Re: why people give up on open source software

2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want professional software and think LyX is not professional (or if it does not fit your needs for other reasons), don't use it. Sine ira et studio.

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech support at small vendors. And they

Re: why people give up on open source software

You do seem to have very strong opinions about open-source, and demand very high standards. Would you care to tell us how many open-source projects have you created or at least been an active developer in? On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I do, but that's no

Re: why people give up on open source software

Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want professional software and think LyX is not

Re: why people give up on open source software

24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then don't ask for help in identifying those bugs.

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious,

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 4:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech

misleading doc link in moderncv example

On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: ... Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation of the LaTeX-package

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good luck with it. A somewhat close analog to

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of mass exodus. Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting. I think

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks. -- Rich On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote: On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: ... Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv class offers lots of customization possibilities;

Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For software these days, you are supposed to join a forum. If I went back through all my forum posts

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 25/10/2013 3:32 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I cannot speak for other free (as in freedom) software, but the deal is simple: programmers do what they can and scratch their own itches, either because they need a feature or they want to implement it, and users do what they want and

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 9:03 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com mailto:snowsh...@q.com wrote: Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not

Re: why people give up on open source software

I'm not a programmer, learned many years ago that is not for me. But I did contribute, for free, to writing the help files of a commercial program for a platform now long gone. But, as I wrote in news://news.gmane.org:119/l4bi37$vh$1...@ger.gmane.org, if I help by reporting bugs I find in a

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 11:35 AM, Walter van Holst wrote: On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 12:55 PM, Richard Talley wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com mailto:snowsh...@q.com wrote: I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of mass exodus. Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 8:32 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: 24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then

Mavericks troubles

LyX folk, I upgraded my MacBook Pro to Mavericks a couple days ago and have encountered no problems whatever except that LyX 2.1 beta 1 is now regularly crashing on a large file I’m working on, and in a rather catastrophic way, as it truncates the 390k file I’m working on down to around 150k.

Re: Mavericks troubles

Hi Chris, You might be running into a nasty threading-related bug. A big one was just fixed (but after 2.1 beta 1): http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8854 Hopefully the thread-safety related improvements regarding that bug will address the bug you're fighting with as well. beta 2 should be out

Re: Mavericks troubles

Thanks for the quick response, Scott. I await beta 2 with beta’d breath! :-D One question: I’m not sure what you mean by “exporting from the command line”. Do you mean exporting the .lyx file to a .tex file? Sorry if that’s dense. -chris On October 24, 2013 at 7:58:39 PM, Scott Kostyshak

Re: Mavericks troubles

I just reread and saw the crashing part of your email. I thought the problem was only when you were exporting. In that case, exporting from the command line will not help. But just for reference, you can export your .lyx file to a pdf with lyx -e pdf2 yourlyxfile.lyx Scott On Thu, Oct 24,

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it

Re: Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 1:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For software these days, you are supposed to join a forum. If

Why People Give Up on Groups.

Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

gordon_cooper writes: Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

Yes, please don't leave. You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging session' - just delete them unread. ;o) I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more discussion than I've seen elsewhere. Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show.

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the 1% hurt my delicate

Re: why people give up on open source software

2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want professional software and think LyX is not professional (or if it does not fit your needs for other reasons), don't use it. Sine ira et studio.

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech support at small vendors. And they

Re: why people give up on open source software

You do seem to have very strong opinions about open-source, and demand very high standards. Would you care to tell us how many open-source projects have you created or at least been an active developer in? On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I do, but that's no

Re: why people give up on open source software

Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want professional software and think LyX is not

Re: why people give up on open source software

24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then don't ask for help in identifying those bugs.

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious,

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 4:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech

misleading doc link in moderncv example

On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: ... Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation of the LaTeX-package

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good luck with it. A somewhat close analog to

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of mass exodus. Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting. I think

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks. -- Rich On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote: On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: ... Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv class offers lots of customization possibilities;

Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For software these days, you are supposed to join a forum. If I went back through all my forum posts

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 25/10/2013 3:32 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I cannot speak for other free (as in freedom) software, but the deal is simple: programmers do what they can and scratch their own itches, either because they need a feature or they want to implement it, and users do what they want and

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 9:03 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com mailto:snowsh...@q.com wrote: Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not

Re: why people give up on open source software

I'm not a programmer, learned many years ago that is not for me. But I did contribute, for free, to writing the help files of a commercial program for a platform now long gone. But, as I wrote in news://news.gmane.org:119/l4bi37$vh$1...@ger.gmane.org, if I help by reporting bugs I find in a

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 11:35 AM, Walter van Holst wrote: On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 12:55 PM, Richard Talley wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com mailto:snowsh...@q.com wrote: I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of mass exodus. Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 8:32 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: 24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then

Mavericks troubles

LyX folk, I upgraded my MacBook Pro to Mavericks a couple days ago and have encountered no problems whatever except that LyX 2.1 beta 1 is now regularly crashing on a large file I’m working on, and in a rather catastrophic way, as it truncates the 390k file I’m working on down to around 150k.

Re: Mavericks troubles

Hi Chris, You might be running into a nasty threading-related bug. A big one was just fixed (but after 2.1 beta 1): http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8854 Hopefully the thread-safety related improvements regarding that bug will address the bug you're fighting with as well. beta 2 should be out

Re: Mavericks troubles

Thanks for the quick response, Scott. I await beta 2 with beta’d breath! :-D One question: I’m not sure what you mean by “exporting from the command line”. Do you mean exporting the .lyx file to a .tex file? Sorry if that’s dense. -chris On October 24, 2013 at 7:58:39 PM, Scott Kostyshak

Re: Mavericks troubles

I just reread and saw the crashing part of your email. I thought the problem was only when you were exporting. In that case, exporting from the command line will not help. But just for reference, you can export your .lyx file to a pdf with lyx -e pdf2 yourlyxfile.lyx Scott On Thu, Oct 24,

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it

Re: Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 1:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For software these days, you are supposed to join a forum. If

Why People Give Up on Groups.

Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

gordon_cooper writes: Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

Yes, please don't leave. You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging session' - just delete them unread. ;o) I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more discussion than I've seen elsewhere. Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show.

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the 1% hurt my delicate

Re: why people give up on open source software

2013/10/24 Ken Springe > > Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. >> > > Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want "professional" software and think LyX is not professional (or if it does not fit your needs for other reasons), don't use it. Sine ira et

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer wrote: > On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: > > Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more > > helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech > > support at small vendors. And

Re: why people give up on open source software

You do seem to have very strong opinions about open-source, and demand very high standards. Would you care to tell us how many open-source projects have you created or at least been an active developer in? On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > I do, but that's

Re: why people give up on open source software

Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. Not sure how you feel, so no reply. He's serious, and so am I: if you want "professional" software and think LyX is not

Re: why people give up on open source software

24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then don't ask for help in identifying those bugs.

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > Hi, Jürgen, > > Interspersed reply... > > > On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > >> 2013/10/24 Ken Springe >> >> Not professional ? Right, don't use it then. >> >> >> Not sure how you feel, so no

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 4:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:31:48 -0600 Ken Springer wrote: On 10/23/13 2:31 PM, Richard Talley wrote: Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech

misleading doc link in moderncv example

On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: ... > Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv > class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the > preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation > of the LaTeX-package

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: > I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project > management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for > everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good > luck with it. A somewhat close analog

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > > I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of > "mass exodus". Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that > open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting. I

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks. -- Rich On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote: > > ... > > > Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv > > class offers lots of customization

Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer wrote: > Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, > offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For > software these days, you are supposed to join a forum. If I went > back through all my forum

Re: why people give up on open source software

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Walter van Holst wrote: > On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: >> I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project >> management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for >> everything until

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 25/10/2013 3:32 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I cannot speak for other free (as in freedom) software, but the deal is simple: programmers do what they can and scratch their own itches, either because they need a feature or they want to implement it, and users do what they want and

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 9:03 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ken Springer > wrote: Hi, Jürgen, Interspersed reply... On 10/24/13 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2013/10/24 Ken Springe

Re: why people give up on open source software

I'm not a programmer, learned many years ago that is not for me. But I did contribute, for free, to writing the help files of a commercial program for a platform now long gone. But, as I wrote in news://news.gmane.org:119/l4bi37$vh$1...@ger.gmane.org, if I help by reporting bugs I find in a

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 11:35 AM, Walter van Holst wrote: On 24/10/2013 07:32, Richard Talley wrote: I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 12:55 PM, Richard Talley wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer > wrote: I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of "mass exodus". Just my pulling back from the potential promise

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 8:32 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: 24/10/2013 15:59, Ken Springer: There is also the segment of the open source area where they actively ask you to file bugs that can be fixed. Then the bugs just sit there, never getting fixed. If you aren't going to actively fix the bugs, then

Mavericks troubles

LyX folk, I upgraded my MacBook Pro to Mavericks a couple days ago and have encountered no problems whatever except that LyX 2.1 beta 1 is now regularly crashing on a large file I’m working on, and in a rather catastrophic way, as it truncates the 390k file I’m working on down to around 150k.

Re: Mavericks troubles

Hi Chris, You might be running into a nasty threading-related bug. A big one was just fixed (but after 2.1 beta 1): http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8854 Hopefully the thread-safety related improvements regarding that bug will address the bug you're fighting with as well. beta 2 should be out

Re: Mavericks troubles

Thanks for the quick response, Scott. I await beta 2 with beta’d breath! :-D One question: I’m not sure what you mean by “exporting from the command line”. Do you mean exporting the .lyx file to a .tex file? Sorry if that’s dense. -chris On October 24, 2013 at 7:58:39 PM, Scott Kostyshak

Re: Mavericks troubles

I just reread and saw the crashing part of your email. I thought the problem was only when you were exporting. In that case, exporting from the command line will not help. But just for reference, you can export your .lyx file to a pdf with lyx -e pdf2 yourlyxfile.lyx Scott On Thu, Oct 24,

Re: why people give up on open source software

On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere

Re: Getting Support: was: why people give up on open source software

On 10/24/13 1:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:32:55 -0600 Ken Springer wrote: Product support, customer service, in general, sucks. Online, offline, commercial, open source, just about everywhere. For software these days, you are supposed to join a forum.

Why People Give Up on Groups.

Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

gordon_cooper writes: > Hello to all, > I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded > this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend > into a slanging session. > > I quit, > Gordon > New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon.

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

Yes, please don't leave. You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging session' - just delete them unread. ;o) I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more discussion than I've seen elsewhere. Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show.

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the <1% hurt my delicate