Re: Centering Spacing
To: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Centering Spacing Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. Export LaTeX produces this code: \begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} \begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} \begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: mwcls documentation help
Bob == Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a Bob thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is Bob where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with Bob it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I Bob found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an Bob exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm Bob trying to find documentation for this document class but I can Bob only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English Bob documentation? What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish texts. JMarc
Re: Navigation in math formulas is not good in 1.4.2
Micha == Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Micha Not sure if I see the same problems but at least when mixed Micha with hebrew text it behaves very bad. Micha The math object is handled is a right left object when Micha selecting it when embeded in RTL text but the selection is all Micha wrong (it empty area to the left of displayed equations is Micha shown as selected instead of the equation itself). Micha The whole bidi interaction with math objects makes them almost Micha impossible to properly select and also to work with. How is math supposed to work in hebrew texts? Left-to-Right or Right-to-left? JMarc
Aspell and language de_CH
Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David
Re: Centering Spacing
But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. Bruce On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: To: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Centering Spacing Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. Export LaTeX produces this code: \begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} \begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} \begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? It is weird -- I tried to find out what is the status of support of de_CH in LaTeX, but it seems to be pretty nonexistent (be aware, that I don't speak German at all, so I know nearly nothing about this subtleties). Neither in $TEXMF/tex/generic/babel/ nor in /usr/share/lyx/languages I found anything mentioned about swiss. Try to ask here http://www.swiss-tug.ch/ If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. The best language seems to me to be NGerman, but why aspell makes troubles I don't know -- /usr/share/lyx/languages clearly indicates that the language should be de_DE and if you have correctly installed aspell-de than its dictionary should be present. What do you get when running ls /usr/lib/aspell/swiss* /usr/lib/aspell/de* ? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three: one to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.
Re: Centering Spacing
Cc: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called displayed-paragraph environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. -- Jean-Pierre
change tracking in 1.4.2
my change tracking does not appear in output. i exported DVI, and ran dvips, however, it complains: dvips: Could not find figure file dvipost:; continuing dvips is installed on the box, but lyx/dvips is apparently not aware of this. what can i do? martin
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Martin A. Hansen wrote: what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. martin On 8/25/06, Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin A. Hansen wrote: what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Hi, I'm a PhD student and I'd like to use LyX for my thesis. I'm new to LyX (although I have written one research paper in LaTeX using TeXnicCenter). I've read the Introduction, Tutorial and part of the User's Guide. I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Thanks in advance, Cheers, Chris
Re: Centering Spacing
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: Cc: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called displayed-paragraph environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX-LaTeX conversion inserts a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. /Paul
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Martin == Martin A Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost Martin installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? JMarc
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David What happens if you put de_CH in Tools-Preferences-Language settings-Spellchecker-Alternative language? /Paul
Re: Centering Spacing
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: [...] I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX-LaTeX conversion inserts a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. 1.3.7 and 1.4.2 layouts are alike here, I don't know why this \par (blank line) has been added (but a LaTeX guru must know :-) Take a look at the letter template: you will see that flushed environments (which have the same displayed paragraph property as center, quote, tabbing,...) are structured with linebreaks. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
Thats what I was looking for. Thanks a lot! David Paul A. Rubin schrieb: david wrote: Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David What happens if you put de_CH in Tools-Preferences-Language settings-Spellchecker-Alternative language? /Paul
Diffing lyx files
Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to diff lyx files. I've found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but haven't been able to get either of them to work. What's the consensus these days on how best to do this? Thanks, --Steve Stephen Gross Case Western School of Medicine Cleveland, OH By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged. - Dr. Lazarus
Re: Diffing lyx files
possibly try kdiff3 --- Stephen Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to diff lyx files. I've found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but haven't been able to get either of them to work. What's the consensus these days on how best to do this? Thanks, --Steve Stephen Gross Case Western School of Medicine Cleveland, OH By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged. - Dr. Lazarus __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? I.e., what do you get with kpsewhich dvipost.sty Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. -- Clarence Darrow
Re: mwcls documentation help
Hello, It's not that I really have a preference as to the document class, but I am being constrained by the regulations of a Thesis layout from the University and I'm trying to use the document class that requires the least amount of modification. Currently I am using the memoir class but have still encountered a couple of formatting issues that I haven't been able to figure out even with the 300+ page documentation for it. I've also been experimenting with book (koma-script), report(koma-script), and a couple of others. However, it seems that each class has some formatting issue that I have to try and resolve and it is becoming extremely tedious to try and read the documentation for each class and try to modify them to my needs. For the most part, the formatting has come down to the toc. I need dotted leaders for all entries including chapters, toc, lof, lot, bib, appendix, and chapter* sections or chapter sections that are not numbered by using the \frontmatter command. Also the Appendix format in the toc needs to be Appendix A. title . . . . . . \thepage. This is where the mwcls has given me almost all of these formatting requirements except the page number needs to be in the right header on every page in the document and the toc needs to be included in the toc. Without documentation I haven't been able to figure out how to get the page number there. I just need to know how to change the chapter page style to get the page number displayed in the right header using the default myheadings pagestyle like you can in the memoir and koma-script classes. Also, the tocbibind package doesn't seem to be compatible with this document class to include the toc in the toc. I have had a lot of success with the memoir class. This is actually my preferred document class right now for my thesis. Using the \chaptersyle{article} has given me almost everything I need. All that is left is to have dotted leaders for chapters in the toc and to figure out how to change the Appendix style. I need the appendix style to be Appendix A 'title' . . . \thepage in the toc and Appendix A 'title' on the appendix page. I've been through most of the memoir documentation and there seems to be some way of changing the Appendix name by \appendixname but it hasn't worked for me. I am still pretty new to all of this so I may be missing some important step. Any help or additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob Lounsbury On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 12:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Bob == Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a Bob thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is Bob where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with Bob it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I Bob found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an Bob exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm Bob trying to find documentation for this document class but I can Bob only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English Bob documentation? What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish texts. JMarc
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Chris Share wrote: I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Richard Heck wrote: Chris Share wrote: I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. I tried what you suggested however the page number still doesn't appear. Any ideas? Cheers, Chris 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Package inputenc Error
LyX 1.4.1 I am probably making a mistake which I don't understand: In a document I input the following: part* section* tex\setcounter{footnote}{0} T X T with some footnotes and index inputs New page section* with the following title N°1 b, (p.6). Then when I try to display with PDF_(pdflatex), I got the following error window -- upper part: Package inputenc Error: keyboard character is undefined lower part: You need to provide a definition with \DeclareInputText or \DeclareInputMath before using this key - If I remove the section* after New page then there is no problem Any Clue! Thanks Paul
Re: Centering Spacing
To: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Centering Spacing Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. Export LaTeX produces this code: \begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} \begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} \begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: mwcls documentation help
Bob == Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a Bob thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is Bob where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with Bob it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I Bob found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an Bob exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm Bob trying to find documentation for this document class but I can Bob only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English Bob documentation? What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish texts. JMarc
Re: Navigation in math formulas is not good in 1.4.2
Micha == Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Micha Not sure if I see the same problems but at least when mixed Micha with hebrew text it behaves very bad. Micha The math object is handled is a right left object when Micha selecting it when embeded in RTL text but the selection is all Micha wrong (it empty area to the left of displayed equations is Micha shown as selected instead of the equation itself). Micha The whole bidi interaction with math objects makes them almost Micha impossible to properly select and also to work with. How is math supposed to work in hebrew texts? Left-to-Right or Right-to-left? JMarc
Aspell and language de_CH
Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David
Re: Centering Spacing
But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. Bruce On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: To: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Centering Spacing Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. Export LaTeX produces this code: \begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} \begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} \begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? It is weird -- I tried to find out what is the status of support of de_CH in LaTeX, but it seems to be pretty nonexistent (be aware, that I don't speak German at all, so I know nearly nothing about this subtleties). Neither in $TEXMF/tex/generic/babel/ nor in /usr/share/lyx/languages I found anything mentioned about swiss. Try to ask here http://www.swiss-tug.ch/ If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. The best language seems to me to be NGerman, but why aspell makes troubles I don't know -- /usr/share/lyx/languages clearly indicates that the language should be de_DE and if you have correctly installed aspell-de than its dictionary should be present. What do you get when running ls /usr/lib/aspell/swiss* /usr/lib/aspell/de* ? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three: one to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.
Re: Centering Spacing
Cc: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called displayed-paragraph environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. -- Jean-Pierre
change tracking in 1.4.2
my change tracking does not appear in output. i exported DVI, and ran dvips, however, it complains: dvips: Could not find figure file dvipost:; continuing dvips is installed on the box, but lyx/dvips is apparently not aware of this. what can i do? martin
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Martin A. Hansen wrote: what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. martin On 8/25/06, Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin A. Hansen wrote: what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Hi, I'm a PhD student and I'd like to use LyX for my thesis. I'm new to LyX (although I have written one research paper in LaTeX using TeXnicCenter). I've read the Introduction, Tutorial and part of the User's Guide. I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Thanks in advance, Cheers, Chris
Re: Centering Spacing
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: Cc: LyXFolks lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 To: Jean-Pierre Chretien [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called displayed-paragraph environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX-LaTeX conversion inserts a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. /Paul
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Martin == Martin A Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost Martin installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? JMarc
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David What happens if you put de_CH in Tools-Preferences-Language settings-Spellchecker-Alternative language? /Paul
Re: Centering Spacing
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org From: Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: [...] I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX-LaTeX conversion inserts a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. 1.3.7 and 1.4.2 layouts are alike here, I don't know why this \par (blank line) has been added (but a LaTeX guru must know :-) Take a look at the letter template: you will see that flushed environments (which have the same displayed paragraph property as center, quote, tabbing,...) are structured with linebreaks. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
Thats what I was looking for. Thanks a lot! David Paul A. Rubin schrieb: david wrote: Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung) in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose Deutsch the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David What happens if you put de_CH in Tools-Preferences-Language settings-Spellchecker-Alternative language? /Paul
Diffing lyx files
Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to diff lyx files. I've found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but haven't been able to get either of them to work. What's the consensus these days on how best to do this? Thanks, --Steve Stephen Gross Case Western School of Medicine Cleveland, OH By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged. - Dr. Lazarus
Re: Diffing lyx files
possibly try kdiff3 --- Stephen Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to diff lyx files. I've found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but haven't been able to get either of them to work. What's the consensus these days on how best to do this? Thanks, --Steve Stephen Gross Case Western School of Medicine Cleveland, OH By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged. - Dr. Lazarus __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? I.e., what do you get with kpsewhich dvipost.sty Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. -- Clarence Darrow
Re: mwcls documentation help
Hello, It's not that I really have a preference as to the document class, but I am being constrained by the regulations of a Thesis layout from the University and I'm trying to use the document class that requires the least amount of modification. Currently I am using the memoir class but have still encountered a couple of formatting issues that I haven't been able to figure out even with the 300+ page documentation for it. I've also been experimenting with book (koma-script), report(koma-script), and a couple of others. However, it seems that each class has some formatting issue that I have to try and resolve and it is becoming extremely tedious to try and read the documentation for each class and try to modify them to my needs. For the most part, the formatting has come down to the toc. I need dotted leaders for all entries including chapters, toc, lof, lot, bib, appendix, and chapter* sections or chapter sections that are not numbered by using the \frontmatter command. Also the Appendix format in the toc needs to be Appendix A. title . . . . . . \thepage. This is where the mwcls has given me almost all of these formatting requirements except the page number needs to be in the right header on every page in the document and the toc needs to be included in the toc. Without documentation I haven't been able to figure out how to get the page number there. I just need to know how to change the chapter page style to get the page number displayed in the right header using the default myheadings pagestyle like you can in the memoir and koma-script classes. Also, the tocbibind package doesn't seem to be compatible with this document class to include the toc in the toc. I have had a lot of success with the memoir class. This is actually my preferred document class right now for my thesis. Using the \chaptersyle{article} has given me almost everything I need. All that is left is to have dotted leaders for chapters in the toc and to figure out how to change the Appendix style. I need the appendix style to be Appendix A 'title' . . . \thepage in the toc and Appendix A 'title' on the appendix page. I've been through most of the memoir documentation and there seems to be some way of changing the Appendix name by \appendixname but it hasn't worked for me. I am still pretty new to all of this so I may be missing some important step. Any help or additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob Lounsbury On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 12:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Bob == Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a Bob thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is Bob where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with Bob it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I Bob found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an Bob exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm Bob trying to find documentation for this document class but I can Bob only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English Bob documentation? What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish texts. JMarc
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Chris Share wrote: I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Richard Heck wrote: Chris Share wrote: I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are reports. I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. I tried what you suggested however the page number still doesn't appear. Any ideas? Cheers, Chris 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled Chapter 1. Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Package inputenc Error
LyX 1.4.1 I am probably making a mistake which I don't understand: In a document I input the following: part* section* tex\setcounter{footnote}{0} T X T with some footnotes and index inputs New page section* with the following title N°1 b, (p.6). Then when I try to display with PDF_(pdflatex), I got the following error window -- upper part: Package inputenc Error: keyboard character is undefined lower part: You need to provide a definition with \DeclareInputText or \DeclareInputMath before using this key - If I remove the section* after New page then there is no problem Any Clue! Thanks Paul
Re: Centering Spacing
>>To: LyXFolks>>From: Bruce Pourciau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Centering Spacing >>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 >> >>When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and >>centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something >>like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I >>select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the >>paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. >> >>Export > LaTeX produces this code: >> >>\begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} >> >>\begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} >> >>\begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} >> >>Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: mwcls documentation help
> "Bob" == Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bob> Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a Bob> thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is Bob> where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with Bob> it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I Bob> found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an Bob> exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm Bob> trying to find documentation for this document class but I can Bob> only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English Bob> documentation? What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish texts. JMarc
Re: Navigation in math formulas is not good in 1.4.2
> "Micha" == Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Micha> Not sure if I see the same problems but at least when mixed Micha> with hebrew text it behaves very bad. Micha> The math object is handled is a right left object when Micha> selecting it when embeded in RTL text but the selection is all Micha> wrong (it empty area to the left of displayed equations is Micha> shown as selected instead of the equation itself). Micha> The whole bidi interaction with math objects makes them almost Micha> impossible to properly select and also to work with. How is math supposed to work in hebrew texts? Left-to-Right or Right-to-left? JMarc
Aspell and language de_CH
Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose "Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung)" in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose "Deutsch" the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David
Re: Centering Spacing
But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. Bruce On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: To: LyXFolksFrom: Bruce Pourciau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Centering Spacing Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:51 -0500 When I took some single-spaced indented one-line paragraphs and centered them, the pdf output showed them double-spaced (or something like double-spaced). Why don't they remain single-spaced? Even if I select these centered paragraphs and choose single-space in the paragraph settings, the output remains double-spaced. Export > LaTeX produces this code: \begin{center}Scaling Reality:\par\end{center} \begin{center}A Study in Dialectical Sophistry\par\end{center} \begin{center}Tab LaRosa\par\end{center} Anybody know what's up? It's not double spacing, it's interparpagraph spacing... Either you enter a line break betwen lines to remain in the same paragraph (C-enter), or you redifine the interparagraph spacing. HTH -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: > How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? It is weird -- I tried to find out what is the status of support of de_CH in LaTeX, but it seems to be pretty nonexistent (be aware, that I don't speak German at all, so I know nearly nothing about this subtleties). Neither in $TEXMF/tex/generic/babel/ nor in /usr/share/lyx/languages I found anything mentioned about swiss. Try to ask here http://www.swiss-tug.ch/ > If I chose "Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung)" in the document properties > (format/document) I get an error message: > The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. The best language seems to me to be NGerman, but why aspell makes troubles I don't know -- /usr/share/lyx/languages clearly indicates that the language should be de_DE and if you have correctly installed aspell-de than its dictionary should be present. What do you get when running ls /usr/lib/aspell/swiss* /usr/lib/aspell/de* ? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three: one to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.
Re: Centering Spacing
>>Cc: LyXFolks>>From: Bruce Pourciau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Centering Spacing >>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 >>To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs >>are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the >>one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called "displayed-paragraph" environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. -- Jean-Pierre
change tracking in 1.4.2
my change tracking does not appear in output. i exported DVI, and ran dvips, however, it complains: dvips: Could not find figure file dvipost:; continuing dvips is installed on the box, but lyx/dvips is apparently not aware of this. what can i do? martin
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Martin A. Hansen wrote: > what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. martin On 8/25/06, Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Martin A. Hansen wrote: > what can i do? Install dvipost (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/ or from your distribution) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet
Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Hi, I'm a PhD student and I'd like to use LyX for my thesis. I'm new to LyX (although I have written one research paper in LaTeX using TeXnicCenter). I've read the Introduction, Tutorial and part of the User's Guide. I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are "reports". I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled "Chapter 1". Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Thanks in advance, Cheers, Chris
Re: Centering Spacing
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: Cc: LyXFolksFrom: Bruce Pourciau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Centering Spacing Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0500 To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But why would the inter-paragraph spacing change when the paragraphs are centered? Before centering, there was no extra line between the one-line paragraphs. You're right, center is a so-called "displayed-paragraph" environment (which adds space above and below at each occurrence), so this is one situation where you need to use line breaks to format one single centered paragraph. So you type in the single lines separated by C-enter, then you center the paragraph. Sorry for the misleading answer. I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX->LaTeX conversion inserts a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. /Paul
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
> "Martin" == Martin A Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> whoops, i mistyped the original message. i have dvipost Martin> installed already, but apparently lyx is not aware. And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? JMarc
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
david wrote: Hello How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? If I chose "Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung)" in the document properties (format/document) I get an error message: The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. If I chose "Deutsch" the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. Thanks! David What happens if you put de_CH in Tools->Preferences->Language settings->Spellchecker->Alternative language? /Paul
Re: Centering Spacing
>>To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org >>From: "Paul A. Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Centering Spacing >>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:46:40 -0400 >> >>Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: [...] >> >>I think you're right about centering automatically adding a small amount >>of vertical space, but what Bruce encountered (and I can confirm) is a >>change in LyX behavior. In LyX 1.4.2, the LyX->LaTeX conversion inserts >>a \par inside each centering environment, which LyX 1.3.7 does not. My >>vote would be that 1.3.7's behavior was correct. 1.3.7 and 1.4.2 layouts are alike here, I don't know why this \par (blank line) has been added (but a LaTeX guru must know :-) Take a look at the letter template: you will see that flushed environments (which have the same "displayed paragraph" property as center, quote, tabbing,...) are structured with linebreaks. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Aspell and language de_CH
Thats what I was looking for. Thanks a lot! David Paul A. Rubin schrieb: > david wrote: >> Hello >> >> How can I get aspell to use the language German Switzerland (de_CH)? >> >> If I chose "Deutsch (neue Rechtschreibung)" in the document properties >> (format/document) I get an error message: >> The file /usr/lib/aspell/ngerman could not be opened for reading. >> >> If I chose "Deutsch" the language German Germany (de_DE) is used. >> >> Thanks! >> David >> > > What happens if you put de_CH in Tools->Preferences->Language > settings->Spellchecker->Alternative language? > > /Paul > > >
Diffing lyx files
Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to diff lyx files. I've found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but haven't been able to get either of them to work. What's the consensus these days on how best to do this? Thanks, --Steve Stephen Gross Case Western School of Medicine Cleveland, OH "By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged." - Dr. Lazarus
Re: Diffing lyx files
possibly try kdiff3 --- Stephen Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks... I'm trying to figure out the best way to > diff lyx files. I've > found two utilities (ldiff and latexdiff) but > haven't been able to get > either of them to work. What's the consensus these > days on how best to do > this? > > Thanks, > --Steve > > Stephen Gross > Case Western School of Medicine > Cleveland, OH > > "By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you > shall be avenged." - Dr. > Lazarus > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: change tracking in 1.4.2
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > And dvipost.sty is in the tex search path? I.e., what do you get with kpsewhich dvipost.sty Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. -- Clarence Darrow
Re: mwcls documentation help
Hello, It's not that I really have a preference as to the document class, but I am being constrained by the regulations of a Thesis layout from the University and I'm trying to use the document class that requires the least amount of modification. Currently I am using the memoir class but have still encountered a couple of formatting issues that I haven't been able to figure out even with the 300+ page documentation for it. I've also been experimenting with book (koma-script), report(koma-script), and a couple of others. However, it seems that each class has some formatting issue that I have to try and resolve and it is becoming extremely tedious to try and read the documentation for each class and try to modify them to my needs. For the most part, the formatting has come down to the toc. I need dotted leaders for all entries including chapters, toc, lof, lot, bib, appendix, and chapter* sections or chapter sections that are not numbered by using the \frontmatter command. Also the Appendix format in the toc needs to be Appendix A. title . . . . . . \thepage. This is where the mwcls has given me almost all of these formatting requirements except the page number needs to be in the right header on every page in the document and the toc needs to be included in the toc. Without documentation I haven't been able to figure out how to get the page number there. I just need to know how to change the chapter page style to get the page number displayed in the right header using the default myheadings pagestyle like you can in the memoir and koma-script classes. Also, the tocbibind package doesn't seem to be compatible with this document class to include the toc in the toc. I have had a lot of success with the memoir class. This is actually my preferred document class right now for my thesis. Using the \chaptersyle{article} has given me almost everything I need. All that is left is to have dotted leaders for chapters in the toc and to figure out how to change the Appendix style. I need the appendix style to be Appendix A 'title' . . . \thepage in the toc and Appendix A 'title' on the appendix page. I've been through most of the memoir documentation and there seems to be some way of changing the Appendix name by \appendixname but it hasn't worked for me. I am still pretty new to all of this so I may be missing some important step. Any help or additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob Lounsbury On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 12:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Bob" == Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Bob> Hi, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to write a > Bob> thesis and dread the thought of using Microsoft Word, this is > Bob> where an internet search found LyX. I've been experimenting with > Bob> it a have come to really appreciate the power of the program. I > Bob> found a document class called 'book (mwbk)' that is almost an > Bob> exact match for the formatting requirements of my University. I'm > Bob> trying to find documentation for this document class but I can > Bob> only find documentation in polish. Does anyone have English > Bob> documentation? > > What is it that you like in mwbook? It is indeed designed for Polish > texts. > > JMarc
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Chris Share wrote: > I have two questions: > > 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each > chapter. All files are "reports". I realise that in a report class an > abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number > to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. > 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're > separate, each one is labelled "Chapter 1". Although this doesn't > affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches > the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Re: Abstract Page Numbering and Separate Chapter Numbering
Richard Heck wrote: Chris Share wrote: I have two questions: 1. My document consists of a main file and separate files for each chapter. All files are "reports". I realise that in a report class an abstract appears without a page number. How can I force a page number to appear on the abstract page/s? Try ERT: \pagestyle{plain}. I tried what you suggested however the page number still doesn't appear. Any ideas? Cheers, Chris 2. Each chapter title is in Chapter format however because they're separate, each one is labelled "Chapter 1". Although this doesn't affect the final document, I'd like to change it so that it matches the actual chapter number. How can I do this? Maybe there's some secret formula for doing this, but I'm not sure it's possible, at least not without a lot more customizing of .layout files then you want to do. Richard
Package inputenc Error
LyX 1.4.1 I am probably making a mistake which I don't understand: In a document I input the following: part* section* tex\setcounter{footnote}{0} T X T with some footnotes and index inputs New page section* with the following title N°1 b, (p.6). Then when I try to display with PDF_(pdflatex), I got the following error window -- upper part: Package inputenc Error: keyboard character is undefined lower part: You need to provide a definition with \DeclareInputText or \DeclareInputMath before using this key - If I remove the section* after New page then there is no problem Any Clue! Thanks Paul