Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

Actually, it is created not right away, but after a while. I left the
Windows computer on with the file open, sure that the #...# file was
deleted. After lunch and some gardening, I came back and guess what? The
#...# is there, waiting for me, created at 14:29. I manually deleted it,
modified the file, saved it, the error appears, but no #...# file is
created!!! Voodoo things! :P

Regards,
Julio Rojas
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 3:26 PM Paul A. Rubin  wrote:

> On 9/20/20 1:43 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> > On 9/20/20 12:46 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> BTW, on my Mac I have Lyx v. 2.3.1-1. My coauthor has 2.3.0!!!
> >> Curious, isn´t it? A regression?
> >
> > Again, it's just a guess, but I think this might have been a 'stale'
> > lockfile. It got left behind at some point so Dropbox is confused.
> > That's why the file seems like a 'normal' file somehow and you're
> > being asked if you want to delete it.
> >
> > Riki
> >
> >
> I agree with Riki. Also, I suspect this is a LyX on Windows (or LyX on
> Dropbox on Windows) thing. I use Linux Mint on my devices, and I can
> have the same file open (in a Dropbox folder) on two devices, make
> changes on both devices, and never get a lock file. On the other hand, I
> do some work with a coauthor who uses LyX on Windows. In one of our
> shared Dropbox folders, I see a #TbPapers.lyx# file with a 2018
> modification date. It's a file she created and maintained -- I don't
> think I ever touched it -- so my guess is LyX created it during some
> edit and never removed it. As best I can recall, I've only seen the
> #...# stuff with LyX files.
>
> As lock files go, they're a bit odd. Normally a lock file has zero bytes
> (or maybe one or two). Its job is just to exist, signaling the real file
> is in use. In the case of #TbPapers.lyx#, it's almost as large as the
> actual TbPapers.lyx file. There's also a TbPapers.lyx~ file, and all
> have the same file date. So the ~ file is the normal backup LyX creates
> when a save is done.
>
> I don't work with anyone using LyX on a Mac, so I have no idea if it
> participates in this madness. :-)
>
> Paul
>
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 9/20/20 1:43 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 9/20/20 12:46 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, on my Mac I have Lyx v. 2.3.1-1. My coauthor has 2.3.0!!! 
Curious, isn´t it? A regression?


Again, it's just a guess, but I think this might have been a 'stale' 
lockfile. It got left behind at some point so Dropbox is confused. 
That's why the file seems like a 'normal' file somehow and you're 
being asked if you want to delete it.


Riki


I agree with Riki. Also, I suspect this is a LyX on Windows (or LyX on 
Dropbox on Windows) thing. I use Linux Mint on my devices, and I can 
have the same file open (in a Dropbox folder) on two devices, make 
changes on both devices, and never get a lock file. On the other hand, I 
do some work with a coauthor who uses LyX on Windows. In one of our 
shared Dropbox folders, I see a #TbPapers.lyx# file with a 2018 
modification date. It's a file she created and maintained -- I don't 
think I ever touched it -- so my guess is LyX created it during some 
edit and never removed it. As best I can recall, I've only seen the 
#...# stuff with LyX files.


As lock files go, they're a bit odd. Normally a lock file has zero bytes 
(or maybe one or two). Its job is just to exist, signaling the real file 
is in use. In the case of #TbPapers.lyx#, it's almost as large as the 
actual TbPapers.lyx file. There's also a TbPapers.lyx~ file, and all 
have the same file date. So the ~ file is the normal backup LyX creates 
when a save is done.


I don't work with anyone using LyX on a Mac, so I have no idea if it 
participates in this madness. :-)


Paul

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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 9/20/20 12:46 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> BTW, on my Mac I have Lyx v. 2.3.1-1. My coauthor has 2.3.0!!!
> Curious, isn´t it? A regression?

Again, it's just a guess, but I think this might have been a 'stale'
lockfile. It got left behind at some point so Dropbox is confused.
That's why the file seems like a 'normal' file somehow and you're being
asked if you want to delete it.

Riki


>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 1:43 PM  > wrote:
>
> Thanks, Paul. On my Mac the error does not appear. I would check
> back on my Windows computer to see if I find this file hidden in
> the folder, as I cannot see it on my Mac (I can see it for another
> file that is currently opened by my coauthor in a Mac).
>
> Regards,
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com 
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul A. Rubin  > wrote:
>
> On 9/20/20 12:27 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>>
>> The file #DCHT_2020_v5.lyx# looks like some kind of lockfile
>> or tracking file that Dropbox writes (maybe hidden), though
>> that's only a guess. Hence, moving the file would remove that
>> thing. It's possible that saving it didn't work because
>> Dropbox thinks it's open on another machine.
>>
>> Riki
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/20 12:03 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>>> I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux,
>>> Windows and MacOS), and have only seen this problem in
>>> Windows and in this file. I created a folder within the
>>> folder of the original file, created a copy, modified it,
>>> resave it and the error again appears. I am going to switch
>>> to my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.
>>>
>>> Julio Rojas
>>> jcredbe...@gmail.com 
>>>
>>>
> I can confirm that the #...# file is a lock placed by Dropbox
> to avoid collisions. That said, I've never gotten a message
> from Dropbox telling me it was deleting the lock file.
>
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[John White]

Staff and I save to dropbox many, many times a day. I have never seen such an 
error.  We are a linux shop.  Perhaps that is why.

John

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:35:28 AM PDT jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> What I have tried is using another file in Dropbox, writing and rewriting
> it. The error does not appear.
> 
> I have just made what you suggested (saving the file outside of Dropbox)
> and the following message appears:
> [image: image.png]
> That is a first! I do not even know what it means or why did it appear. The
> original file is in the Dropbox folder, a new copy is in my Desktop, so no,
> the file is shared (and not opened by someone else as I have updated the
> version number and my coauthor is seated besides me). Saved, modified,
> resaved, no problem with the copy. Closed the copy, opened the original,
> modified, saved, the write failure error appears.
> 
> Maybe this is a black swan, maybe not. Thanks, nevertheless.
> 
> Regards,
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
> 
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:15 AM Kornel Benko  wrote:
> > Am Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:54:55 -0300
> > 
> > schrieb jcredbe...@gmail.com:
> > > Richard,
> > > 
> > > It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Julio Rojas
> > > jcredbe...@gmail.com
> > 
> > Just to be sure ... you have tried without dropbox ?
> > 
> > Kornel
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

BTW, on my Mac I have Lyx v. 2.3.1-1. My coauthor has 2.3.0!!! Curious,
isn´t it? A regression?
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 1:43 PM  wrote:

> Thanks, Paul. On my Mac the error does not appear. I would check back on
> my Windows computer to see if I find this file hidden in the folder, as I
> cannot see it on my Mac (I can see it for another file that is currently
> opened by my coauthor in a Mac).
>
> Regards,
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul A. Rubin  wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/20 12:27 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>>
>>
>> The file #DCHT_2020_v5.lyx# looks like some kind of lockfile or tracking
>> file that Dropbox writes (maybe hidden), though that's only a guess. Hence,
>> moving the file would remove that thing. It's possible that saving it
>> didn't work because Dropbox thinks it's open on another machine.
>>
>> Riki
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/20 12:03 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux, Windows and
>> MacOS), and have only seen this problem in Windows and in this file. I
>> created a folder within the folder of the original file, created a copy,
>> modified it, resave it and the error again appears. I am going to switch to
>> my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.
>>
>> Julio Rojas
>> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> I can confirm that the #...# file is a lock placed by Dropbox to avoid
>> collisions. That said, I've never gotten a message from Dropbox telling me
>> it was deleting the lock file.
>>
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

Thanks, Paul. On my Mac the error does not appear. I would check back on my
Windows computer to see if I find this file hidden in the folder, as I
cannot see it on my Mac (I can see it for another file that is currently
opened by my coauthor in a Mac).

Regards,
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul A. Rubin  wrote:

> On 9/20/20 12:27 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>
>
> The file #DCHT_2020_v5.lyx# looks like some kind of lockfile or tracking
> file that Dropbox writes (maybe hidden), though that's only a guess. Hence,
> moving the file would remove that thing. It's possible that saving it
> didn't work because Dropbox thinks it's open on another machine.
>
> Riki
>
>
> On 9/20/20 12:03 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux, Windows and
> MacOS), and have only seen this problem in Windows and in this file. I
> created a folder within the folder of the original file, created a copy,
> modified it, resave it and the error again appears. I am going to switch to
> my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.
>
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
> I can confirm that the #...# file is a lock placed by Dropbox to avoid
> collisions. That said, I've never gotten a message from Dropbox telling me
> it was deleting the lock file.
>
> Paul
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 9/20/20 12:27 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:


The file #DCHT_2020_v5.lyx# looks like some kind of lockfile or 
tracking file that Dropbox writes (maybe hidden), though that's only a 
guess. Hence, moving the file would remove that thing. It's possible 
that saving it didn't work because Dropbox thinks it's open on another 
machine.


Riki


On 9/20/20 12:03 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux, Windows and 
MacOS), and have only seen this problem in Windows and in this file. 
I created a folder within the folder of the original file, created a 
copy, modified it, resave it and the error again appears. I am going 
to switch to my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.


Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com 


I can confirm that the #...# file is a lock placed by Dropbox to avoid 
collisions. That said, I've never gotten a message from Dropbox telling 
me it was deleting the lock file.


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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

The file #DCHT_2020_v5.lyx# looks like some kind of lockfile or tracking
file that Dropbox writes (maybe hidden), though that's only a guess.
Hence, moving the file would remove that thing. It's possible that
saving it didn't work because Dropbox thinks it's open on another machine.

Riki


On 9/20/20 12:03 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux, Windows and
> MacOS), and have only seen this problem in Windows and in this file. I
> created a folder within the folder of the original file, created a
> copy, modified it, resave it and the error again appears. I am going
> to switch to my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.
>
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com 
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 12:50 PM John White  > wrote:
>
> Staff and I save to dropbox many, many times a day. I have never
> seen such an
> error.  We are a linux shop.  Perhaps that is why.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:35:28 AM PDT jcredbe...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> > What I have tried is using another file in Dropbox, writing and
> rewriting
> > it. The error does not appear.
> >
> > I have just made what you suggested (saving the file outside of
> Dropbox)
> > and the following message appears:
> > [image: image.png]
> > That is a first! I do not even know what it means or why did it
> appear. The
> > original file is in the Dropbox folder, a new copy is in my
> Desktop, so no,
> > the file is shared (and not opened by someone else as I have
> updated the
> > version number and my coauthor is seated besides me). Saved,
> modified,
> > resaved, no problem with the copy. Closed the copy, opened the
> original,
> > modified, saved, the write failure error appears.
> >
> > Maybe this is a black swan, maybe not. Thanks, nevertheless.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julio Rojas
> > jcredbe...@gmail.com 
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:15 AM Kornel Benko  > wrote:
> > > Am Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:54:55 -0300
> > >
> > > schrieb jcredbe...@gmail.com :
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Julio Rojas
> > > > jcredbe...@gmail.com 
> > >
> > > Just to be sure ... you have tried without dropbox ?
> > >
> > >         Kornel
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

I have three computers, each with a different OS (Linux, Windows and
MacOS), and have only seen this problem in Windows and in this file. I
created a folder within the folder of the original file, created a copy,
modified it, resave it and the error again appears. I am going to switch to
my MacOS computer to see if the error appears.

Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 12:50 PM John White  wrote:

> Staff and I save to dropbox many, many times a day. I have never seen such
> an
> error.  We are a linux shop.  Perhaps that is why.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:35:28 AM PDT jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > What I have tried is using another file in Dropbox, writing and rewriting
> > it. The error does not appear.
> >
> > I have just made what you suggested (saving the file outside of Dropbox)
> > and the following message appears:
> > [image: image.png]
> > That is a first! I do not even know what it means or why did it appear.
> The
> > original file is in the Dropbox folder, a new copy is in my Desktop, so
> no,
> > the file is shared (and not opened by someone else as I have updated the
> > version number and my coauthor is seated besides me). Saved, modified,
> > resaved, no problem with the copy. Closed the copy, opened the original,
> > modified, saved, the write failure error appears.
> >
> > Maybe this is a black swan, maybe not. Thanks, nevertheless.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julio Rojas
> > jcredbe...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:15 AM Kornel Benko  wrote:
> > > Am Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:54:55 -0300
> > >
> > > schrieb jcredbe...@gmail.com:
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Julio Rojas
> > > > jcredbe...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > Just to be sure ... you have tried without dropbox ?
> > >
> > > Kornel
> > >
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

What I have tried is using another file in Dropbox, writing and rewriting
it. The error does not appear.

I have just made what you suggested (saving the file outside of Dropbox)
and the following message appears:
[image: image.png]
That is a first! I do not even know what it means or why did it appear. The
original file is in the Dropbox folder, a new copy is in my Desktop, so no,
the file is shared (and not opened by someone else as I have updated the
version number and my coauthor is seated besides me). Saved, modified,
resaved, no problem with the copy. Closed the copy, opened the original,
modified, saved, the write failure error appears.

Maybe this is a black swan, maybe not. Thanks, nevertheless.

Regards,
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:15 AM Kornel Benko  wrote:

> Am Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:54:55 -0300
> schrieb jcredbe...@gmail.com:
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julio Rojas
> > jcredbe...@gmail.com
> >
>
> Just to be sure ... you have tried without dropbox ?
>
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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[Kornel Benko]

Am Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:54:55 -0300
schrieb jcredbe...@gmail.com:

> Richard,
> 
> It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.
> 
> Regards,
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
> 

Just to be sure ... you have tried without dropbox ?

Kornel


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Re: Problem saving a file [DROPBOX]

[jcredberry]

Richard,

It is 2.3.5.2. I guess it is not related to Dropbox, then.

Regards,
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 12:02 AM Richard Kimberly Heck 
wrote:

> On 9/19/20 6:19 PM, jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am working with a file for which this message has appeared several times:
> [image: image.png]
> As you can see, it is stored in a Dropbox folder. Nevertheless, I have
> renamed it to make sure the file is not opened elsewhere. The write failure
> message appears again, and after clicking the OK button, another message
> asks me if I want to rename the file or retry writing it. If I retry, the
> file is correctly saved, and I keep working on it. The computer has been
> restarted to check if there was a problem associated with a service, to no
> avail.
>
> Has anybody had this problem as well? If so, what is its source, and is
> there a solution?
>
> We've seen problems like this in the past, but I thought they had been
> solved. What version are you using?
>
> Riki
>
>
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