Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
On 27/04/2014 23:11, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 27/04/14 16:58, Georg Baum wrote: If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? Sound really cool indeed, I will try :-) Abdel
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
On 27/04/2014 23:11, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 27/04/14 16:58, Georg Baum wrote: If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? Sound really cool indeed, I will try :-) Abdel
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? LyX exports formulas as MathML. Obviously Thunderbird can render that, but I don't know whether you can also enter it interactively. IMHO, this is not important, you can just use LyX to enter math in thunderbird;-) Georg
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu > (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, > including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working > visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a > way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? LyX exports formulas as MathML. Obviously Thunderbird can render that, but I don't know whether you can also enter it interactively. IMHO, this is not important, you can just use LyX to enter math in thunderbird;-) Georg
Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)
On 27/04/14 10:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So my feature request would be able: 1) write in LyX 2) select and copy 3) paste as html in Thunderbird. Maybe this is already possible. It is indeed, but with a few hiccups: 1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets copied as normal plain text only) 2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases 3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ? And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice. So, a couple of extra questions: a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special copy as HTML for that? I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities. Thanks, T.
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
Just a tiny addition: when you re-write with LibreOffice the same exact text segment, with a few boldface and emphasized and bullet and numbered lists, and copy that to Thunderbird with C-c, C-v, it just works as expected. I also just tried a table, and it's copied just OK in Thunderbird, but if you paste it into LyX, hmmm... So, AFAICS, LyX seems to be behind other tools in this regard (copy'n'paste interoperability). T. On 27/04/14 15:08, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 27/04/14 10:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So my feature request would be able: 1) write in LyX 2) select and copy 3) paste as html in Thunderbird. Maybe this is already possible. It is indeed, but with a few hiccups: 1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets copied as normal plain text only) 2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases 3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ? And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice. So, a couple of extra questions: a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special copy as HTML for that? I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities. Thanks, T.
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: So, a couple of extra questions: a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special copy as HTML for that? If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities. Indeed. Therefore I worked on that last year. Georg
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
On 27/04/14 16:58, Georg Baum wrote: If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? Thanks, T.
Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)
On 27/04/14 10:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > So my feature request would be able: > 1) write in LyX > 2) select and copy > 3) paste as html in Thunderbird. > > Maybe this is already possible. It is indeed, but with a few hiccups: 1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets copied as normal plain text only) 2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases 3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ? And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice. So, a couple of extra questions: a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for that? I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities. Thanks, T.
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
Just a tiny addition: when you re-write with LibreOffice the same exact text segment, with a few boldface and emphasized and bullet and numbered lists, and copy that to Thunderbird with C-c, C-v, it just works as expected. I also just tried a table, and it's copied just OK in Thunderbird, but if you paste it into LyX, hmmm... So, AFAICS, LyX seems to be behind other tools in this regard (copy'n'paste interoperability). T. On 27/04/14 15:08, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > On 27/04/14 10:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> So my feature request would be able: >> 1) write in LyX >> 2) select and copy >> 3) paste as html in Thunderbird. >> >> Maybe this is already possible. > It is indeed, but with a few hiccups: > > 1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text > gets copied as normal plain text only) > 2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon > you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers > in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird > doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases > 3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra > empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ? > > And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice. > > So, a couple of extra questions: > a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML > into the clipboard ? > b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for that? > > I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste > between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text > capabilities. > > Thanks, > > T. >
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps (was: Re: Feature request)
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > So, a couple of extra questions: > a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported > HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for > that? If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. > I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and > paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich > text capabilities. Indeed. Therefore I worked on that last year. Georg
Re: Copying and pasting to other apps
On 27/04/14 16:58, Georg Baum wrote: > If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain > text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting > application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your > case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you > start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does. Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there? Thanks, T.
