BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I would like to weigh in on this (not sure if this is the
right place). I really hope it would be possible to compile
in spite of bibtex errors. I have hundreds of
LyX files, and none of them compile any more.
Let's say I collaborate with a colleague (who uses
LaTeX). The colleague gives me a BiBTeX
file. I use a few references from there. But
the file has problems with other entries.
Now I have to go in and correct my colleagues
numerous (non-important) errors just
to get these few reference. 

One idea of LyX is that it's a front-end
to LaTeX. But now suddenly, things that
compile fine in LaTeX (many BibTeX errors
are non-essential) no longer works in
LyX. That makes it difficult to
collaborate with people who use LaTeX
(I certainly try to sell LyX to my colleagues,
but many are too used to pure LaTeX).

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

To elaborate a little further. So, to
compile my file I have to correct my
colleagues bibtex errors. But when
he then sends me an updated bibtex
file, I have to make the corrections all
over again. Of course I could send him
back his corrected bibtex file, but
that has its own set of issues, and
might not be popular.

As long as all collaborators use
LyX (2.1) it's not a problem. They will
get the bibtex errors, and will have
to correct them. But if some collaborators
use LaTeX, this can cause problems.
The issue with bibtex somewhat
breaks the compatibility between
LaTeX and LyX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Sorry, another example. I'm trying to make 2.1.0 work,
and correcting in BiBTeX, so I continually encounter issues. 
Say you have two bibtex
files X.bib and Y.bib. Some documents
use X.bib, some use Y.bib. Now you make
a new document that uses both X.bib and Y.bib,
but they have some entries repeated. It will
not compile. You
could delete those entries from X.bib
or Y.bib, but then files that rely on
only X.bib or Y.bib will no longer compile.

I feel there needs to be at least a
preference to disable checking bibtex errors,
although this has been rejected in previous
emails. This is really needed to collaborate
with people who use only LaTeX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Pavel Sanda]

Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
 I really hope it would be possible to compile
 in spite of bibtex errors.

It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 document 
classes available in my document settings?

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Richard Heck]

On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 
document classes available in my document settings?


I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install 
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but 
which package? So I guess you could try:

apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Pavel Sanda sanda at lyx.org writes:
 It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

OK, thanks. It has given my a lot of headache.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
 any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
 any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-publishers

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:27, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte wrote:
 On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users.
 Can any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra
I always install texlive-full

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

On 2014-04-18 19:07, Richard Heck wrote:

I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
which package? So I guess you could try:
apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then 
do:

sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard


Thanks, Richard, that was a good idea. I also needed apacite.sty which 
is provided by texlive-bibtex-extra. texlive-publishers provides 
apa.cls. The class is still not just working. I noticed some advice 
about reconfiguring LyX http://bit.ly/1eRTiHf, so I did that: 
dpkg-reconfigure http://bit.ly/1tjZprB. That did not appear to make a 
difference. LyX directed me to the User Guide which directed me to the 
Customization manual, but I need to take a break for tonight.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekindbr at alessandroduarte.com.br writes:

 I always install texlive-full

Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
packages several times.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Kete kete at ninthfloor.org writes:

 Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
 Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
 thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
 packages several times.
 
 


Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
necessary, later. Thanks

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Kete k...@ninthfloor.org wrote:
 Kete kete at ninthfloor.org writes:

 Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
 Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
 thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
 packages several times.




 Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
 necessary, later. Thanks

After the install, did you go to Tools  Reconfigure and then restart LyX?

Scott

SOLVED Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

On 2014-04-18 23:53, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
After the install, did you go to Tools  Reconfigure and then restart 
LyX?


Scott


Heehee, no, I did not figure out that. I thought reconfigure pertained 
to Debian packaging because of what I read last week. Thank you, that 
solved it.

BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I would like to weigh in on this (not sure if this is the
right place). I really hope it would be possible to compile
in spite of bibtex errors. I have hundreds of
LyX files, and none of them compile any more.
Let's say I collaborate with a colleague (who uses
LaTeX). The colleague gives me a BiBTeX
file. I use a few references from there. But
the file has problems with other entries.
Now I have to go in and correct my colleagues
numerous (non-important) errors just
to get these few reference. 

One idea of LyX is that it's a front-end
to LaTeX. But now suddenly, things that
compile fine in LaTeX (many BibTeX errors
are non-essential) no longer works in
LyX. That makes it difficult to
collaborate with people who use LaTeX
(I certainly try to sell LyX to my colleagues,
but many are too used to pure LaTeX).

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

To elaborate a little further. So, to
compile my file I have to correct my
colleagues bibtex errors. But when
he then sends me an updated bibtex
file, I have to make the corrections all
over again. Of course I could send him
back his corrected bibtex file, but
that has its own set of issues, and
might not be popular.

As long as all collaborators use
LyX (2.1) it's not a problem. They will
get the bibtex errors, and will have
to correct them. But if some collaborators
use LaTeX, this can cause problems.
The issue with bibtex somewhat
breaks the compatibility between
LaTeX and LyX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Sorry, another example. I'm trying to make 2.1.0 work,
and correcting in BiBTeX, so I continually encounter issues. 
Say you have two bibtex
files X.bib and Y.bib. Some documents
use X.bib, some use Y.bib. Now you make
a new document that uses both X.bib and Y.bib,
but they have some entries repeated. It will
not compile. You
could delete those entries from X.bib
or Y.bib, but then files that rely on
only X.bib or Y.bib will no longer compile.

I feel there needs to be at least a
preference to disable checking bibtex errors,
although this has been rejected in previous
emails. This is really needed to collaborate
with people who use only LaTeX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Pavel Sanda]

Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
 I really hope it would be possible to compile
 in spite of bibtex errors.

It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 document 
classes available in my document settings?

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Richard Heck]

On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 
document classes available in my document settings?


I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install 
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but 
which package? So I guess you could try:

apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Pavel Sanda sanda at lyx.org writes:
 It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

OK, thanks. It has given my a lot of headache.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
 any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
 any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-publishers

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:27, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte wrote:
 On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
 This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users.
 Can any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
 document classes available in my document settings?

 I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
 apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
 which package? So I guess you could try:
 apt-file search apa.cls
 and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 first.

 Richard

 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra
I always install texlive-full

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

On 2014-04-18 19:07, Richard Heck wrote:

I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
which package? So I guess you could try:
apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then 
do:

sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard


Thanks, Richard, that was a good idea. I also needed apacite.sty which 
is provided by texlive-bibtex-extra. texlive-publishers provides 
apa.cls. The class is still not just working. I noticed some advice 
about reconfiguring LyX http://bit.ly/1eRTiHf, so I did that: 
dpkg-reconfigure http://bit.ly/1tjZprB. That did not appear to make a 
difference. LyX directed me to the User Guide which directed me to the 
Customization manual, but I need to take a break for tonight.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekindbr at alessandroduarte.com.br writes:

 I always install texlive-full

Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
packages several times.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Kete kete at ninthfloor.org writes:

 Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
 Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
 thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
 packages several times.
 
 


Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
necessary, later. Thanks

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Kete k...@ninthfloor.org wrote:
 Kete kete at ninthfloor.org writes:

 Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
 Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
 thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
 packages several times.




 Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
 necessary, later. Thanks

After the install, did you go to Tools  Reconfigure and then restart LyX?

Scott

SOLVED Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

On 2014-04-18 23:53, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
After the install, did you go to Tools  Reconfigure and then restart 
LyX?


Scott


Heehee, no, I did not figure out that. I thought reconfigure pertained 
to Debian packaging because of what I read last week. Thank you, that 
solved it.

BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I would like to weigh in on this (not sure if this is the
right place). I really hope it would be possible to compile
in spite of bibtex errors. I have hundreds of
LyX files, and none of them compile any more.
Let's say I collaborate with a colleague (who uses
LaTeX). The colleague gives me a BiBTeX
file. I use a few references from there. But
the file has problems with other entries.
Now I have to go in and correct my colleagues
numerous (non-important) errors just
to get these few reference. 

One idea of LyX is that it's a front-end
to LaTeX. But now suddenly, things that
compile fine in LaTeX (many BibTeX errors
are non-essential) no longer works in
LyX. That makes it difficult to
collaborate with people who use LaTeX
(I certainly try to "sell" LyX to my colleagues,
but many are too used to pure LaTeX).

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

To elaborate a little further. So, to
compile my file I have to correct my
colleagues bibtex errors. But when
he then sends me an updated bibtex
file, I have to make the corrections all
over again. Of course I could send him
back his corrected bibtex file, but
that has its own set of issues, and
might not be popular.

As long as all collaborators use
LyX (2.1) it's not a problem. They will
get the bibtex errors, and will have
to correct them. But if some collaborators
use LaTeX, this can cause problems.
The issue with bibtex somewhat
breaks the compatibility between
LaTeX and LyX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Sorry, another example. I'm trying to make 2.1.0 work,
and correcting in BiBTeX, so I continually encounter issues. 
Say you have two bibtex
files X.bib and Y.bib. Some documents
use X.bib, some use Y.bib. Now you make
a new document that uses both X.bib and Y.bib,
but they have some entries repeated. It will
not compile. You
could delete those entries from X.bib
or Y.bib, but then files that rely on
only X.bib or Y.bib will no longer compile.

I feel there needs to be at least a
preference to disable checking bibtex errors,
although this has been rejected in previous
emails. This is really needed to collaborate
with people who use only LaTeX.

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Pavel Sanda]

Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
> I really hope it would be possible to compile
> in spite of bibtex errors.

It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 document 
classes available in my document settings?

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Richard Heck]

On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can 
any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6 
document classes available in my document settings?


I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install 
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but 
which package? So I guess you could try:

apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard

Re: BiBTeX and LyX 2.1.0rc1

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Pavel Sanda  lyx.org> writes:
> It is, the change was reverted for final 2.1.0. Pavel

OK, thanks. It has given my a lot of headache.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
> On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
>> This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
>> any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
>> document classes available in my document settings?
>
> I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
> apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
> which package? So I guess you could try:
> apt-file search apa.cls
> and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
> sudo apt-get install apt-file
> first.
>
> Richard
>
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
> On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
>> This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users. Can
>> any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
>> document classes available in my document settings?
>
> I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
> apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
> which package? So I guess you could try:
> apt-file search apa.cls
> and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
> sudo apt-get install apt-file
> first.
>
> Richard
>
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-publishers

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Alessandro Bandeira Duarte]

On 18-04-2014 20:27, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte wrote:
> On 18-04-2014 20:07, Richard Heck wrote:
>> On 04/18/2014 03:25 PM, kete wrote:
>>> This may be a question for Debian or Debian derivative Lyx users.
>>> Can any of you tell me how to make the article APA or article APA6
>>> document classes available in my document settings?
>>
>> I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
>> apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
>> which package? So I guess you could try:
>> apt-file search apa.cls
>> and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then do:
>> sudo apt-get install apt-file
>> first.
>>
>> Richard
>>
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/texlive-bibtex-extra
I always install texlive-full

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[kete]

On 2014-04-18 19:07, Richard Heck wrote:

I don't know exactly under Debian, but you need somehow to install
apa.cls and apa6.cls. The file is presumably provided by texlive, but
which package? So I guess you could try:
apt-file search apa.cls
and see if that gives you anything. If you don't have apt-file, then 
do:

sudo apt-get install apt-file
first.

Richard


Thanks, Richard, that was a good idea. I also needed apacite.sty which 
is provided by texlive-bibtex-extra. texlive-publishers provides 
apa.cls. The class is still not just working. I noticed some advice 
about "reconfiguring" LyX , so I did that: 
dpkg-reconfigure . That did not appear to make a 
difference. LyX directed me to the User Guide which directed me to the 
Customization manual, but I need to take a break for tonight.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Alessandro Bandeira Duarte  alessandroduarte.com.br> writes:

> I always install texlive-full

Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
packages several times.

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

Kete  ninthfloor.org> writes:

> Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
> Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
> thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
> packages several times.
> 
> 


Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
necessary, later. Thanks

Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Kete  wrote:
> Kete  ninthfloor.org> writes:
>
>> Ok, downloading the packages, now: taking 15 minutes. I tried it last week.
>> Maybe it didn't bring in the two packages that you and I mentioned in this
>> thread. Too bad there's no package cache to keep from downloading the same
>> packages several times.
>>
>>
>
>
> Still not there. I will go through the manuals and do some more searching if
> necessary, later. Thanks

After the install, did you go to Tools > Reconfigure and then restart LyX?

Scott

SOLVED Re: APA article document class DEB package

[Kete]

On 2014-04-18 23:53, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
After the install, did you go to Tools > Reconfigure and then restart 
LyX?


Scott


Heehee, no, I did not figure out that. I thought "reconfigure" pertained 
to Debian packaging because of what I read last week. Thank you, that 
solved it.