Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-09 Thread G. Milde
On 9.03.05, Helge Hafting wrote: > Stefano Franchi wrote: > >On Mar 8, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Now, some publishers do provide latex classes, in those cases it is > only a question of getting lyx support. The simplest cases merely > involves getting a few "\usepackages" into th

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Stefano Franchi wrote: On Mar 8, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: There is few publishers, if any at all, who will provide you with a lyx class. But it doesn't have to be the publisher, it is something any latex/lyx person could do. The publisher should really offer a discount (i.e. more p

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Charles de Miramon
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > I _think_ that the most common special case is/was with books produced > using thinner papers. Paper used in books can be more or less translucent > and lines of text on the reverse side or on the next sheet are less > disruptive when hidden directly behind the lines of

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-08 Thread Stefano Franchi
On Mar 8, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: There is few publishers, if any at all, who will provide you with a lyx class. But it doesn't have to be the publisher, it is something any latex/lyx person could do. The publisher should really offer a discount (i.e. more pay) for a camera-ready

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Helge Hafting writes: > After seeing the example, I wonder why someone would want > this "registerhaltigkeit" in the general case. (Sure, there might > be special cases I can't think of.) I _think_ that the most common special case is/was with books produced using thinner papers. Paper used in bo

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Stefano Franchi wrote: On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Well, the right publisher is the publisher that has a good reputation in your subject. Couldn't agree more. And in my field (philosophy, and especially history of philosophy) TeX is conspicuously absent. Which is bad,

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Juergen Spitzmueller writes: As I said, you might get close with lots of tweaking. But IMHO the loss is greater than the gain. No, I don't mean at the user level, but as an option (programmed in, so to speak), so that within the limits this requires, that all other as

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: I tried to create an example with LyX and Word, both showing a layout that has been tweaked quite a bit, using the same font (Palatino) and also mostly the same settings. I tried to make the Word thing as good as possible, otherwise the comparision would not be fair.

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Martin A. Hansen wrote: hello again thank you very much for the input. apparently noone have any slideshow presentations introducing lyx to the ignorant word user. i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the documentation on lyx.org? but first i will summon up the pro/con in

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-06 Thread chr
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Sorry for the inconvenience, I've deleted the files, and no worries - I know that it's tricky to get it right at the first try with the current system :-( /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.s

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, I see.. never thought we'd actually need to do that so I hadn't > allowed it :-)  Anyway, you should be able to upload it now. > > Btw, I moved the files into a subdirectory under Examples/, so they are > now in > Examples/ComparingLyXAndWord/ I managed to up

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-06 Thread chr
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/ComparingLyXAndWord > > > Would it make sense to upload the source files for > > the documents as well (i.e. the .lyx-file and the .doc-file). > > I have uploaded the *.lyx file,

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I put up a wiki page with Jürgen's text here: > http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/ComparingLyXAndWord > > for future reference. Thanks. > Would it make sense to upload the source files for > the documents as well (i.e. the .lyx-file and the .doc-file). I have uplo

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-06 Thread chr
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Martin A. Hansen wrote: > > can someone supply screenshots showing the differences of a given layout > > in word and in lyx. i think it would be very nice to draw peoples > > attention to small examples where the typesetting differences are > > cle

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-05 Thread Stefano Franchi
On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: William F. Adams wrote: For books: Big publishers (i.e. big UP presses) behave as journals: they want word files and will re-typeset everything. (Actually some p. houses will retype everything from paper...). Smaller publishing houses and/or

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread chr
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > i think the examples are very illustrative on the issues of line-based > vs paragraph-based layout and orphans. i would love to see an example of > lyx' superior way of placing inserted graphics, tables, etc. > > jürgens example (great job!) should be

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread Martin A. Hansen
i think the examples are very illustrative on the issues of line-based vs paragraph-based layout and orphans. i would love to see an example of lyx' superior way of placing inserted graphics, tables, etc. jürgens example (great job!) should be put in the wiki straight away. moreover, i suggest tak

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin A. Hansen wrote: > can someone supply screenshots showing the differences of a given layout > in word and in lyx. i think it would be very nice to draw peoples > attention to small examples where the typesetting differences are > clear: > > 1. line-based vs paragraph-based layout > > 2. floa

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
William F. Adams wrote: > > For books: Big publishers (i.e. big UP presses) behave as journals: > > they want word files and will re-typeset everything. (Actually some p. > > houses will retype everything from paper...). Smaller publishing > > houses and/or imprints will want a camera-ready manuscr

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread chr
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > BTW: How about a Format>Document setting "Uses class", that would allow to > use a given latex class with a standard layout (without the need to > write a *.layout file)? > > This would need ERT for new commands, but be a quick solution >

Re: Online help difficult to navigate (Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 2.03.05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > Sorry, I was misleading. I mean the internal help (Menu Help). > > Not very helpfull captions (would you look for customization under "Profi > > Tips"?) and no search-facility/index. > Hmm.. no, I wouldn't look ther

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread William F. Adams
On Mar 4, 2005, at 4:06 AM, G. Milde wrote: I would really like a set of "with LyX" vs. "with other" examples on http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/ProsAndCons Maarten Sneep just posted this to the Mac OS X TeX mailing list: http://www.nat.vu.nl/~sneep/ars/type/overview.html William -- William Adams, publishi

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-04 Thread William F. Adams
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:47 AM, William F. Adams wrote: They did do one book on TeX, Norman Walsh's _Making TeX work_ (and may've been put out that they didn't get some TeX books they wanted early on) but have since been said to've likened it to ``wombat sex'' for its obscurity. You can find MTW on

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 2.03.05, JORGE HERNANDO wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > It should be quite useful a brief tutorial (addressed to people > not very knowledgeable in latex) on how to adapt a layout file. First of all, there is the Chapter on Layouts in the "Customization" Guide Help>Cus

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.05, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > can someone supply screenshots showing the differences of a given layout > in word and in lyx. Good idea, although I would opt for pdf output (as we are speaking about the printout) instead of screenshots. > i think it would be very nice to draw peoples a

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 2.03.05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > > > Is that feasable? > > > > Only with a very well-meaning boss. For a more cautious one who refuses to > > let you install stuff on his/her computer, you could try with the Knoppix > > live linux CD. > > Does that

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-03 Thread William F. Adams
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: One of publishing's great mysteries -- to me, at least -- is why O'Reilly & Associates insist that their authors submit manuscripts in Word format. I know several authors who work strictly in linux and despise having to use OO.o then translate t

Re: possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, William F. Adams wrote: On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:16 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote: For books: Big publishers (i.e. big UP presses) behave as journals: they want word files and will re-typeset everything. (Actually some p. houses will retype everything from paper...). Well, ... Spr

possible strategies for dealing w/ publishers (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-03 Thread William F. Adams
On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:16 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote: For books: Big publishers (i.e. big UP presses) behave as journals: they want word files and will re-typeset everything. (Actually some p. houses will retype everything from paper...). Smaller publishing houses and/or imprints will want a camer

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Stefano Franchi
CTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:16 AM To: Juergen Spitzmueller Cc: Stefano Franchi; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: selling lyx part 2 On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: * especially in human sciences, LaTeX and LyX is almost unknown, so you finally have to stic

RE: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Jack M. Lyon
-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: selling lyx part 2 > > > > On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > > * especially in human sciences, LaTeX and LyX is almost > unknown, so you > > finally have to stick with word. I am not aware of a single

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Stefano Franchi
On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: * especially in human sciences, LaTeX and LyX is almost unknown, so you finally have to stick with word. I am not aware of a single journal in my subject that accepts latex files, not to speak about the proceedings. * Some tools missing (e.g

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > As I said, you might get close with lots of tweaking. But IMHO the loss > is greater than the gain. No, I don't mean at the user level, but as an option (programmed in, so to speak), so that within the limits this requires, that all other aspects of page control, c

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Charles de Miramon
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > * especially in human sciences, LaTeX and LyX is almost unknown, so you > finally have to stick with word. I am not aware of a single journal in my > subject that accepts latex files, not to speak about the proceedings. > As a professional historian, I think it i

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > It seems to me (in my naivety) that this is just a matter of granularity > --- rounding certain values such that the vertical starting position of > all new body text paragraphs maintains this "line grid". But you say that > in LaTeX it's not possible (therefore also not wit

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > With some tweaking > (i.e. switching off the rubber lenghts), you can even > get LaTeX to get close to "Registerhaltigkeit", but then > you'll lose the harmonic page design and > the intelligent widow/orphan handling, for that matter. Here is a nice visual exam

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > This strikes me as a sort of "grid alignment" based on the   > leading/linespacing of the body text. Is this commonly done? Yes, if this is a preference. > Looking through a page of my Langenscheidt dictionary I see that lines on > both sides are aligned, but this is maybe

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > AFAIK, it's a decision by design. LaTeX uses "rubber lengths", i.e. it > shrinks and extracts the vertical spaces (between paragraphs, after and > before the headings an so on) to fill the page consistently. This > results in a quite "harmonic" page layout, but makes

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Can you explain this further? Do you mean that the lines printed on the > "left page" are at the same vertical position as those on the right? Yes. Unfortunately, I don't know the English term. > Assuming that I understood this correctly, then why not? AFAIK, it's a decis

Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > [1] The con, though, is that LaTeX cannot handle what German > typographers call "Registerhaltigkeit" (i.e. that the lines on each > page [recto and verso] are all vertically aligned the same). Can you explain this further? Do you mean that the lines printed on the

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Martin A. Hansen
> > * the printed output is truely typeset giving nicer output > > I'd really focus this a bit more, since it is my personal "killer" argument: > The LaTeX output is way better than word's output from a typographical point > of view. Especially with pdflatex, you are able to produce highly > pr

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin A. Hansen wrote: > pros: > = > > * easy to use and stable > > * free > > * well written and intelligent docs > > * focus on content instead of layout > > * the printed output is truely typeset giving nicer output I'd really focus this a bit more, since it is my personal "killer" argumen

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Dienstag, 1. März 2005 22:09 schrieb Martin A. Hansen: At my Lyx-presentation last night people were especially impressed by the ease a template can be used for a start (I used g-brief-de because of its shortness-; there is also a g-brief-en). Its just two klicks: Load the template, export is

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-03 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Dienstag, 1. März 2005 23:05 schrieb Martin A. Hansen: > its my boss :o( get another one ;-) Wolfgang > > > > martin > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > > >i am currently writing a paper (in lyx of couse) and my coa

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Miki Dovrat
> Does that have LyX? If not, does anyone know of a live CD with a working > LyX installation? I have taken the knoppix CD and remastered it (easy instructions on the knoppix website, long and exhausting procedure) to include TeTex, LyX, fonts, imagemagick, viewers, etc. I put Open-office on it

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread chr
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > Is that feasable? > > Only with a very well-meaning boss. For a more cautious one who refuses to > let you install stuff on his/her computer, you could try with the Knoppix > live linux CD. Does that have LyX? If not, does anyone know of a live CD with a

Re: Online help difficult to navigate (Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-02 Thread chr
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > On 2.03.05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > > > > > * well written and intelligent docs > > > > > > IMHO, the online help is sometimes quite cumbersome and hard to > > > navigate/search. > > > > When you say onl

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-02 Thread Angus Leeming
JORGE HERNANDO wrote: > Plain postcript also works perfectly. Also, if you compile > lyx with grace already installed > (http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace) > it understands (and opens) its files *.agr. Or just run Edit->Reconfigure. No need to compile anything. > I don't know if > t

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread G. Milde
On 2.03.05, Miki Dovrat wrote: > My suggestion: > > Go personally and install lyx by yourself on your boss's/co-author's > computer, make sure everything works by yourself. > > Now spend 5 minutes with him on basic editing in lyx, and hope for the best. > > Is that feasable? Only with a very

Re: Online help difficult to navigate (Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-02 Thread G. Milde
On 2.03.05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > > > * well written and intelligent docs > > > > IMHO, the online help is sometimes quite cumbersome and hard to > > navigate/search. > > When you say online help, do you mean the wiki or something else? So

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-02 Thread JORGE HERNANDO
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > On 1.03.05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > > Am Montag, 28. Februar 2005 19:51 schrieb Martin A. Hansen: > > > ... , how to produce figures (mentioning gimp > > for bitmapped and xfig for vector graphics and PSTricks), math-stuff, > > formats, styles, margins,

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Ernesto Jardim
JORGE HERNANDO wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: Hello! This is a litle besides the thread but I think it could be useful pros: = * journals may provide latex classes of thier own I'm a physcist and a couple of years ago I tried (and failed) to adapt the revtex layout to t

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Bennett Helm
On Mar 2, 2005, at 8:25 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: Martin A. Hansen wrote: does lyx run on mac os9? word does ... I believe that the native Aqua port of LyX/Mac discussed here: http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/LyX/Mac requires Mac OS 10.2. Yes. However, there's also an X11 port, described here: http://

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin A. Hansen wrote: > does lyx run on mac os9? word does ... I believe that the native Aqua port of LyX/Mac discussed here: http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/LyX/Mac requires Mac OS 10.2. However, there's also an X11 port, described here: http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/LyX/Mac-X11 I don't see

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread JORGE HERNANDO
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: Hello! This is a litle besides the thread but I think it could be useful > pros: > = > > > * journals may provide latex classes of thier own > > I'm a physcist and a couple of years ago I tried (and failed) to adapt the revtex layout to the sty

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Martin A. Hansen
into account. :) > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Jack M. Lyon > >> ___ > >> > >> The EDITORIUM > >> Microsoft Word Add-Ins for Publishing Professionals > >> http://www.ed

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread Miki Dovrat
___ >> >> The EDITORIUM >> Microsoft Word Add-Ins for Publishing Professionals >> http://www.editorium.com >> ___ >> >> >> > -Original Message- &

Online help difficult to navigate (Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-02 Thread chr
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, G. Milde wrote: > > * well written and intelligent docs > > IMHO, the online help is sometimes quite cumbersome and hard to > navigate/search. When you say online help, do you mean the wiki or something else? If you mean the wiki, I'd appreciate tips on how this situ

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread chr
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the > documentation on lyx.org? > > but first i will summon up the pro/con input from the mailing list: I placed your list on the following wiki page: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Pros

Wiki page for presentations (was Re: selling lyx part 2)

2005-03-02 Thread chr
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > apparently noone have any slideshow presentations introducing lyx to the > ignorant word user. Here is a suitable place on the wiki for uploading presentation about LyX: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations or if you already have the presen

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-02 Thread G. Milde
On 1.03.05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > Am Montag, 28. Februar 2005 19:51 schrieb Martin A. Hansen: > ... , how to produce figures (mentioning gimp > for bitmapped and xfig for vector graphics and PSTricks), math-stuff, > formats, styles, margins, references and bibtex (pybliographer and lyxpip

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-02 Thread G. Milde
On 1.03.05, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > > i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the > documentation on lyx.org? ... or simply on the LyX wiki? Maybe even more than one. > pros: > = > * well written and intelligent docs IMHO, the online help is sometimes quite cu

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
>>Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:40:27 +0100 >>To: "Jack M. Lyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org >>Subject: Re: selling lyx part 2 >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin A. Hansen) >> >>i am currently writing a paper (in lyx of

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Montag, 28. Februar 2005 19:51 schrieb Martin A. Hansen: > hello > > > > i am about to give an informal talk internally in our bioscience > research group. everybody uses word, and i am the sole lyx user hoping > to win some followers. > > does anyone have a 30 min presentation show on lyx i can

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Chris Menzel
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:09:15PM +0100, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > cons: > = > > * lyx/word exchange is horrible Feature. ;-)

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread samar j. singh
Martin Hansen wrote: > hello again > > > thank you very much for the input. > > apparently noone have any slideshow presentations introducing lyx to the ignorant word user. Second this idea enthusiastically. > > i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the documentation on

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread John O'Gorman
Martin A. Hansen wrote: hello again thank you very much for the input. apparently noone have any slideshow presentations introducing lyx to the ignorant word user. i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the documentation on lyx.org? but first i will summon up the pro/con in

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Martin A. Hansen
its my boss :o( martin On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > > >i am currently writing a paper (in lyx of couse) and my coauthor wanted > >the manuscript for editing. now, he uses word and only word. therefore i > >am f

Re: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Martin A. Hansen
Original Message- > > From: Martin A. Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:09 PM > > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > Subject: selling lyx part 2 > > > > > > hello again > > > > > > thank you very mu

RE: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Jack M. Lyon
ls http://www.editorium.com ___ > -Original Message- > From: Martin A. Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:09 PM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: selling lyx part 2 > > > hello again > > > thank you very much for the input. >

RE: selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Jack M. Lyon
In my last post, I forgot to mention that I've been using LyX as described in my newsletter here: http://lists.topica.com/lists/editorium/read/message.html?mid=1718444865 For those who need to go from Word to LaTeX or LyX, the article provides some helpful tips, along with a process that beginnin

selling lyx part 2

2005-03-01 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello again thank you very much for the input. apparently noone have any slideshow presentations introducing lyx to the ignorant word user. i hereby suggest we make one - and perhaps even include it in the documentation on lyx.org? but first i will summon up the pro/con input from the mailin

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread chr
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Miki Dovrat wrote: > More reasons not previously included: It would probably be a good idea if these pros and cons with LyX were added to this wiki page http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/20642 In the meanwhile, I simply linked to this thread from tha

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Miki Dovrat
More reasons not previously included: Very Important pro in selling LyX to windows users: It works great and looks great on windows since 1.3.5 and Ruurd Reitsma's port (and even before, don't take offense). Previously, the cygwin environment and the "ugly" x-forms use

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: > > Con : > > - One of the set-back of the Wysiwym model in LyX is copy editing. You > > copy edit the printed draft and when you report the corrections of a > > mispelled word into LyX it is harder to do because the word position on > > the line is different on the print and o

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Angus Leeming
Charles de Miramon wrote: > Con : > - One of the set-back of the Wysiwym model in LyX is copy editing. You > copy edit the printed draft and when you report the corrections of a > mispelled word into LyX it is harder to do because the word position on > the line is different on the print and on the

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Charles de Miramon
Pro : - Lyx is easy to use and stable. - If you write and rewrite on your screen a long text, using LyX is much nicer than vim + LaTeX or Kile where a large part of the screen is used by pointless formatting code. Con : - One of the set-back of the Wysiwym model in LyX is copy editing. You copy e

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Helge Hafting
Micha Feigin wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:21:44 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: i am also interested in strong pro/con arguments i can use (i am aware of the feature list etc). please fill in below :o) Martin, pro

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread samar j. singh
"Jean-Pierre Chretien" wrote > >>3. A latex error can drive one nuts trying to work out what has happened. > > Cannot happen in ERT-free lyx, and is not generally a showstopper > if you export to latex and compile in nonstopmode (when the deadline is for > yesterday I mean, I've produced a *lot*

Re: selling lyx

2005-03-01 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:48:35 +0100 (MET) Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > >>3. A latex error can drive one nuts trying to work out what has happened. > > Cannot happen in ERT-free lyx, and is not generally a showstopper Yes it can actually. Only happened to me with ma

Re: selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
[...] >>3. A latex error can drive one nuts trying to work out what has happened. Cannot happen in ERT-free lyx, and is not generally a showstopper if you export to latex and compile in nonstopmode (when the deadline is for yesterday I mean, I've produced a *lot* of documents with remaining erro

Re: selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Micha Feigin wrote: This can be done also with word using styles, although you still need to work on the typesetting at the end, and it can be a real pain since word has a tendency to mess things up (although working in layout view, IIRC how its called, make that easier). Micha,

Re: selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:21:44 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > > > i am also interested in strong pro/con arguments i can use (i am aware of > > the feature list etc). please fill in below :o) > > Martin, > > > pros: > > > > fre

Re: selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread samar j. singh
Martin wrote: > i am about to give an informal talk internally in our bioscience > research group. everybody uses word, and i am the sole lyx user hoping > to win some followers. > > does anyone have a 30 min presentation show on lyx i can use? Not for a science audience. > > i am also interested i

Re: selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: i am also interested in strong pro/con arguments i can use (i am aware of the feature list etc). please fill in below :o) Martin, pros: free well written and intelligent docs superb bibliographies using bibtex I'm an ecologist so perhaps my perspective

selling lyx

2005-02-28 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello i am about to give an informal talk internally in our bioscience research group. everybody uses word, and i am the sole lyx user hoping to win some followers. does anyone have a 30 min presentation show on lyx i can use? i am also interested in strong pro/con arguments i can use (i am aw