Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 01:05 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: Am 19.07.2011 00:05, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Le 15/07/11 22:30, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : I don't agree that implementing it as part of the space inset is a good idea. \textvisiblespace is not a space in the sense of the meaning but a special

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: I still think it is wrong, but I am not going to fight forever on that (what is there a space in foo bar and not foo_bar???). The internal behaviour of a space and a character is different. LaTeX can change the width of spaces to e.g. fit a line into the column margins.

Re: SV: Towards RC4/final release

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: There is the ideal, and there is what we have. The ideal way would be to ensure that the extra paragraph types for running headers appear if and only if page layout fancy is checked. Currently, that can't be done with modules. But at least we have the running headers now,

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Cor Blom
Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 00:06:55 schreef Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Le 18/07/11 23:58, Cor Blom a écrit : Adding bc to BuildRequires solved the problem. Thanks for the help. Interesting, but what does bc stand for? bc: GNU Command Line Calculator After your last remark I looked again through

I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing my moving to there with the family. So don't expect much from me in the coming weeks. Cheers,

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 03:21, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : This doesn't help, because in some cases you need the feature that LyX does not add nothing, no par break and also no newline but to continue with the code right after the command. Looks like a very badly coded macro, then. It might be easier to fix the

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 03:34, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Great news! However, can we please for the future use usernames that are self-explanatory? I mean when I read sanda I know that it is you, reading cmd is quite meaningless. It is the privilege of the new developer to pick a user name. cmd is not

Re: [PATCH] Cleaner windows title

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 05:54, BH a écrit : Works well for me -- I use the title bar icon all the time (which can also be used to reveal the complete path to the file and navigate to any folder in the path). Unfortunately, I cannot have only this part, since Qt does not do the icon thing if I set the

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Cor Blom wrote: bc: GNU Command Line Calculator After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the shell complained that bc could not be found. This complaint was not there in the buildlog for branch, so I added it as a requirement. please can you paste the

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 03:34, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Great news! However, can we please for the future use usernames that are self-explanatory? I mean when I read sanda I know that it is you, reading cmd is quite meaningless. It is the privilege of the new developer to pick

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 10:47 schrieb Pavel Sanda: Cor Blom wrote: bc: GNU Command Line Calculator After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the shell complained that bc could not be found. This complaint was not there in the buildlog for branch, so I added it as

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Attached is a patch that does this. The advantage is that we avoid confusions. If we would implement it as InsetSpace, it is hard for the user to distinguish it within LyX from the other spaces. Just output it in black instead of blue. this is already

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: And this is exactly why it makes sense. It's a possibility to represent a space. Why shouldn't InsetSpace allow for that possibility? The discussion about glyph classification (technical symbol vs. space) is completely irrelevant for most users. They might just

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote: the border of technical symbol vs. space is fuzzy to me and i don't have hard opinion to dicuss it. but to sum up as the time passed we have 3 patches: 1. special symbol - simple unicode char 2. part of insetspace 3. special symbol - specific drawing if my counting is

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Hi Pavel, in the page http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20 there was the icon that the initial module is documented. Where is it, I cannot find it? i put the tickmark of documented feature when the module description inside settings dialog is enough to grab all information

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 08:41, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit : That's not true for all spaces. Non-break spaces are of fixed width as well. And so is \thinspace. [...] And this is exactly why it makes sense. It's a possibility to represent a space. Why shouldn't InsetSpace allow for that possibility? The

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 11:55, Pavel Sanda a écrit : as sidecomment i dont think that adding specific features which pull extra packages into our manuals is a healthy thing. they are not compilable on various situations then and produce strange errors like when we added mchem notion into math manual and

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing my moving to there with the family. So don't

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 10:52, Pavel Sanda a écrit : It is the privilege of the new developer to pick a user name. cmd is not weirder than gmatht, after all :) nobody asked me !?@$%!~ ;p Hmm, maybe at the time the privilege did not exist, then.

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread José Matos
On 07/19/2011 11:13 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Have a nice trip. JMarc +1 :-) -- José Matos

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing

LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Cor Blom
Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 10:47:50 schreef Pavel Sanda: please can you paste the relevant part of log? i have hard time to understand why we need bc. Here it is: [...] GENui_TocUi.h GENui_ToggleWarningUi.h GENui_VSpaceUi.h GENui_ViewSourceUi.h GENui_WrapUi.h

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 13:22, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 10:15, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: This doesn't help, because in some cases you need the feature that LyX does not add nothing, no par break and also no newline but to continue with the code right after the command. Looks like a very badly coded macro, then. No, these cases

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 11:55, schrieb Pavel Sanda: in the page http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20 there was the icon that the initial module is documented. Where is it, I cannot find it? i put the tickmark of documented feature when the module description inside settings dialog is enough to grab all

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:22, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Thinking about it, my family will be on holidays between the 5th and the 12th of August. So my new appartment will be empty (except for the still unpacked stuff of course). Is there interest in a LyX meeting during the week-end between the 5th

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : No, these cases occur often. They are also not badly coded but standard and valid LaTeX that commands affect the paragraph they are in. What typical examples do you have in mind? JMarc

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Yes, it should be done eventually, and it is not very difficult. However, I think it would be better to factor in the two cases, rather then duplicating code (with subtly different bugs :) Will you do this or is this something for Richard? Should I open

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 14:23, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : No, these cases occur often. They are also not badly coded but standard and valid LaTeX that commands affect the paragraph they are in. What typical examples do you have in mind? Pictures in

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 14:28, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Pictures in paragraphs (e.g. via picins, picinpar), wrapped floats, initials, email commands, address formatting commands, various scientific paper titling commands, ... Most of these are indeed part of a paragraph an thus should be handled by custom

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 14:38, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Most of these are indeed part of a paragraph an thus should be handled by custom insets. There is no point to change normal layouts for them. Yes, we already agree here. The only pint is that InsetLayout (a.k.a. flex inset) does not yet

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 11:05 schrieb Stephan Witt: Am 19.07.2011 um 10:47 schrieb Pavel Sanda: Cor Blom wrote: bc: GNU Command Line Calculator After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the shell complained that bc could not be found. This complaint was not there

Re: changeset 39344

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 01:17 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Richard, am I allowed to remove the file enumitem.lyx from branch too? Its content is now in the UserGuide. My goal was to merge all these infos into one place because before we described customized lists in the Additional manual and the enumitem

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 08:25 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Yes, it should be done eventually, and it is not very difficult. However, I think it would be better to factor in the two cases, rather then duplicating code (with subtly different bugs :) Will you

Re: Fwd: Additional manual

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Chrétien
Le 17/07/2011 12:02, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Uwe Stöhr wrote: section 7.2.1: sentence Before you begin to use the version control features in LyX, you should be familiar with RCS/CVS/SVN usage before start using it under LyX. Indeed. I removed this now. the wording maybe wrong in terms of

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 15:08, schrieb Richard Heck: I'm still hoping to do some major reworking of how arguments are handled, i.e., get rid of that inset. What do you have in mind instead? I have now a lot of experience with it and find the current implementation acceptable, except of these 2 things:

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 09:58 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Am 19.07.2011 15:08, schrieb Richard Heck: I'm still hoping to do some major reworking of how arguments are handled, i.e., get rid of that inset. What do you have in mind instead? I have now a lot of experience with it and find the current

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote: - the menu entry must read optional Argument, not short title (this is misleading and this appears often at the users list that people are confused, a short title is only ONE occurrence of optional arguments It's much less clear how you can label different insets

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Is there interest in a LyX meeting during the week-end between the 5th and the 7th? I will leave in a very nice area close to Lausanne 5 minutes walk very unprobable i will have spare time during this summer... isn't Juergen the swiss layman now as well? pavel

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote: Is there interest in a LyX meeting during the week-end between the 5th and the 7th? I will leave in a very nice area close to Lausanne 5 minutes walk very unprobable i will have spare time during this summer... isn't Juergen the swiss layman now as well? Yep (in

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 16:38, schrieb Richard Heck: - the menu entry must read optional Argument, not short title (this is misleading and this appears often at the users list that people are confused, a short title is only ONE occurrence of optional arguments It's much less clear how you can label

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 12:54 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Am 19.07.2011 16:38, schrieb Richard Heck: - the menu entry must read optional Argument, not short title (this is misleading and this appears often at the users list that people are confused, a short title is only ONE occurrence of optional arguments

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 19:33, schrieb Richard Heck: I understand the idea, but it would make the Bibitem mess look neat. What do you mean? - the optional argument can sty as it is, only its menu entry in the Insert menu must be changed. There can be more than one optional argument. Think about

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 12:11, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: PS: BTW Uwe, did you see my messages about the \LyX macro? Since r37164 it is robust under hyperref and it is not necessary to redefine it in preamble. Not yes. Thanks for the hint, I'll remove the corresponding preamble code now. regards

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 08:14, schrieb Stephan Witt: Sorry, I cannot resist... Notepad is not an editor. It's an excuse for not having one. Every time I have to view a file on stock windows I get an attack of windows hate. It's the same with the never ending newline story. One should at least use

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 08:41, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: And this is exactly why it makes sense. It's a possibility to represent a space. Why shouldn't InsetSpace allow for that possibility? It is totally confusing that we have the menu Insert-Special character that already provides the char. OK,

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 01:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Am 19.07.2011 19:33, schrieb Richard Heck: I understand the idea, but it would make the Bibitem mess look neat. What do you mean? The InsetBibitem code is a complete disaster. There are all kinds of bugs associated with it, because we are trying to

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/11 19:57, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : PS: BTW Uwe, did you see my messages about the \LyX macro? Since r37164 it is robust under hyperref and it is not necessary to redefine it in preamble. Not yes. Thanks for the hint, I'll remove the corresponding preamble code now. Of course don't forget

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 20.07.2011 00:02, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Of course don't forget to doublecheck that it works (it is in 2.0 too). I always compile every file as PDF before committing. This should btw. the default procedure. (The only exception are the Japanese files because I don't have ptex.)

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: the border of technical symbol vs. space is fuzzy to me and i don't have hard opinion to dicuss it. but to sum up as the time passed we have 3 patches: 1. special symbol - simple unicode char 2. part of insetspace 3. special symbol -

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Stephan Witt wrote: In case of interest QT_VERSION=4.10.3 sh -c 'v=0x0; for i in ${QT_VERSION//./ } ; do case $i in 10) v=$v0a ;; 11) v=$v0b ;; 12) v=$v0c ;; 13) v=$v0d ;; 14) v=$v0e ;; 15) v=$v0f ;; *) v=$v0$i ;; esac ; done; echo $v' prints 0x0040a03 how do cmake people solve this in

Re: Fwd: Additional manual

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote: Le 17/07/2011 12:02, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Uwe Stöhr wrote: section 7.2.1: sentence Before you begin to use the version control features in LyX, you should be familiar with RCS/CVS/SVN usage before start using it under LyX. Indeed. I removed this now. the

Re: [PATCH] Cleaner windows title

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: (and I'd prefer SVN/CVS/RCS to Version Control), then perhaps Version Control(SVN/CVS/RCS) in order to know what you are running. also readonly flag is needed to be displayed somewhere. pavel

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
... so i returned to this ... Uwe Stöhr wrote: I now wrote its documentation from scratch and saw that your module did not work. it depends what you mean by works. if you just insert charstyle push character there and start writing after charstyle inset it 'just works' (at least here). you

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Our manuals have to describe what you can do with LyX. There is no other way. It might always be possible that our docs are uncompilable. We cannot control what LaTeX-packages are installed on a system. Or where do you want to set the line? i dont have any fixed rule but

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread John CMD
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:52, Pavel Sanda a écrit : It is the privilege of the new developer to pick a user name. cmd is not weirder than gmatht, after all :) nobody asked me !?@$%!~ ;p Hmm, maybe at the time the

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 20.07.2011 03:32, schrieb Pavel Sanda: I now wrote its documentation from scratch and saw that your module did not work. it depends what you mean by works. if you just insert charstyle push character there and start writing after charstyle inset it 'just works' (at least here). By

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 20.07.2011 03:45, schrieb Pavel Sanda: Uwe Stöhr wrote: Our manuals have to describe what you can do with LyX. There is no other way. It might always be possible that our docs are uncompilable. We cannot control what LaTeX-packages are installed on a system. Or where do you want to set the

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 20.07.2011 06:06, schrieb Uwe Stöhr: Attached is an example where you get a LaTeX error. Here it is. regards Uwe newfile1.lyx Description: application/lyx

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 01:05 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: > Am 19.07.2011 00:05, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: > >> Le 15/07/11 22:30, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : >>> I don't agree that implementing it as part of the space inset is a good >>> idea. \textvisiblespace is not a space in the sense of the meaning but a >>>

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > I still think it is wrong, but I am not going to fight forever on that > > (what is there a space in "foo bar" and not "foo_bar"???). > > The internal behaviour of a space and a character is different. LaTeX can > change the width of spaces to e.g. fit a line into the column

Re: SV: Towards RC4/final release

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > There is the ideal, and there is what we have. The "ideal" way would be > > to ensure that the extra paragraph types for running headers appear if > > and only if page layout "fancy" is checked. Currently, that can't be > > done with modules. But at least we have the running

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Cor Blom
Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 00:06:55 schreef Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: > Le 18/07/11 23:58, Cor Blom a écrit : > > Adding bc to BuildRequires solved the problem. Thanks for the help. > > Interesting, but what does bc stand for? > bc: GNU Command Line Calculator After your last remark I looked again

I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing my moving to there with the family. So don't expect much from me in the coming weeks. Cheers,

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 03:21, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : This doesn't help, because in some cases you need the feature that LyX does not add nothing, no par break and also no newline but to continue with the code right after the command. Looks like a very badly coded macro, then. It might be easier to fix the

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 03:34, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Great news! However, can we please for the future use usernames that are self-explanatory? I mean when I read "sanda" I know that it is you, reading "cmd" is quite meaningless. It is the privilege of the new developer to pick a user name. cmd is not

Re: [PATCH] Cleaner windows title

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 05:54, BH a écrit : Works well for me -- I use the title bar icon all the time (which can also be used to reveal the complete path to the file and navigate to any folder in the path). Unfortunately, I cannot have only this part, since Qt does not do the icon thing if I set the

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Cor Blom wrote: > bc: GNU Command Line Calculator > > After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the > shell complained that "bc" could not be found. This complaint was not there > in > the buildlog for branch, so I added it as a requirement. please can you paste

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 19/07/2011 03:34, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : >> Great news! >> However, can we please for the future use usernames that are >> self-explanatory? I mean when I read "sanda" I know that it is you, >> reading "cmd" is quite meaningless. > > It is the privilege of the new

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 10:47 schrieb Pavel Sanda: > Cor Blom wrote: >> bc: GNU Command Line Calculator >> >> After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the >> shell complained that "bc" could not be found. This complaint was not there >> in >> the buildlog for branch, so

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Attached is a patch that does this. >> >> The advantage is that we avoid confusions. If we would implement it as >> InsetSpace, it is hard for the user to distinguish it within LyX from >> the other spaces. > > Just output it in black instead of blue. this is

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > And this is exactly why it makes sense. It's a possibility to represent a > space. Why shouldn't InsetSpace allow for that possibility? > > The discussion about glyph classification ("technical symbol" vs. "space") is > completely irrelevant for most users. They

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote: > the border of "technical symbol" vs. "space" is fuzzy to me and i don't > have hard opinion to dicuss it. > > but to sum up as the time passed we have 3 patches: > 1. special symbol - simple unicode char > 2. part of insetspace > 3. special symbol - specific drawing > > if

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > in the page http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20 there was the icon that the > initial module is documented. Where is it, I cannot find it? i put the tickmark of documented feature when the module description inside settings dialog is enough to grab all

Re: [patch] Re: \textvisiblespace

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 08:41, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit : That's not true for all spaces. Non-break spaces are of fixed width as well. And so is \thinspace. [...] And this is exactly why it makes sense. It's a possibility to represent a space. Why shouldn't InsetSpace allow for that possibility? The

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 11:55, Pavel Sanda a écrit : as sidecomment i dont think that adding specific features which pull extra packages into our manuals is a healthy thing. they are not compilable on various situations then and produce strange errors like when we added mchem notion into math manual and

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing my moving to there with the family. So don't

Re: changeset/39333

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 10:52, Pavel Sanda a écrit : It is the privilege of the new developer to pick a user name. cmd is not weirder than gmatht, after all :) nobody asked me !?@$%!~ ;p Hmm, maybe at the time the privilege did not exist, then.

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread José Matos
On 07/19/2011 11:13 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Have a nice trip. JMarc +1 :-) -- José Matos

Re: I am moving to Switzerland

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing

LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new job in August in Switzerland and I am preparing

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Cor Blom
Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 10:47:50 schreef Pavel Sanda: > please can you paste the relevant part of log? i have hard time to > understand why we need bc. Here it is: [...] GENui_TocUi.h GENui_ToggleWarningUi.h GENui_VSpaceUi.h GENui_ViewSourceUi.h GENui_WrapUi.h

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 19/07/2011 13:22, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 19/07/2011 12:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 19/07/2011 10:08, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Hi there, I see that there's a lot of request to help for me in Trac; I would be very happy to but I am very busy these days... I am starting a new

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 10:15, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: This doesn't help, because in some cases you need the feature that LyX does not add nothing, no par break and also no newline but to continue with the code right after the command. Looks like a very badly coded macro, then. No, these cases

Re: about the initials module

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 11:55, schrieb Pavel Sanda: in the page http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20 there was the icon that the initial module is documented. Where is it, I cannot find it? i put the tickmark of documented feature when the module description inside settings dialog is enough to grab all

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:22, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Thinking about it, my family will be on holidays between the 5th and the 12th of August. So my new appartment will be empty (except for the still unpacked stuff of course). Is there interest in a LyX meeting during the week-end between the 5th

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : No, these cases occur often. They are also not "badly coded" but standard and valid LaTeX that commands affect the paragraph they are in. What typical examples do you have in mind? JMarc

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Yes, it should be done eventually, and it is not very difficult. However, I think it would be better to factor in the two cases, rather then duplicating code (with subtly different bugs :) Will you do this or is this something for Richard? Should I open

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 14:23, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : No, these cases occur often. They are also not "badly coded" but standard and valid LaTeX that commands affect the paragraph they are in. What typical examples do you have in mind? Pictures in

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 19/07/2011 14:28, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Pictures in paragraphs (e.g. via picins, picinpar), wrapped floats, initials, email commands, address formatting commands, various scientific paper titling commands, ... Most of these are indeed part of a paragraph an thus should be handled by custom

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 14:38, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: Most of these are indeed part of a paragraph an thus should be handled by custom insets. There is no point to change normal layouts for them. Yes, we already agree here. The only pint is that InsetLayout (a.k.a. flex inset) does not yet

Re: build error with trunk on openSUSE

2011-07-19 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 19.07.2011 um 11:05 schrieb Stephan Witt: > Am 19.07.2011 um 10:47 schrieb Pavel Sanda: > >> Cor Blom wrote: >>> bc: GNU Command Line Calculator >>> >>> After your last remark I looked again through the log and noticed that the >>> shell complained that "bc" could not be found. This

Re: changeset 39344

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 01:17 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Richard, > > am I allowed to remove the file enumitem.lyx from branch too? Its > content is now in the UserGuide. > My goal was to merge all these infos into one place because before we > described customized lists in the Additional manual and the

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 08:25 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 19/07/2011 13:47, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : >>> Yes, it should be done eventually, and it is not very difficult. >>> However, I think it would be better >>> to factor in the two cases, rather then duplicating code (with subtly >>> different bugs

Re: Fwd: Additional manual

2011-07-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Chrétien
Le 17/07/2011 12:02, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Uwe Stöhr wrote: section 7.2.1: sentence "Before you begin to use the version control features in LyX, you should be familiar with RCS/CVS/SVN usage before start using it under LyX." Indeed. I removed this now. the wording maybe wrong in terms of

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 19.07.2011 15:08, schrieb Richard Heck: I'm still hoping to do some major reworking of how arguments are handled, i.e., get rid of that inset. What do you have in mind instead? I have now a lot of experience with it and find the current implementation acceptable, except of these 2 things:

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Richard Heck
On 07/19/2011 09:58 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 19.07.2011 15:08, schrieb Richard Heck: > >> I'm still hoping to do some major reworking of how arguments are >> handled, i.e., get rid of that inset. > > What do you have in mind instead? I have now a lot of experience with > it and find the current

Re: Missing features in Flex insets and style definition question

2011-07-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote: > > - the menu entry must read "optional Argument, not "short title" (this > > is misleading and this appears often at the users list that people are > > confused, a short title is only ONE occurrence of optional arguments > > It's much less clear how you can label different

Re: LyX meeting? (Re: I am moving to Switzerland)

2011-07-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Is there interest in a LyX meeting during the week-end between the 5th and > the 7th? I will leave in a very nice area close to Lausanne 5 minutes walk very unprobable i will have spare time during this summer... isn't Juergen the swiss layman now as well? pavel

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