Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 21:47 , stefano franchi wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de mailto:rai...@krugs.de wrote: I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) but we

Re: Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion)

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nzwrote: On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: /rantI had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men (and women). They all

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 21:47 , stefano franchi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug > wrote: > > I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: > > 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) >

Re: Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion)

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Andrew Parsloe wrote: > > > On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: > >> >> >> I had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month >> and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men >> (and

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: One feature where additional metadata would definitely help are branches. Not necessarily: With use the comment

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: Hi all, Hi Rob, good to hear from you on this topic. I have been following conversations with significant interest. I started a new job in the middle of last year. That combined with an 18-month old little boy have left me almost no time for

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). IMPORTANT: this would NOT change ANYTHING in the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to another

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 14:59 , stefano franchi wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de mailto:rai...@krugs.de wrote: On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged,

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Guenter Milde wrote: On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: One feature where additional metadata would definitely help are branches. Not necessarily:

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 2014-02-10, Georg Baum wrote: Guenter Milde wrote: On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: One feature where additional metadata would definitely help

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). It might be possible to support all LaTeX features, but the cost would be extremely

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

stefano franchi wrote: Anyway: I am willing to mentor a student through the process of producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are necessary, because I would have to learn as much as the student. If Rob can provide some guidance and expert advice (both as a previous

Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion)

On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: /rantI had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men (and women). They all failed to various degrees. In the end, I had better luck converting the file

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: On another note, you should also probably have a discussion about how you want to handle maths. The math XML vocabulary in docx is pretty well contained, but it would still be an enormous job to translate it to LyX/LaTeX. For

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). It might be possible to support all LaTeX

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) Rainer On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: This is not possible.

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) Or perhaps: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Georg Baum georg.b...@post.rwth-aachen.dewrote: stefano franchi wrote: Anyway: I am willing to mentor a student through the process of producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are necessary, because I would have to learn as much as the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: >> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > One feature where additional metadata would > definitely help are branches. Not necessarily: With use the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: > Hi all, Hi Rob, good to hear from you on this topic. > > I have been following conversations with significant interest. I > started a new job in the middle of last year. That combined with an > 18-month old little boy have left me almost no time for

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend >> (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). >> >> IMPORTANT: this would NOT change

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > >>

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 14:59 , stefano franchi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug > wrote: > > > > On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > >> The idea would be that a round-trip

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: >> Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> One feature where additional metadata would >> definitely help are branches. >

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 2014-02-10, Georg Baum wrote: > Guenter Milde wrote: >> On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: >>> Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> One feature where additional metadata

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: > >> This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in >> the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). >> It might be possible to support all LaTeX features, but the cost would be >>

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

stefano franchi wrote: > Anyway: I am willing to "mentor" a student through the process of > producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are > necessary, because I would have to learn as much as the student. If Rob > can provide some guidance and expert advice (both as a previous

Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion)

On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: I had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men (and women). They all failed to various degrees. In the end, I had better luck converting the file from the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: >> >> On another note, you should also probably have a discussion about how >> you want to handle maths. The math XML vocabulary in docx is pretty >> well contained, but it would still be an enormous job to translate it >> to

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: >> >>> This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in >>> the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). >>> It might be possible to

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) Rainer On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: >> >>> This is not

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: > > 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) > 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) > Or perhaps: 1) we would like to have a round-trip

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Georg Baum wrote: > stefano franchi wrote: > > > Anyway: I am willing to "mentor" a student through the process of > > producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are > > necessary, because I would have to learn as

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Jerry wrote: One can hope (right?) that since a commonality between LyX and docx is math that this would be included on the feature set(s). On OS X, the new versions of Word have a built-in math typesetting capability (and thus no longer depends on MathType). Presumably this is allowed by the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). IMPORTANT: this would NOT change ANYTHING in the existing export / import features, as

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Cyrille Artho wrote: The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's re-imported (otherwise there is no point in exporting the data to being with). This can make a clean re-import very challenging. For example: Good: lyx - latex: Store extra data as special LaTeX comments.

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Jerry wrote: > One can hope (right?) that since a commonality between LyX and docx is > math that this would be included on the feature set(s). On OS X, the new > versions of Word have a built-in math typesetting capability (and thus no > longer depends on MathType). Presumably this is allowed by

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: > The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). > > IMPORTANT: this would NOT change ANYTHING in the existing export / > import features,

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >>> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >>> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Cyrille Artho wrote: > The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's re-imported > (otherwise there is no point in exporting the data to being with). This > can make a clean re-import very challenging. > > For example: > > "Good": lyx -> latex: Store extra data as special LaTeX

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

As I was one of the ones who initially raised this issue, let me coment on it. On 02/06/14, 18:35 , stefano franchi wrote: The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). This sounds like a sort of testing framework

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend (docx) to another (possibly odt?

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

Dear all, I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target file itself. The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 11:11 , Cyrille Artho wrote: Dear all, I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target file itself. To quote Coldplay

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

As I was one of the ones who initially raised this issue, let me coment on it. On 02/06/14, 18:35 , stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). This sounds like a sort of testing

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend >> (docx) to another

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

Dear all, I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target file itself. The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On 02/07/14, 11:11 , Cyrille Artho wrote: > Dear all, > I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched > some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a > roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target > file itself. To quote

GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly because the former implies the latter). It is not clear to me if this a coding project or if it defines the outline of

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly because the former implies the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX--docx roundtrip conversion

On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:35 AM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly because the former implies the

GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly because the former implies the latter). It is not clear to me if this a coding project or if it defines the outline of

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined > (possibly because the former implies

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi > wrote: > > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > > > is, at the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:35 AM, stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly > because the former