Re: Suggestion about classes

[James Frye]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

> We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
> probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
> to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
> complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. 

Well, we could argue about what constitutes good typography, and whether
Lyx/Latex/Tex actually implements it or just Knuth's tastes, but the only
typographical standards that're relevant to a thesis are the requirements
of your grad school.  If they want (as mine does) a 12-point font,
double-spaced with page numbers in the upper right corner, 1.2 inches from
the top, then that's what you give them.

> However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
> feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

Having been through it, I don't think it would be that hard to do most of
the simple stuff - some way to set margins, page number positions, heading
styles, etc - *IF* one had adequate documentation. Most of my time was
actually spent in trial & error, checking out this package or that to see
if it would really do what I needed.  Even some instructions would help.

James

(I've actually been trying to make a template out of mine.  It's pure
latex, not Lyx, but if anyone's interested I could tar it up and send it.  
Maybe next week, depending on how the skiing is...)

Marsden slide package

[christoff pale]

The slides produce by this package look
beautiful.
Has anyone make a marsden.layout for this?
This sure looks like a great/useful package
(I am aware of prosper, but this looks/seems
better for math related work)

many thanks
and here is the link:

http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~wgm/WARM/slides/marslide/v1/

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Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Dear Herbert,

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
> > probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
> > to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
>
> no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
> and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.

Are you advocating changing the layout file, putting LaTeX code in the
layout file instead of changing the LaTeX class file ? Wouldn't that get
very ugly, and difficult to maintain ? I thought it cleaner to make the
classfile and layout file from "codesnippets", like makebst makes bst's.

I do see that distributing the file would involve distributing the
classfile as well, which would make a bit more work than only distributing
the LaTeX file. And ofcource no need to run texhash. Is there any more
reasons to not change the LaTeX-class file and put the LaTeX code in the
layout file ?

> > complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
> > hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
> > Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
> > bad ide.
>
> I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
> between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.

I thought I understood them, however, how can I know if I understand them
or not ? I have changed both LaTeX-class files and LyX-layout files, So I
guess I know what they do, but if there are some deeper meaning I might
not have understood them. :-)

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
hard.
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?


We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.
I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.
If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.
no, he should look for an existing thesis class, there are a lot
of such specific document classes in the net.
Herert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

> I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
> It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
> as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
> complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
> hard.
>
> Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
> themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
> for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
> subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?

We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.

However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.

If none of the lyx classes fit your need, take a look at:
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/?action=/tex-archive/macros/latex/
and then have a look customization (part 6) in help menu in LyX. If you
need help, just ask the lyx-list.

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Wednesday 31 December 2003 00:36, Jade wrote:

> Thanks for making such a nice program !

Yeah. Always great to hear from people, who find their way to LyX. This is the 
ultimate tool for doing academic reports etc.

> I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
> It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as
> soon as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little
> more complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a
> little hard.

What do you miss in writing a thesis? Can't you use "report" og other?

-j

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Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Jade wrote:

I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents. 
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon 
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more 
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little 
hard. 
nonsense,
you are not the first one who wants to right a thesis
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define 
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does 
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/ 
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?
LaTeX knows by default:
part | chapter | section | subsection | subsubsection |
paragraph | subparagraph
and more is not senseful or do you mean that
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1   looks really nice??
Herbert

Suggestion about classes

[Jade]

Hello Lyx users & lyx makers. 

Thanks for making such a nice program !

I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents. 
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon 
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more 
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little 
hard. 

Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define 
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does 
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/ 
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?

By, 
Jade



 

Re: List of Algorithms

[Herbert Voss]

Christian Ridderström wrote:

you can change this in stdfloats.inc, copy this file
from /usr/local/share/lyx/layouts into your local
home dir ~/lyx/layouts
and then change the line with the title. Do this
change without a running LyX.


Is this sort of a bug? (i.e. that it has to be changed manually like this)
yes

Herbert