Re: Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion)

2014-02-11 Thread stefano franchi
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Andrew Parsloe wrote: > > > On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: > >> >> >> I had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month >> and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men >> (and women). They all failed to var

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-11 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/10/14, 21:47 , stefano franchi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug > wrote: > > I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: > > 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) > 2) but we need a

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread stefano franchi
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Georg Baum wrote: > stefano franchi wrote: > > > Anyway: I am willing to "mentor" a student through the process of > > producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are > > necessary, because I would have to learn as much as the student. If Rob > > c

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread stefano franchi
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: > > 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) > 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) > Or perhaps: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) bu

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
I have the feeling, this discussion can be summed up in two lines: 1) we would like to have a round-trip (docx backend) 2) but we need a sematic export (to docx) Rainer On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: >> >>> This is not p

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/10/14, 21:09 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: >> >>> This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in >>> the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). >>> It might be possible to suppo

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: >> >> On another note, you should also probably have a discussion about how >> you want to handle maths. The math XML vocabulary in docx is pretty >> well contained, but it would still be an enormous job to translate it >> to LyX/LaTeX.

Copying from pdf (was Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion)

2014-02-10 Thread Andrew Parsloe
On 11/02/2014 2:59 a.m., stefano franchi wrote: I had to convert a ~50,000 words book from LyX to Word last month and it took me 2 full days. I think I tried all exporters known to men (and women). They all failed to various degrees. In the end, I had better luck converting the file from the

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Georg Baum
stefano franchi wrote: > Anyway: I am willing to "mentor" a student through the process of > producing a LyX-to-Word semantic-only exporter. Scare quotes are > necessary, because I would have to learn as much as the student. If Rob > can provide some guidance and expert advice (both as a previous

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: > >> This is not possible. There are LyX features that simply do not appear in >> the exported LaTeX, so they can't be imported (e.g. branches or notes). >> It might be possible to support all LaTeX features, but the cost would be >> e

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2014-02-10, Georg Baum wrote: > Guenter Milde wrote: >> On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: >>> Rainer M Krug wrote: On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> One feature where additional metadata would >>> definitely

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Georg Baum
Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: >> Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> One feature where additional metadata would >> definitely help are branches. > > Not necessarily

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/10/14, 14:59 , stefano franchi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug > wrote: > > > > On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, w

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread stefano franchi
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > >> (docx) to another (p

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/09/14, 19:44 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend >> (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). >> >> IMPORTANT: this would NOT change ANYTH

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/07/14, 17:35 , Rob Oakes wrote: > Hi all, Hi Rob, good to hear from you on this topic. > > I have been following conversations with significant interest. I > started a new job in the middle of last year. That combined with an > 18-month old little boy have left me almost no time for

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/09/14, 20:25 , Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which provides the facilities to easily expan

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-10 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2014-02-09, Georg Baum wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: >> On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > One feature where additional metadata would > definitely help are branches. Not necessarily: With use the "comment" package,

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-09 Thread Georg Baum
Cyrille Artho wrote: > The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's re-imported > (otherwise there is no point in exporting the data to being with). This > can make a clean re-import very challenging. > > For example: > > "Good": lyx -> latex: Store extra data as special LaTeX co

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-09 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >>> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >>> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend >>> (docx) to anothe

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-09 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). > > IMPORTANT: this would NOT change ANYTHING in the existing export / > import features, a

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-09 Thread Georg Baum
Jerry wrote: > One can hope (right?) that since a commonality between LyX and docx is > math that this would be included on the feature set(s). On OS X, the new > versions of Word have a built-in math typesetting capability (and thus no > longer depends on MathType). Presumably this is allowed by

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-07 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/07/14, 11:11 , Cyrille Artho wrote: > Dear all, > I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched > some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a > roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target > file itself. To quote Coldp

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-07 Thread Cyrille Artho
Dear all, I think we have had earlier discussions (a few months ago) that touched some of the problems, but I see some major challenges when having a roundtrip conversion where extra data cannot be stored in the target file itself. The issue is that the target file will be edited before it's

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-07 Thread Rainer M Krug
On 02/07/14, 10:49 , Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which >> provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend >> (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?)

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-07 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > The idea would be that a round-trip framework is envisaged, which > provides the facilities to easily expand it from one export backend > (docx) to another (possibly odt? markdown?). This sounds like a sort of testing framework which would

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-07 Thread Rainer M Krug
As I was one of the ones who initially raised this issue, let me coment on it. On 02/06/14, 18:35 , stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defi

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-06 Thread Jerry
On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:35 AM, stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly > because the former implies the latter). > > It is n

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-06 Thread stefano franchi
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi > wrote: > > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defi

Re: GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-06 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 > > is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined > (possibly because the former implies the latter). > > It is not

GSOC 2014 project list: on LyX<-->docx roundtrip conversion

2014-02-06 Thread stefano franchi
The first project in our wiki page for GSOC 2014: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/GSoCProjectIdeasFor2014 is, at the same time, the most ambitious and the least well-defined (possibly because the former implies the latter). It is not clear to me if this a coding project or if it defines the outline of