On Monday 06 June 2005 15:39, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Angus Leeming wrote:
> >>Its download size is huge (23 MB for Perl + Python) for
> >> modem/ISDN users. Ruurd only used the executables perl.exe,
> >> python.exe and sh.exe. Is it possible to include them to the
> >> installer package?
> >
> > Just t
On Monday 06 June 2005 15:54, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > I can certainly adapt the installer to open up a
> > web page pointing to the stripped down version in addition to the
> > official version.
>
> I'll create a wiki page with all needed files.
>
> I think we need
>
> - perl.exe
> - perlx.dll
> - phy
Angus Leeming wrote:
- Is it really necessary to install msys, perl and phthon fully?
Also, why not point the installer to the folder containing Ruurd's
stripped down versions? Or something equivalent.
That's a good solution.
Basically, I don't want to commit myself to creating, testing an
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> See development/Win32/packaging/installer/lyx_path_prefix.C
Angus> which adds shell code to the configure script to generate a
Angus> path_prefix entry in lyxrc.defaults and which goes on to use
Angus> "start" to run "sh.exe configu
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>> - While LyX reconfigures, it doesn't recognize acrobat:
>>>
>>> +checking for "acrobat"... no
>>>
>>> altough it is installed on my system. The reason is that the
>>> acrobat.exe istn't in the PATH but in the registry (as most of Win
>>> programs) under
>>>
>>> HK
Angus Leeming wrote:
Its download size is huge (23 MB for Perl + Python) for modem/ISDN
users. Ruurd only used the executables perl.exe, python.exe and
sh.exe. Is it possible to include them to the installer package?
Just thinking out loud...
Perhaps:
[x] Download the official Python distribut
On Monday 06 June 2005 14:38, you wrote:
> - Your installer asks for several programs. If one of these are not
> present, the installer opens the download/install webpage of the
> programs but jumps to the next step without waiting until the
> missing program is installed.
>
> - Is it really necess
On Monday 06 June 2005 14:38, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> - At last a crash report of your LyX 1.3.6CVS version:
> Go to Edit -> Preferences, choose "Paths" and press one of the
> "Browse" buttons for the working directories. Result CRASH:
Fixed in 1.3.x CVS.
Angus
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> - While LyX reconfigures, it doesn't recognize acrobat:
>>
>> +checking for "acrobat"... no
>>
>> altough it is installed on my system. The reason is that the
>> acrobat.exe istn't in the PATH but in the registry (as most of Win
>> pr
On Monday 06 June 2005 14:38, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Angus Leeming wrote:
> > Find it at http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe
>
> Hi Angus,
>
> first many thanks for your work. I tested it and have the following
> annotations:
>
> - Your installer asks for several programs. If one of th
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>> Also, binary files mean that patch-1.3.6 will not work reliably.
> Angus> I don't follow. Could you explain further?
> Binary file do not appear in patches. Therefore
> LyX 1.3.5 + patch-1.3.6 != LyX 1.3.6
`diff -a` ?
That's true for more than just the files I've
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> Also, binary files mean that patch-1.3.6 will not work reliably.
>
| Angus> I don't follow. Could you explain further?
>
| Binary file do not appear in patches. Therefore
| LyX 1.3
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Also, binary files mean that patch-1.3.6 will not work reliably.
Angus> I don't follow. Could you explain further?
Binary file do not appear in patches. Therefore
LyX 1.3.5 + patch-1.3.6 != LyX 1.3.6
JMarc
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> I propose to add this tree as-is to development/Win32.
>
> Be careful with binary status of the files in cvs.
OK, but that warning applies only to these files in the icons directory.
lyx_32x32_16colors.png
lyx_32x32.png
lyx_doc_32x32_16colors.png
l
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> The archive unpacks to
Angus> I propose to add this tree as-is to development/Win32.
Be careful with binary status of the files in cvs. Also, binary files
mean that patch-1.3.6 will not work reliably.
JMa
Angus Leeming wrote:
> The archive unpacks to
I propose to add this tree as-is to development/Win32. OK?
Angus
> packaging/
> README
> clean_dvi.py
> package_lyxwin.sh
> dtl/
> README
> Makefile
> dt2dv.c
> dt2dv.man
> dtl.doc
>
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
What about this instead?
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435&package_id=82721&release_id=158803
I think it is much simpler for newcomers. The only thing I am not sure
about is whether the release_id tag is stable with new versions.
Thanks, Jea
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Carl Dr. Kleffner wrote:
>>> One comment:
>>>
>>> The reason I did not install minsys was that I did not know which
>>> file to download and install. There are listed hundreds on that
>>> web-site. Maybe you could list what file th
Carl Dr. Kleffner wrote:
One comment:
The reason I did not install minsys was that I did not know which file
to download and install. There are listed hundreds on that web-site.
Maybe you could list what file the user should grab?
Regards,
Asger
I guess you mean msys - minimal gnu system:
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: unknown
> Kopie: lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org
> Betreff: Re: Windows installer --- software probe
> Datum: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:45:06 +0200
>
> One comment:
>
> The reason I did n
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote:
> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> Attached is everything needed to probe the Windows box on which we're
>> installing LyX --- I think :)
> A few other candidates if you are in the mood: Chktex, aspell, xfig, the
> gimp.
I think I'll leave it at what it has. None of the above ar
One comment:
The reason I did not install minsys was that I did not know which file
to download and install. There are listed hundreds on that web-site.
Maybe you could list what file the user should grab?
Regards,
Asger
Angus Leeming wrote:
Attached is everything needed to probe the Windows box on which we're
installing LyX --- I think :)
A few other candidates if you are in the mood: Chktex, aspell, xfig, the
gimp.
I've shoved the resulting executable onto the web at
http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/
Angus Leeming wrote:
Asger Alstrup wrote:
Another bug: When you uninstall, it does not unregister the .lyx file
association.
I don't see this.
It turned out that the Windows icon cache was playing tricks with me. A
reboot changed the icon from the LyX create on a paper back to the Notepad
Angus Leeming wrote:
You can find the resulting installer itself at
http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe. It's 5.8 MB in
size.
just wondering: a colleague wants to install lyx under windows. should he
use this installer or is it better to use ruurd's files...?
thanks & regard
Asger Alstrup wrote:
Another bug: When you uninstall, it does not unregister the .lyx file
association.
I don't see this.
The installer makes the following registry entries:
HKCR\.lyx\LyX
HKCR\.lyx\application/lyx
It removes these on install (see
It does not remove
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
Nah... we don't want to use nsis for something that has the same
problem (and possibly the possibiluyty of the same solution on unix)
And it could just as well be implemented in python as in C++.
Yes, it could, except for the GUI stuff: Explaining to the user what a
Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| (Writing this, it occurs to me that an alternative is to use NSIS for
| some of this.)
Nah... we don't want to use nsis for something that has the same
problem (and possibly the possibiluyty of the same solution on unix)
And it could just as well
Angus Leeming wrote:
Your colleague should install python, perl, minsys, miktex (or similar),
imagemagic and should add these paths to the path_prefix variable in
lyxrc.defaults/preferences.
I recommend installing ghostview / ghostview as well.
See http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/
Michael
Angus Leeming wrote:
Maybe something that would be fun and not too time consuming, allowing
you to participate, would be to write a short paper on the wiki
sketching out this "configure-on-demand" solution. It may be clear in
your head, but it's not in mine :)
Take a snippet like this from co
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote:
So, I just figured that if a rewrite is called for anywhy, why not go
the extra mile for the C++ solution to save those 11 MB? (I just
disagree about Python being vital, especially with a LyX -> PDF server
solution.) But I can't make you walk that extra mile, so I'll
Well, I'll cave in. A python solution is better than no solution, and I
will not complain about progress.
To explain, I consider Python a problem, because it is a 10.7 MB
download. Every extra MB reduces your market. But a nice installer,
which offers to download and install Python for you if
Asger Alstrup wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
>>>The conclusion seems obvious to me...
>>
>> I even remember that the conclusion was spelled out: Use python and
>> nothing else. And it is IMHO the only reasonable choice with regard to
>> the lacking manpower.
>
> Well, well, well. I disagree. I think
Georg Baum wrote:
The conclusion seems obvious to me...
I even remember that the conclusion was spelled out: Use python and nothing
else. And it is IMHO the only reasonable choice with regard to the lacking
manpower.
Well, well, well. I disagree. I think C++ would be better than Python:
- We
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: So it seems that 5.8MB is as good
Angus> as we can get.
>> But you have to add the docs to that, right? JMarc
Angus> Presumably, when LyX 1.3.6 is released, you'll provide a
Angus> lyx_1_3_6.tar.gz sourc
Angus Leeming wrote:
> Asger Alstrup wrote:
>> I was not arguing to kick out the shell configure. Just to add a
>> JavaScript one to fix Windows. That's what libxml and libxslt do.
We can't afford double maintenance.
> * none of us like perl.
> * we have no code written in javascript, lisp, ruby
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> So it seems that 5.8MB is as good as we can get.
> But you have to add the docs to that, right?
> JMarc
Presumably, when LyX 1.3.6 is released, you'll provide a lyx_1_3_6.tar.gz
source distribution, no? I'll (configure, make, make install) that and
build the
Asger Alstrup wrote:
>> Asger> JavaScript comes with Windows (or more correctly Internet
>> Asger> Explorer). You do not have to install anything to get that.
>>
>> You remember we support other OSes, do you?
>
> We do? Why didn't anybody tell me?
>
> > I am not against using javascript, but th
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asger> I was not arguing to kick out the shell configure. Just to add
Asger> a JavaScript one to fix Windows. That's what libxml and libxslt
Asger> do.
I see. I think it would be better to have only one configure for
everything. I for one
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> So it seems that 5.8MB is as good as we can get.
But you have to add the docs to that, right?
JMarc
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>> The executable is 11Mb. Are you sure it is correctly stripped?
>
> Angus> What does "correctly" mean? It works, doesn't
> Angus> it?
>
> I take it you are getting annoyed by my questions :)
Nope, I was being genuine. What else could I do?
> Angus> The executable
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asger> JavaScript comes with Windows (or more correctly Internet
Asger> Explorer). You do not have to install anything to get that.
You remember we support other OSes, do you?
We do? Why didn't anybody tell me?
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asger> JavaScript comes with Windows (or more correctly Internet
Asger> Explorer). You do not have to install anything to get that.
You remember we support other OSes, do you? I am not against using
javascript, but this is yet another scr
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The executable is 11Mb. Are you sure it is correctly stripped?
Angus> What does "correctly" mean? It works, doesn't
Angus> it?
I take it you are getting annoyed by my questions :)
Angus> The executable was built with --disable-debug
Asger Alstrup wrote:
> I attach some parts of some internal NSIS code which does
> something similar.
Thanks Asger. I'll look through this later.
--
Angus
Asger Alstrup wrote:
> Another bug: When you uninstall, it does not unregister the .lyx file
> association.
Well, it is meant to. I used the abiword functions that you posted the
link to...
Section Uninstall
RMDir /r $INSTDIR
ReadRegStr $0 ${PRODUCT_ROOT_KEY} "${PRODUCT_UNINST_KEY}" "Start
Angus Leeming wrote:
Asger Alstrup wrote:
>>[Rewrite configure]
I can do only so much, Asger :)
Yes, and somehow you manage to do it all anyway! It's fantastic ;-)
Looking for minSYS is a bit more complicated because it doesn't write to
the registry at all. The trick, apparently is to look
Another bug: When you uninstall, it does not unregister the .lyx file
association.
Regards,
Asger
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
But we already require python. And what do you mean by 'part of the
OS'?
We only require Python for lyx2lyx, and some of the converters. Besides
that, LyX is fully usable without Python: You can author a document from
scratch, and produce a working PDF without Pyth
Angus Leeming wrote:
Finally a question: did you use the most aggressive 7-zip
compression? 5.8 Mb is a bit steep,
>>
>> Angus> Crappy old zip compression: 8MB. bzip2 compression: 6.7MB Brand
>> Angus> new lmza compression: 5.8MB.
>>
>> And this does not include the docs, it seems.
>>
Leuven, E. wrote:
>> Angus Leeming wrote:
>>> You can find the resulting installer itself at
>>> http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe. It's 5.8 MB in
>>> size.
>
> just wondering: a colleague wants to install lyx under windows. should he
> use this installer or is it better to use
> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> You can find the resulting installer itself at
>> http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe. It's 5.8 MB in
>> size.
just wondering: a colleague wants to install lyx under windows. should he use
this installer or is it better to use ruurd's files...?
thanks &
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> Trivially easy but pointless if I can't get
> Angus> Resources/lyx/configure to run. (Pointless because LyX will
> Angus> refuse to start if it can't find the generated lyxrc.defaults
> Angus> file.)
>
> I think we should change that and have LyX look for anoth
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: As such, I'm quite pleased with the
> Angus> installer. However, it is not yet complete. It should run the
> Angus> Resources/lyx/configure script but doing so will require it to
> Angus> check for/find a unix shell environment. I pla
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Trivially easy but pointless if I can't get
Angus> Resources/lyx/configure to run. (Pointless because LyX will
Angus> refuse to start if it can't find the generated lyxrc.defaults
Angus> file.)
I think we should change that and hav
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asger> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> I see two possibilities: - rewrite in python - rewrite in C++
>> inside LyX. I am not sure how maintainable it would be.
Asger> As I said, other projects have decided to use JavaScript. That
Asger> is
Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> I see two possibilities:
>> - rewrite in python
>> - rewrite in C++ inside LyX. I am not sure how maintainable it would
>> be.
>
| As I said, other projects have decided to use JavaScript. That is
| better than Python, si
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: As such, I'm quite pleased with the
Angus> installer. However, it is not yet complete. It should run the
Angus> Resources/lyx/configure script but doing so will require it to
Angus> check for/find a unix
Asger Alstrup wrote:
> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> I think I'd like to add this to development/Windows. OK?
>
> Go ahead.
>
>> You can find the resulting installer itself at
>> http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe. It's 5.8 MB in
>> size.
>>
>> As such, I'm quite pleased with the ins
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I see two possibilities:
- rewrite in python
- rewrite in C++ inside LyX. I am not sure how maintainable it would
be.
As I said, other projects have decided to use JavaScript. That is better
than Python, since it does not require Python. JavaScript is part of th
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asger> Once again, I'll say that rewriting configure in some other
Asger> programming language would be a scoop. I've seen a few projects
Asger> use JavaScript: libxml, libxslt, but you almost had a shell in
Asger> c++, which I believe wou
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> As such, I'm quite pleased with the installer. However, it is
> Angus> not yet complete. It should run the Resources/lyx/configure
> Angus> script but doing so will require it to check for/find a unix
> Angus> shell environment. I plan to add this support but, f
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> As such, I'm quite pleased with the installer. However, it is
Angus> not yet complete. It should run the Resources/lyx/configure
Angus> script but doing so will require it to check for/find a unix
Angus> shell environment. I plan to
Angus Leeming wrote:
I think I'd like to add this to development/Windows. OK?
Go ahead.
You can find the resulting installer itself at
http://www.devel.lyx.org/~leeming/lyx_setup_136.exe. It's 5.8 MB in size.
As such, I'm quite pleased with the installer.
Me too. Good work!
> However, it
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