Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org - Tricks and Tips.) has a
prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

Bo

 
 Hi everybody
 I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
 LYX. Great!
 Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
 helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
 - copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
 - did texconfig and texhash
 - started LYX, edit-reconfigure
 - started LYX again: the new class is not there.
 I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
 so that seems alright.
 I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
 Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
 I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
 could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
 Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
 P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
 Thanks.
 Etienne Rochat
 
 You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
 I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
 the cluster example.

 I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
 But basic viewgraphs are all right.



Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

I forgot to tell you. I once put a prosper guide on the departmental
helpdesk. You can find it via http://www.stat.rice.edu/~helpdesk/howto.
Hope it helps. I can send you the layout files if you can not find them.

Bo

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:03:32PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

 I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org - Tricks and Tips.) has a
 prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

 Bo

  
  Hi everybody
  I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
  LYX. Great!
  Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
  helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
  - copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
  - did texconfig and texhash
  - started LYX, edit-reconfigure
  - started LYX again: the new class is not there.
  I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
  /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
  so that seems alright.
  I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
  Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
  I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
  could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
  Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
  P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
  Thanks.
  Etienne Rochat
  
  You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
  I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
  the cluster example.

  I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
  But basic viewgraphs are all right.




Re: Does LyX 1.2.0 support character styles?

2002-08-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes

Thomas Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| For my own documents i am using a file with a lot of \newcommand's 
| like
| \newcommand{\company} [1]   {\textbf{#1}}

yes...

| and then
| \newcommand{\redhat}   {\company{RedHat}\xspace}

but this would be a combination of what I call (static)
abbreviations and character styles.

| so what I get are two things. First a Character style \company and 
| an acronym \redhat,

nahh... redhat is not an acronym. PINE is an acronym (a recursive
acronym even ... Pine Is Not Elm)

| a better example should be DNA for 
| Desoxyribonucleinacid :).
| This could be placed somwhere in the ~/.lyx path or the user LaTeX 
| path and then nested to a character pulldown menu and a shorttag 
| pulldown menu in LyX.

To have these defined as LaTeX (be it character styles, acronyms or
abbreviation), is something I would be against. I do not want LyX to
be any more (La)TeX specific than it already is. To be able to import
these kind of definitions might be good though.

| The only problem is that this tags will not be used for a html 
| output with pdflatex (up to now).

We need to translate them into some LyX specific format.
 
| May be a standalone preamble file could be an other way to get this 
| behaviour. Then the files could be packed into a tgz file 
| including the original lyx file and the preamble file.

Naahh... not unless we have to.

| Another 
| benefit would be to use a user customizable editor for the 
| preamble. To my opinion the pramble window is at least a painfull 
| thing. :) (German: Ich finde, dass Arbeiten mit dem Präambel 
| Fenster ist zumindestens als schmerzhaft zu bezeichnen.)

Abbrevs, acronyms and character styles will not be settable from the
preamble... unless you also use ERT of course...

-- 
Lgb





indexing

2002-08-08 Thread Rodriguez

Hi,
I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
A
Agent,
Cognitive, 13
Definition, 4
Reactive, 12
B
Ball,
...
...
Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
find a solution to my problem.
Please let me know of any solutions.
Best regards,
Rodriguez




Re: indexing

2002-08-08 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:22:54PM -0300, Rodriguez wrote:

 Hi,
 I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
 A
 Agent,
 Cognitive, 13
 Definition, 4
 Reactive, 12
 B
 Ball,
 ...
 ...
 Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
find a solution to my problem.
 Please let me know of any solutions.

Enter

  Agent!Cognitive

where you want the Cognitive entry to be. See the index documentation
for more details (makeindex.dvi under /usr/share/texmf/doc/ etc.)

regards
john

-- 
It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims.
- Aristotle



Re: FrameMaker and Lyx interoperability via XML/SGML

2002-08-08 Thread Larry Kollar


Gal Aviel wrote:

[wants to switch from FrameMaker 5.5 to LyX]

I wrote a proposal a couple of years ago to do just that where
I work, kind of tongue-in-cheek but it got this -| |- close to
being approved.

 However this morning I saw that FrameMaker has a newer version,
 namely 7.0, and it's suppose to support DTD/XML/SGML. [...]
 
 The restriction which is imposed on me, is that I must supply other uses
 with valid FrameMaker files.
 
 My suggested intended flow is to write with Lyx/SGML, and when I'm done -
 open in FrameMaker and save as FrameMaker native .fm file, thus distributing
 to other users to continue to maintain my documents.

It's possible to set up a DocBook-based interchange between
Frame and LyX, but if you're not familar with SGML/XML it
will be difficult. There are several factors:

First, you have to get used to writing in a fairly strict,
structured environment. I've been doing this (using Frame
and a homegrown DTD) for several months now. It's hard at
first, not being able to use any paragraph/character style
anywhere you want to, but it does enforce consistency and
makes the document easier to maintain over time.

The really hard part is setting up the environment. The
good news is that (I think) Frame 7 comes with a fairly
complete DocBook application (the files it uses to drive
the transform between DocBook  Frame). The bad news is
that LyX does not provide the same strict structure for
editing DocBook, so you have to make sure that files from
LyX are valid before importing them into FrameMaker.

Finally, you should assume that once you import your file
into FrameMaker, that it may be hard to return the file to
LyX without losing some formatting information.


Speaking as a technical writer, FrameMaker is about as
good as *graphical* writing tools get[1]. If you push it
beyond basics, not even LyX can match it -- and LyX is
one of the finest open-source tools around. To be
specific, Frame's cross-reference support is extensive
and very flexible[2], not to mention things like document
variables and conditional text support... or the very
flexible page layout (especially compared to LaTeX, which
I personally find too rigid). It also does a fair job of
typesetting; not as good as (La)TeX but much better than
Word. (But Frame's footnote support is rather poor for
heavy use -- I don't use footnotes at work though.)

I assume that LyX is a good fit for the type of documents
you're writing... but converting those documents to Frame
may turn out to be non-trivial or require too much hand-
editing afterwards to be of much use. It's certainly worth
trying, and I hope it works for you.


[1] Note the qualifier, graphical. It's kind of
frustrating that after 17+ years of WYSIWYG, there are
still things that troff  TeX can do that are difficult
or impossible with GUI tools. I'm pushing Frame *hard*
at work these days with my current project, and sometimes
I'd like to move the whole thing to groff (the other
writers would scream bloody murder though).

[2] You can build references that include paragraph text,
numbering, page number, chapter number, on  on, with Frame.
One instance where Frame beats the text-based tools for
ease of use even for complex cases.


-- 
Larry Kollar   k o l l a r  at  a l l t e l . n e t
Content creators are the engine that drives value in the
information life cycle.   -- Barry Schaeffer, on XML-Doc



Instability of Lyx-1.2.0

2002-08-08 Thread Eildert Groeneveld

Hello everyone,
as an ardent usr of LyX I was very happy to use all those new features when 
LyX-1.2.0 came out. Now we are in the process of advertizing its use on a 
larger scale at our institution. Only problem is: LyX is very unstable and 
slow so that we will scare people away more than convince them to use LyX.
This instability pertains to mostly to table as does the really slow speed. 
When cutting and pasting for instance lyx bombs out kind of regularly.
We have a RedHat 7.3 system with xforms-0.89-3

Also, there do not seem to be rpms of a higher patchlevel around.
We have lyx-1.2.0-1 installed.

Is this a general problem?

greetings

Eildert Groeneveld
==
Institute for Animal Science
Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany
Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 92579
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.tzv.fal.de/~eg/
==



Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org - Tricks and Tips.) has a
prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

Bo

 
 Hi everybody
 I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
 LYX. Great!
 Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
 helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
 - copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
 - did texconfig and texhash
 - started LYX, edit-reconfigure
 - started LYX again: the new class is not there.
 I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
 so that seems alright.
 I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
 Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
 I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
 could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
 Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
 P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
 Thanks.
 Etienne Rochat
 
 You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
 I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
 the cluster example.

 I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
 But basic viewgraphs are all right.



Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

I forgot to tell you. I once put a prosper guide on the departmental
helpdesk. You can find it via http://www.stat.rice.edu/~helpdesk/howto.
Hope it helps. I can send you the layout files if you can not find them.

Bo

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:03:32PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

 I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org - Tricks and Tips.) has a
 prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

 Bo

  
  Hi everybody
  I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
  LYX. Great!
  Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
  helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
  - copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
  - did texconfig and texhash
  - started LYX, edit-reconfigure
  - started LYX again: the new class is not there.
  I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
  /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
  so that seems alright.
  I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
  Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
  I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
  could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
  Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
  P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
  Thanks.
  Etienne Rochat
  
  You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
  I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
  the cluster example.

  I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
  But basic viewgraphs are all right.




Re: Does LyX 1.2.0 support character styles?

2002-08-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes

Thomas Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| For my own documents i am using a file with a lot of \newcommand's 
| like
| \newcommand{\company} [1]   {\textbf{#1}}

yes...

| and then
| \newcommand{\redhat}   {\company{RedHat}\xspace}

but this would be a combination of what I call (static)
abbreviations and character styles.

| so what I get are two things. First a Character style \company and 
| an acronym \redhat,

nahh... redhat is not an acronym. PINE is an acronym (a recursive
acronym even ... Pine Is Not Elm)

| a better example should be DNA for 
| Desoxyribonucleinacid :).
| This could be placed somwhere in the ~/.lyx path or the user LaTeX 
| path and then nested to a character pulldown menu and a shorttag 
| pulldown menu in LyX.

To have these defined as LaTeX (be it character styles, acronyms or
abbreviation), is something I would be against. I do not want LyX to
be any more (La)TeX specific than it already is. To be able to import
these kind of definitions might be good though.

| The only problem is that this tags will not be used for a html 
| output with pdflatex (up to now).

We need to translate them into some LyX specific format.
 
| May be a standalone preamble file could be an other way to get this 
| behaviour. Then the files could be packed into a tgz file 
| including the original lyx file and the preamble file.

Naahh... not unless we have to.

| Another 
| benefit would be to use a user customizable editor for the 
| preamble. To my opinion the pramble window is at least a painfull 
| thing. :) (German: Ich finde, dass Arbeiten mit dem Präambel 
| Fenster ist zumindestens als schmerzhaft zu bezeichnen.)

Abbrevs, acronyms and character styles will not be settable from the
preamble... unless you also use ERT of course...

-- 
Lgb





indexing

2002-08-08 Thread Rodriguez

Hi,
I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
A
Agent,
Cognitive, 13
Definition, 4
Reactive, 12
B
Ball,
...
...
Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
find a solution to my problem.
Please let me know of any solutions.
Best regards,
Rodriguez




Re: indexing

2002-08-08 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:22:54PM -0300, Rodriguez wrote:

 Hi,
 I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
 A
 Agent,
 Cognitive, 13
 Definition, 4
 Reactive, 12
 B
 Ball,
 ...
 ...
 Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
find a solution to my problem.
 Please let me know of any solutions.

Enter

  Agent!Cognitive

where you want the Cognitive entry to be. See the index documentation
for more details (makeindex.dvi under /usr/share/texmf/doc/ etc.)

regards
john

-- 
It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims.
- Aristotle



Re: FrameMaker and Lyx interoperability via XML/SGML

2002-08-08 Thread Larry Kollar


Gal Aviel wrote:

[wants to switch from FrameMaker 5.5 to LyX]

I wrote a proposal a couple of years ago to do just that where
I work, kind of tongue-in-cheek but it got this -| |- close to
being approved.

 However this morning I saw that FrameMaker has a newer version,
 namely 7.0, and it's suppose to support DTD/XML/SGML. [...]
 
 The restriction which is imposed on me, is that I must supply other uses
 with valid FrameMaker files.
 
 My suggested intended flow is to write with Lyx/SGML, and when I'm done -
 open in FrameMaker and save as FrameMaker native .fm file, thus distributing
 to other users to continue to maintain my documents.

It's possible to set up a DocBook-based interchange between
Frame and LyX, but if you're not familar with SGML/XML it
will be difficult. There are several factors:

First, you have to get used to writing in a fairly strict,
structured environment. I've been doing this (using Frame
and a homegrown DTD) for several months now. It's hard at
first, not being able to use any paragraph/character style
anywhere you want to, but it does enforce consistency and
makes the document easier to maintain over time.

The really hard part is setting up the environment. The
good news is that (I think) Frame 7 comes with a fairly
complete DocBook application (the files it uses to drive
the transform between DocBook  Frame). The bad news is
that LyX does not provide the same strict structure for
editing DocBook, so you have to make sure that files from
LyX are valid before importing them into FrameMaker.

Finally, you should assume that once you import your file
into FrameMaker, that it may be hard to return the file to
LyX without losing some formatting information.


Speaking as a technical writer, FrameMaker is about as
good as *graphical* writing tools get[1]. If you push it
beyond basics, not even LyX can match it -- and LyX is
one of the finest open-source tools around. To be
specific, Frame's cross-reference support is extensive
and very flexible[2], not to mention things like document
variables and conditional text support... or the very
flexible page layout (especially compared to LaTeX, which
I personally find too rigid). It also does a fair job of
typesetting; not as good as (La)TeX but much better than
Word. (But Frame's footnote support is rather poor for
heavy use -- I don't use footnotes at work though.)

I assume that LyX is a good fit for the type of documents
you're writing... but converting those documents to Frame
may turn out to be non-trivial or require too much hand-
editing afterwards to be of much use. It's certainly worth
trying, and I hope it works for you.


[1] Note the qualifier, graphical. It's kind of
frustrating that after 17+ years of WYSIWYG, there are
still things that troff  TeX can do that are difficult
or impossible with GUI tools. I'm pushing Frame *hard*
at work these days with my current project, and sometimes
I'd like to move the whole thing to groff (the other
writers would scream bloody murder though).

[2] You can build references that include paragraph text,
numbering, page number, chapter number, on  on, with Frame.
One instance where Frame beats the text-based tools for
ease of use even for complex cases.


-- 
Larry Kollar   k o l l a r  at  a l l t e l . n e t
Content creators are the engine that drives value in the
information life cycle.   -- Barry Schaeffer, on XML-Doc



Instability of Lyx-1.2.0

2002-08-08 Thread Eildert Groeneveld

Hello everyone,
as an ardent usr of LyX I was very happy to use all those new features when 
LyX-1.2.0 came out. Now we are in the process of advertizing its use on a 
larger scale at our institution. Only problem is: LyX is very unstable and 
slow so that we will scare people away more than convince them to use LyX.
This instability pertains to mostly to table as does the really slow speed. 
When cutting and pasting for instance lyx bombs out kind of regularly.
We have a RedHat 7.3 system with xforms-0.89-3

Also, there do not seem to be rpms of a higher patchlevel around.
We have lyx-1.2.0-1 installed.

Is this a general problem?

greetings

Eildert Groeneveld
==
Institute for Animal Science
Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany
Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 92579
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.tzv.fal.de/~eg/
==



Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org -> Tricks and Tips.) has a
prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

Bo

> >>
> >>Hi everybody
> >>I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
> >>LYX. Great!
> >>Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
> >>helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
> >>- copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
> >>- did texconfig and texhash
> >>- started LYX, edit-reconfigure
> >>- started LYX again: the new class is not there.
> >>I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
> >>/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
> >>so that seems alright.
> >>I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
> >>Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
> >>I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
> >>could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
> >>Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
> >>P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
> >>Thanks.
> >>Etienne Rochat
> >>
> You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
> I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
> the cluster example.

> I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
> But basic viewgraphs are all right.



Re: Lyx and prosper

2002-08-08 Thread Bo Peng

I forgot to tell you. I once put a prosper guide on the departmental
helpdesk. You can find it via http://www.stat.rice.edu/~helpdesk/howto.
Hope it helps. I can send you the layout files if you can not find them.

Bo

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:03:32PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:11:32PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:

> I remember that Lyx tricks (www.lyx.org -> Tricks and Tips.) has a
> prosper link and point to the style files. Good luck.

> Bo

> > >>
> > >>Hi everybody
> > >>I recently moved to linux (currently running red hat 7.3) and I discovered 
> > >>LYX. Great!
> > >>Now, I am preparing a presentation and found that prosper.cls could be very 
> > >>helpful. Unfortunately, I can't have it running properly. I did the folowing
> > >>- copy the .cls and .sty files into ...tex/latex/prosper
> > >>- did texconfig and texhash
> > >>- started LYX, edit-reconfigure
> > >>- started LYX again: the new class is not there.
> > >>I checked with kpsewhich format=tex prosper.cls and received
> > >>/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/prosper/prosper.cls
> > >>so that seems alright.
> > >>I then read the mail archives and found the discussion between Bo Peng and 
> > >>Kayvan A. Sylvan (March 17, 2002), followed there advices but still nothing. 
> > >>I can't see that prosper class from within LYX. I checked with Kile if I 
> > >>could compile any example, and it does work perfectly.
> > >>Now, what next The deadline is getting close and I am not going to use 
> > >>P...P... again. Can anybody please help me?
> > >>Thanks.
> > >>Etienne Rochat
> > >>
> > You need the layout as well, which points to the class.
> > I can send you separately what I've got there, unless you retrieved already
> > the cluster example.

> > I'm afraid you will need some ERT to be able to use the overlay facility.
> > But basic viewgraphs are all right.




Re: Does LyX 1.2.0 support character styles?

2002-08-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes

Thomas Templin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| For my own documents i am using a file with a lot of \newcommand's 
| like
| \newcommand{\company} [1]   {\textbf{#1}}

yes...

| and then
| \newcommand{\redhat}   {\company{RedHat}\xspace}

but this would be a combination of what I call (static)
"abbreviations" and character styles.

| so what I get are two things. First a Character style \company and 
| an acronym \redhat,

nahh... redhat is not an acronym. PINE is an acronym (a recursive
acronym even ... Pine Is Not Elm)

| a better example should be DNA for 
| Desoxyribonucleinacid :).
| This could be placed somwhere in the ~/.lyx path or the user LaTeX 
| path and then nested to a character pulldown menu and a shorttag 
| pulldown menu in LyX.

To have these defined as LaTeX (be it character styles, acronyms or
abbreviation), is something I would be against. I do not want LyX to
be any more (La)TeX specific than it already is. To be able to import
these kind of definitions might be good though.

| The only problem is that this tags will not be used for a html 
| output with pdflatex (up to now).

We need to translate them into some LyX specific format.
 
| May be a standalone preamble file could be an other way to get this 
| behaviour. Then the files could be packed into a tgz file 
| including the original lyx file and the preamble file.

Naahh... not unless we have to.

| Another 
| benefit would be to use a user customizable editor for the 
| preamble. To my opinion the pramble window is at least a painfull 
| thing. :) (German: Ich finde, dass Arbeiten mit dem Präambel 
| Fenster ist zumindestens als schmerzhaft zu bezeichnen.)

Abbrevs, acronyms and character styles will not be settable from the
preamble... unless you also use ERT of course...

-- 
Lgb





indexing

2002-08-08 Thread Rodriguez

Hi,
I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
A
Agent,
Cognitive, 13
Definition, 4
Reactive, 12
B
Ball,
...
...
Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
find a solution to my problem.
Please let me know of any solutions.
Best regards,
Rodriguez




Re: indexing

2002-08-08 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:22:54PM -0300, Rodriguez wrote:

> Hi,
> I am new in lyx and latex, and i been trying to create an index like
> A
> Agent,
> Cognitive, 13
> Definition, 4
> Reactive, 12
> B
> Ball,
> ...
> ...
> Although i've searched in the lyx site and serveral other latex/lyx sites a couldn't 
>find a solution to my problem.
> Please let me know of any solutions.

Enter

  Agent!Cognitive

where you want the Cognitive entry to be. See the index documentation
for more details (makeindex.dvi under /usr/share/texmf/doc/ etc.)

regards
john

-- 
"It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims."
- Aristotle



Re: FrameMaker and Lyx interoperability via XML/SGML

2002-08-08 Thread Larry Kollar


Gal Aviel wrote:

[wants to switch from FrameMaker 5.5 to LyX]

I wrote a proposal a couple of years ago to do just that where
I work, kind of tongue-in-cheek but it got this -| |- close to
being approved.

> However this morning I saw that FrameMaker has a newer version,
> namely 7.0, and it's suppose to support DTD/XML/SGML. [...]
> 
> The restriction which is imposed on me, is that I must supply other uses
> with valid FrameMaker files.
> 
> My suggested intended flow is to write with Lyx/SGML, and when I'm done -
> open in FrameMaker and save as FrameMaker native .fm file, thus distributing
> to other users to continue to maintain my documents.

It's possible to set up a DocBook-based interchange between
Frame and LyX, but if you're not familar with SGML/XML it
will be difficult. There are several factors:

First, you have to get used to writing in a fairly strict,
structured environment. I've been doing this (using Frame
and a homegrown DTD) for several months now. It's hard at
first, not being able to use any paragraph/character style
anywhere you want to, but it does enforce consistency and
makes the document easier to maintain over time.

The really hard part is setting up the environment. The
good news is that (I think) Frame 7 comes with a fairly
complete DocBook "application" (the files it uses to drive
the transform between DocBook & Frame). The bad news is
that LyX does not provide the same strict structure for
editing DocBook, so you have to make sure that files from
LyX are valid before importing them into FrameMaker.

Finally, you should assume that once you import your file
into FrameMaker, that it may be hard to return the file to
LyX without losing some formatting information.


Speaking as a technical writer, FrameMaker is about as
good as *graphical* writing tools get[1]. If you push it
beyond basics, not even LyX can match it -- and LyX is
one of the finest open-source tools around. To be
specific, Frame's cross-reference support is extensive
and very flexible[2], not to mention things like document
variables and conditional text support... or the very
flexible page layout (especially compared to LaTeX, which
I personally find too rigid). It also does a fair job of
typesetting; not as good as (La)TeX but much better than
Word. (But Frame's footnote support is rather poor for
heavy use -- I don't use footnotes at work though.)

I assume that LyX is a good fit for the type of documents
you're writing... but converting those documents to Frame
may turn out to be non-trivial or require too much hand-
editing afterwards to be of much use. It's certainly worth
trying, and I hope it works for you.


[1] Note the qualifier, "graphical." It's kind of
frustrating that after 17+ years of WYSIWYG, there are
still things that troff & TeX can do that are difficult
or impossible with GUI tools. I'm pushing Frame *hard*
at work these days with my current project, and sometimes
I'd like to move the whole thing to groff (the other
writers would scream bloody murder though).

[2] You can build references that include paragraph text,
numbering, page number, chapter number, on & on, with Frame.
One instance where Frame beats the text-based tools for
ease of use even for complex cases.


-- 
Larry Kollar   k o l l a r  at  a l l t e l . n e t
"Content creators are the engine that drives value in the
information life cycle."   -- Barry Schaeffer, on XML-Doc



Instability of Lyx-1.2.0

2002-08-08 Thread Eildert Groeneveld

Hello everyone,
as an ardent usr of LyX I was very happy to use all those new features when 
LyX-1.2.0 came out. Now we are in the process of advertizing its use on a 
larger scale at our institution. Only problem is: LyX is very unstable and 
slow so that we will scare people away more than convince them to use LyX.
This instability pertains to mostly to table as does the really slow speed. 
When cutting and pasting for instance lyx bombs out kind of regularly.
We have a RedHat 7.3 system with xforms-0.89-3

Also, there do not seem to be rpms of a higher patchlevel around.
We have lyx-1.2.0-1 installed.

Is this a general problem?

greetings

Eildert Groeneveld
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