Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 04:14:30PM +, Richard Heck wrote: > I have Spider Oak as well, though I don't use the auto-sync feature, but > I can activate it and see if I see the same behavior. It might be helpful to use inotify to get a log of events that happened (e.g. maybe Spider Oak modifies it and then immediately changes it back). Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/17/2018 03:24 AM, racoon wrote: > On 08/04/2018 04:17, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 04/07/2018 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: > Hi, > > I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even > though I > just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere > else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did > anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? >>> Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the >>> .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not >>> given >>> the message. >> >> Wild guess on my part, and apparently not a good one. >> >> I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and >> see if that makes the problem go away. > > With Spider Oak tuned off I did not get the messages and they > reappeared once it was turned on again. OK, so there's something Spider Oak is doing when it syncs this stuff. I have Spider Oak as well, though I don't use the auto-sync feature, but I can activate it and see if I see the same behavior. Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 08/04/2018 04:17, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/07/2018 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: Hi, I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not given the message. Wild guess on my part, and apparently not a good one. I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and see if that makes the problem go away. With Spider Oak tuned off I did not get the messages and they reappeared once it was turned on again. Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 16/04/2018 21:01, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/14/2018 05:38 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 02:17:22AM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and see if that makes the problem go away. Racoon, does the above make the problem go away? It would be nice to know, just make sure that this is the problem. Also, after a Spider Oak sync, can you check the properties of the .lyx file. Do they change, compared to before a Spider Oak sync? Are you sure that the .lyx file before/after a Spider Oak sync is identical? How did you check? Part of the reason I'd asked about that I often seem to get surprise recompilations when switching between git branches, even though timestamps and files should not have changed. I am not using any versioning system, if that was your question. Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 14/04/2018 23:38, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 02:17:22AM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and see if that makes the problem go away. Racoon, does the above make the problem go away? It would be nice to know, just make sure that this is the problem. Also, after a Spider Oak sync, can you check the properties of the .lyx file. Do they change, compared to before a Spider Oak sync? Are you sure that the .lyx file before/after a Spider Oak sync is identical? How did you check? I didn't check. I have no idea how to check. I was just guessing what the cause might be since Spider Oak is the only other application that does something with the files I am using. Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/14/2018 05:38 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 02:17:22AM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >> I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and >> see if that makes the problem >> go away. > Racoon, does the above make the problem go away? It would be nice to > know, just make sure that this is the problem. > > Also, after a Spider Oak sync, can you check the properties of the .lyx > file. Do they change, compared to before a Spider Oak sync? > > Are you sure that the .lyx file before/after a Spider Oak sync is > identical? How did you check? Part of the reason I'd asked about that I often seem to get surprise recompilations when switching between git branches, even though timestamps and files should not have changed. Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 02:17:22AM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and > see if that makes the problem > go away. Racoon, does the above make the problem go away? It would be nice to know, just make sure that this is the problem. Also, after a Spider Oak sync, can you check the properties of the .lyx file. Do they change, compared to before a Spider Oak sync? Are you sure that the .lyx file before/after a Spider Oak sync is identical? How did you check? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 09/04/2018 17:36, Kornel Benko wrote: Am Samstag, 7. April 2018 22:17:22 CEST schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck : On 04/07/2018 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: Hi, I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not given the message. Wild guess on my part, and apparently not a good one. I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and see if that makes the problem go away. All of this seems to use QFileSystemWatcher in the background, so we are beholden to whatever it thinks counts as a file change. A momentary renaming or whatever seems as if it could trigger that, from what I can tell, and that kind of thing might well happen during syncing. I wonder if even the locking and unlocking that has caused other problems might trigger it? Riki Suppose the time settings on this two computers are different. What would be used as time stamp, the one of the lyx-executable or the one on which the file is stored? I just wanted to say that LyX also asks me whether to overwrite the file after the "changed on disk" message is shown and I try to save. Maybe that helps in knowing what kind of change happened to the file. Not sure whether I can help somehow by testing something particular. Please let me know if so. Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I > > just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere > > else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did > > anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? > > That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not given the message. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
Am Samstag, 7. April 2018 22:17:22 CEST schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck : > On 04/07/2018 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >> On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I > >>> just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere > >>> else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did > >>> anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? > >> > >> That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? > > > > Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the > > .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not given > > the message. > > Wild guess on my part, and apparently not a good one. > > I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and > see if that makes the problem > go away. > > All of this seems to use QFileSystemWatcher in the background, so we are > beholden to whatever it > thinks counts as a file change. A momentary renaming or whatever seems > as if it could trigger that, > from what I can tell, and that kind of thing might well happen during > syncing. I wonder if even the > locking and unlocking that has caused other problems might trigger it? > > Riki Suppose the time settings on this two computers are different. What would be used as time stamp, the one of the lyx-executable or the one on which the file is stored? Kornel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 02:48:24PM +, racoon wrote: > Do you happen to know whether there is a way to turn this feature in LyX > off? Not that I know of. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/07/2018 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:47:29PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I >>> just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere >>> else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did >>> anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? >> That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? > Not sure how useful it is, but I tested (on Linux) and if I have the > .lyx file open and just use the touch command externally, I am not given > the message. Wild guess on my part, and apparently not a good one. I suppose the first thing to do is to turn off Spider Oak's autosync and see if that makes the problem go away. All of this seems to use QFileSystemWatcher in the background, so we are beholden to whatever it thinks counts as a file change. A momentary renaming or whatever seems as if it could trigger that, from what I can tell, and that kind of thing might well happen during syncing. I wonder if even the locking and unlocking that has caused other problems might trigger it? Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
Do you happen to know whether there is a way to turn this feature in LyX off? On 07/04/2018 16:02, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/07/2018 09:46 AM, racoon wrote: On 07/04/2018 15:42, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/07/2018 04:31 AM, racoon wrote: On 07.04.2018 00:47, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: Hi, I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? I don't know how to figure that out. Wouldn't it be strange if syncing changes the timestamp? Not necessarily. It very much depends upon how Spider Oak is working. If it is not totally strange for a syncing app to work that way, does that mean LyX's check for file changes is problematic? Possibly. I think we may depend upon both the timestamp and a hash of the file, but I'm not sure. Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/07/2018 09:46 AM, racoon wrote: > On 07/04/2018 15:42, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 04/07/2018 04:31 AM, racoon wrote: >>> On 07.04.2018 00:47, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: > Hi, > > I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even > though I > just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere > else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did > anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? >>> >>> I don't know how to figure that out. Wouldn't it be strange if syncing >>> changes the timestamp? >> >> Not necessarily. It very much depends upon how Spider Oak is working. > > If it is not totally strange for a syncing app to work that way, does > that mean LyX's check for file changes is problematic? Possibly. I think we may depend upon both the timestamp and a hash of the file, but I'm not sure. Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 07/04/2018 15:42, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/07/2018 04:31 AM, racoon wrote: On 07.04.2018 00:47, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: Hi, I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? I don't know how to figure that out. Wouldn't it be strange if syncing changes the timestamp? Not necessarily. It very much depends upon how Spider Oak is working. If it is not totally strange for a syncing app to work that way, does that mean LyX's check for file changes is problematic? Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/07/2018 04:31 AM, racoon wrote: > On 07.04.2018 00:47, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I >>> just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere >>> else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did >>> anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? >> >> That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? > > I don't know how to figure that out. Wouldn't it be strange if syncing > changes the timestamp? Not necessarily. It very much depends upon how Spider Oak is working. Riki
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 07.04.2018 00:47, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: Hi, I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? I don't know how to figure that out. Wouldn't it be strange if syncing changes the timestamp? Daniel
Re: Problem with message "The file ... changed on disk."
On 04/06/2018 04:03 AM, racoon wrote: > Hi, > > I am getting the message "The file ... changed on disk." even though I > just saved the file a minute ago or so and it isn't opened anywhere > else. My hunch is that it relates to the syncing with Spider Oak. Did > anyone experience a similar problem or know what's going on? That seems likely. Did the timestamp change? Riki
