 to ... hmm m1? This is the big question. I have no idea where to look to see how long the messages take to go through the whole chain. If I look for t

Re: Aussie is *slow*

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > But first we should make sure that -m2 or -m1 is a good value. > > how do you want to assure in an other way than trying it ? :) > i proposed 1 because of seeing one can take 109mb in resident memory > (and 163516mb in total with swap), so even 2 are enough to swap 163 mb of course :) p

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