Re: LyX 2.4 Alpha 2

[Liviu Andronic]

On 2/12/21, Wolfgang Engelmann  wrote:
> Would this work also for Debian?
>

Not sure, but it's not intended to work for Debian. You can always
experiment with this, but run-time dependencies may be different, etc.

Liviu



> Wolfgang
>
>> The installation of the 'lyx2.4pre' pre-release packages is
>> independent of the stable 'lyx' installation, so you can have the
>> pre-release and stable packages installed side-by-side. They shouldn't
>> interfere with each other.
>>
>> Please report if you have any issues with the packages.
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>> For some information about the new features, see:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX24
>>>
>>> Please note that, as alpha software, there may be some nasty bugs
>>> lurking. LyX 2.4 alpha 2 is released for testing only. That said, we
>>> really would appreciate testing, especially on Windows, where we have
>>> few active developers.
>>>
>>> Riki
>>>
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Re: find next?

[Joel Kulesza]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 8:24 AM David Pesetsky  wrote:

> Pleased indeed, thank you!!!
>
> On Feb 12, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
>
> Am Freitag, dem 12.02.2021 um 14:53 + schrieb David Pesetsky:
>
> If you click on the document window, the "find next" key (⌘-G ) will
> do its job and get you to the next occurrence of the search string.
>  Without that, however, if focus remains in the Find window, nothing
> happens at all. That is what is non-intuitive.  In most other apps,
> You can search for what you want with ⌘-F, and then simply pressing
> ⌘-G gets you the next occurrence, with no other steps necessary.
>
>
> You might be pleased to hear that your message inspired me to go ahead
> and fix that for 2.4.0 this morning.
>
> Jürgen
>
> Seconding David's remarks.  I'm pleased indeed and just tested with master
at 400cb1b.  I look forward to a rebinding of F3 -> Cmd-G, but until then,
this is still a welcome step forward.

Thank you,
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Re: LyX 2.4 Alpha 2

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 12.02.21 um 19:51 schrieb Liviu Andronic:

On 2/8/21, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:

The LyX team is pleased to announce the release of the second alpha for
LyX 2.4. You can dowload it here:

http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/



For Ubuntu testers alpha2 packages are available on the 'Development' PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/ubuntu/daily



Would this work also for Debian?
Wolfgang


The installation of the 'lyx2.4pre' pre-release packages is
independent of the stable 'lyx' installation, so you can have the
pre-release and stable packages installed side-by-side. They shouldn't
interfere with each other.

Please report if you have any issues with the packages.

Liviu



For some information about the new features, see:

https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX24

Please note that, as alpha software, there may be some nasty bugs
lurking. LyX 2.4 alpha 2 is released for testing only. That said, we
really would appreciate testing, especially on Windows, where we have
few active developers.

Riki


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Re: LyX 2.4 Alpha 2

[Liviu Andronic]

On 2/8/21, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> The LyX team is pleased to announce the release of the second alpha for
> LyX 2.4. You can dowload it here:
>
> http://ftp.lyx.org/ftp/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/
>

For Ubuntu testers alpha2 packages are available on the 'Development' PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/ubuntu/daily

The installation of the 'lyx2.4pre' pre-release packages is
independent of the stable 'lyx' installation, so you can have the
pre-release and stable packages installed side-by-side. They shouldn't
interfere with each other.

Please report if you have any issues with the packages.

Liviu


> For some information about the new features, see:
>
> https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX24
>
> Please note that, as alpha software, there may be some nasty bugs
> lurking. LyX 2.4 alpha 2 is released for testing only. That said, we
> really would appreciate testing, especially on Windows, where we have
> few active developers.
>
> Riki
>
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Re: find next?

[David Pesetsky]

Pleased indeed, thank you!!!

On Feb 12, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller 
mailto:sp...@lyx.org>> wrote:

Am Freitag, dem 12.02.2021 um 14:53 + schrieb David Pesetsky:
If you click on the document window, the "find next" key (⌘-G ) will
do its job and get you to the next occurrence of the search string.
 Without that, however, if focus remains in the Find window, nothing
happens at all. That is what is non-intuitive.  In most other apps,
You can search for what you want with ⌘-F, and then simply pressing
⌘-G gets you the next occurrence, with no other steps necessary.

You might be pleased to hear that your message inspired me to go ahead
and fix that for 2.4.0 this morning.

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Re: find next?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, dem 12.02.2021 um 14:53 + schrieb David Pesetsky:
> If you click on the document window, the "find next" key (⌘-G ) will
> do its job and get you to the next occurrence of the search string.
>  Without that, however, if focus remains in the Find window, nothing
> happens at all. That is what is non-intuitive.  In most other apps,
> You can search for what you want with ⌘-F, and then simply pressing
> ⌘-G gets you the next occurrence, with no other steps necessary.

You might be pleased to hear that your message inspired me to go ahead
and fix that for 2.4.0 this morning.

Jürgen



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Re: find next?

[David Pesetsky]

I really appreciate all the replies.  Jürgen's message is exactly what I 
discovered with more tinkering.

If you click on the document window, the "find next" key (⌘-G ) will do its job 
and get you to the next occurrence of the search string.  Without that, 
however, if focus remains in the Find window, nothing happens at all. That is 
what is non-intuitive.  In most other apps, You can search for what you want 
with ⌘-F, and then simply pressing ⌘-G gets you the next occurrence, with no 
other steps necessary.

-David


https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11170

Here, F3 does work, but only if I gave the workarea focus, which is not
so apparent if you use the dialog. The working procedure is:

1. Ctrl-F
2. Enter search string
3. Hit Enter to fin first occurrence
4. Click into workarea OR close dialog
5. Hit F3 to find next occurrences

I suspect 4. is the crucial missing step.

I'll check if we can do something to avoid this unintuive extra step.

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Re: find next?

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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:28 PM, David Pesetsky  wrote:
> 
> My Macintosh-educated fingers are used to ⌘-G for "find next" (used after 
> using ⌘-F for "find").  Does Lyx have a "find next" function so I can 
> duplicate this? 
> 
> I may be missing something in plain view, in which case, my apologies for 
> wasting everyone's time — but I'm not finding it.
> 
> -David

This has been a problem for many years. There is a long-standing ticket by me 
to bring search into Mac-compliance. For Mac fingers the LyX situation is 
extremely awkward. Here’s the Mac process:

**First Way**
open find dialog with Command-F
type or paste search string
close file dialog or bring focus to main window
hit Command-G to search forward or Shift-Command-G to search backward.

**Second Way**
open find dialog with Command-F
type or paste search string
Hit Next or Previous button
[LyX does not have Next and Previous but rather forces you to do additional 
clicking in the dialog to change direction.]

**Third Way**
[This is the “modern” way in many apps which does not raise a separate dialog 
box but rather opens a very small non-overlapping pane in the document window.]
open find dialog with Command-F
type or paste search string
hit Command-G to search forward or Shift-Command-G to search backward.

**Fourth Way**
[This does not require you to even open a dialog box if the search string can 
be highlighted in the main window.]
select search string in main window
hit Command-E. This enters the selected text into the search buffer.
hit Command-G to search forward or Shift-Command-G to search backward.

Fourth Way is probably the most common. Notice that you don’t even open a 
search window.


There are other problems in LyX searching.

1. The Find dialog box does not remember its location between uses. I’m sure 
this is a regression going back a number of years.

2. The “found” result can be _hidden_behind_ the Find dialog. Lots of luck 
finding it.

3. LyX is unaware of the system clipboard. In normal Mac apps, you can hit 
Command-E in one app, then switch to another app and the search string is ready 
to be used for finding in the second app without further user effort. This 
includes immediate use of Command-G and Shift-Command-G.

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Re: Need a little help with version control

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> On Feb 10, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> 
> Am 10.02.2021 um 11:34 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 09.02.2021 um 13:01 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
 
 I’m trying to learn version control (SVN) with LyX on macOS. I have a 
 little past experience with SVn in another context and I’m in Chapter 2 of 
 the book at svnbook.red-bean.com as a refresher. I am the only person who 
 will access the repository which is on my own computer.
 
 I have set up new repository and imported three files, a LyX document and 
 two graphics files. (I am using a nice GUI app on the Mac). I can check 
 out the LyX document, edit it, and commit. But what I can’t figure out is 
 what is the LyX File -> Version Control -> Register item for? I think it 
 wants to add the current LyX file, which is assumed to be not under 
 version control, to the repository. But _what_ repository? I made a second 
 LyX file named Registering.lyx and typed “Registering a document” into the 
 dialog box. Then I get this message:
 
 Some problem occurred while running the command:
 'ci -q -u -i -t-"Registering a document" "Registering.lyx"'.
 
 I think I am somehow am missing “Step 0” in setting things up.
 
 Thanks as always for any hints.
>>> 
>>> The problem with the "Register Item“ menu item is its missing cleverness. 
>>> It assumes the RCS version control system. That’s why it is unusable with 
>>> all other systems like SVN and GIT.
>>> 
>>> You have to register (add) it to your repository manually or with the help 
>>> of your GUI. Later you’re able to work with the LyX version control 
>>> features.
>>> 
>>> Stephan
>> 
>> Thanks, but still not working.
>> 
>> I create a new repository on my computer, then import or add a LyX document. 
>> The new doc appears as expected in the repository. I checkout the file into 
>> a working copy and edit with LyX, then commit the changes, make comparisons, 
>> etc. with my SVN client. In other words, I believe that I can manage things 
>> with my SVN client as expected. 
>> 
>> However, I cannot get the built-in LyX functionality to work. When the 
>> working copy of the LyX file is open, none of the expected File -> Version 
>> Control -> menu items appear, only Register…. Also, most of the icons in the 
>> Version Control Toolbar become active—only Register and Insert Version Info 
>> do anything, the latter inserting “No version control.”
>> 
>> The working copy that I checked out is apparently known as related to SVN 
>> because it has the .svn directory. Also (this is an update from my original 
>> post) when attempting the Regiser… action, I get a message
>> 
>> Some problem occurred while running the command:
>> 'svn add -q "Learning SVN in LyX.lyx”'.
>> 
>> So LyX recognizes somehow the presence of SVN but is trying to perform an 
>> add operation on a file that is already in the repository.
>> 
>> Clearly I am missing a basic step.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> Ok, it would be better if I verify my statements sometimes.
> 
> I’ve checked it myself now and it works for me. See the log below:
> 
> 13:59:54.564: Öffne Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx...
> 13:59:54.679: svn info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
> 13:59:54.693: svn: warning: W155010: The node 
> '/Users/stephan/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx' was not found.
> 13:59:54.693: 
> 13:59:54.694: svn: E29: Could not display info for all targets because 
> some targets don't exist
> 13:59:54.705: Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx ist geöffnet.
> 13:59:54.706: (file-open: ⌃O)support/Systemcall.cpp (276): Systemcall: 'svn 
> info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"' finished with exit code 1
> 14:00:07.860: svn proplist "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
> 14:00:07.877: svn: warning: W25: 
> '/Users/stephan/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx' is not under version 
> control
> 14:00:07.877: svn: E29: Could not display properties of all targets 
> because some targets are not versioned
> 14:00:07.878: svn: E29: Illegal target for the requested operation
> support/Systemcall.cpp (276): Systemcall: 'svn proplist 
> "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"' finished with exit code 1
> 14:00:16.886: svn add -q "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
> 14:00:16.984: svn info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
> 14:00:17.007: svn proplist "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
> 14:00:17.024: Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx neu geladen.
> 
> Conclusion:
> 
> 1. The working environment is LyX-2.3.6.2 and svn binary in path (verify it 
> in terminal).
> 2. You may check and possibly update your LyX app.
> 3. You may activate the status message pane and redo the register VC command.
> 
> Stephan

1. and 2. I upgraded LyX from 2.3.2 to 2.3.6.2 Legacy. (Thanks for Legacy, 
devs!) svn binary is in path. Same behavior.
3. Message pane reports " svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 
'.'; please get a newer Subversion client”

I’ll 

Re: Need a little help with version control

[Stephan Witt]

Am 12.02.2021 um 10:52 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 10.02.2021 um 11:34 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
>>> 
 
 On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
 
 Am 09.02.2021 um 13:01 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
> 
> I’m trying to learn version control (SVN) with LyX on macOS. I have a 
> little past experience with SVn in another context and I’m in Chapter 2 
> of the book at svnbook.red-bean.com as a refresher. I am the only person 
> who will access the repository which is on my own computer.
> 
> I have set up new repository and imported three files, a LyX document and 
> two graphics files. (I am using a nice GUI app on the Mac). I can check 
> out the LyX document, edit it, and commit. But what I can’t figure out is 
> what is the LyX File -> Version Control -> Register item for? I think it 
> wants to add the current LyX file, which is assumed to be not under 
> version control, to the repository. But _what_ repository? I made a 
> second LyX file named Registering.lyx and typed “Registering a document” 
> into the dialog box. Then I get this message:
> 
> Some problem occurred while running the command:
> 'ci -q -u -i -t-"Registering a document" "Registering.lyx"'.
> 
> I think I am somehow am missing “Step 0” in setting things up.
> 
> Thanks as always for any hints.
 
 The problem with the "Register Item“ menu item is its missing cleverness. 
 It assumes the RCS version control system. That’s why it is unusable with 
 all other systems like SVN and GIT.
 
 You have to register (add) it to your repository manually or with the help 
 of your GUI. Later you’re able to work with the LyX version control 
 features.
 
 Stephan
>>> 
>>> Thanks, but still not working.
>>> 
>>> I create a new repository on my computer, then import or add a LyX 
>>> document. The new doc appears as expected in the repository. I checkout the 
>>> file into a working copy and edit with LyX, then commit the changes, make 
>>> comparisons, etc. with my SVN client. In other words, I believe that I can 
>>> manage things with my SVN client as expected. 
>>> 
>>> However, I cannot get the built-in LyX functionality to work. When the 
>>> working copy of the LyX file is open, none of the expected File -> Version 
>>> Control -> menu items appear, only Register…. Also, most of the icons in 
>>> the Version Control Toolbar become active—only Register and Insert Version 
>>> Info do anything, the latter inserting “No version control.”
>>> 
>>> The working copy that I checked out is apparently known as related to SVN 
>>> because it has the .svn directory. Also (this is an update from my original 
>>> post) when attempting the Regiser… action, I get a message
>>> 
>>> Some problem occurred while running the command:
>>> 'svn add -q "Learning SVN in LyX.lyx”'.
>>> 
>>> So LyX recognizes somehow the presence of SVN but is trying to perform an 
>>> add operation on a file that is already in the repository.
>>> 
>>> Clearly I am missing a basic step.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>> 
>> Ok, it would be better if I verify my statements sometimes.
>> 
>> I’ve checked it myself now and it works for me. See the log below:
>> 
>> 13:59:54.564: Öffne Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx...
>> 13:59:54.679: svn info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
>> 13:59:54.693: svn: warning: W155010: The node 
>> '/Users/stephan/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx' was not found.
>> 13:59:54.693: 
>> 13:59:54.694: svn: E29: Could not display info for all targets because 
>> some targets don't exist
>> 13:59:54.705: Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx ist geöffnet.
>> 13:59:54.706: (file-open: ⌃O)support/Systemcall.cpp (276): Systemcall: 'svn 
>> info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"' finished with exit code 1
>> 14:00:07.860: svn proplist "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
>> 14:00:07.877: svn: warning: W25: 
>> '/Users/stephan/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx' is not under version 
>> control
>> 14:00:07.877: svn: E29: Could not display properties of all targets 
>> because some targets are not versioned
>> 14:00:07.878: svn: E29: Illegal target for the requested operation
>> support/Systemcall.cpp (276): Systemcall: 'svn proplist 
>> "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"' finished with exit code 1
>> 14:00:16.886: svn add -q "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
>> 14:00:16.984: svn info "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
>> 14:00:17.007: svn proplist "Shortcuts-test2.lyx"
>> 14:00:17.024: Dokument ~/tmp/playground/Shortcuts-test2.lyx neu geladen.
>> 
>> Conclusion:
>> 
>> 1. The working environment is LyX-2.3.6.2 and svn binary in path (verify it 
>> in terminal).
>> 2. You may check and possibly update your LyX app.
>> 3. You may activate the status message pane and redo the register VC command.
>> 
>> Stephan
> 
> 1. and 2. I upgraded LyX from 2.3.2 to 2.3.6.2 Legacy. (Thanks for Legacy, 
> devs!) 

Re: Need a little help with version control

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TFM isn’t helpful. It does not tell how to get started. Plus, TFM assumes more 
knowledge of version control systems than most LyX users have. I don’t want to 
install rcs as long as svn is supposed to work.

Jerry


> On Feb 10, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> 
> The 'ci not found' means it wants the RCS system to which ci belongs and
> this is not installed, which can be rectified easily by homebrew.
> 
> For the rest, RTFM (Help --> Additional Features)
> 
> el
> 
> 
> On 09/02/2021 14:01, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> I’m trying to learn version control (SVN) with LyX on macOS. I have a
>> little past experience with SVn in another context and I’m in Chapter
>> 2 of the book at svnbook.red-bean.com as a refresher.  I am the only
>> person who will access the repository which is on my own computer.
>> 
>> I have set up new repository and imported three files, a LyX document
>> and two graphics files.  (I am using a nice GUI app on the Mac).  I
>> can check out the LyX document, edit it, and commit.  But what I can’t
>> figure out is what is the LyX File -> Version Control -> Register item
>> for?  I think it wants to add the current LyX file, which is assumed
>> to be not under version control, to the repository.  But _what_
>> repository?  I made a second LyX file named Registering.lyx and typed
>> “Registering a document” into the dialog box.  Then I get this
>> message:
>> 
>> Some problem occurred while running the command:
>> 'ci -q -u -i -t-"Registering a document" "Registering.lyx"'.
>> 
>> I think I am somehow am missing “Step 0” in setting things up.
>> 
>> Thanks as always for any hints.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
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Re: Need a little help with version control

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Jerry,

unless you collaborate SVN is overkill :-)-O

I have a large project under RCS and make control. Works very well.

el

On 12/02/2021 10:06, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
> TFM isn’t helpful.  It does not tell how to get started.  Plus, TFM
> assumes more knowledge of version control systems than most LyX users
> have.  I don’t want to install rcs as long as svn is supposed to work.
> 
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Re: find next?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, dem 12.02.2021 um 08:35 +0200 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse:
> I can also confirm that CMD-G is bound to word-find-forward in
> 2.3.6.2  and (that non working of if) has been irritating me on
> all of my Macs for at least 5 but maybe even 10 years.
> 
> Does one of the (Core-) Developers have a Mac?

https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11170

Here, F3 does work, but only if I gave the workarea focus, which is not
so apparent if you use the dialog. The working procedure is:

1. Ctrl-F
2. Enter search string
3. Hit Enter to fin first occurrence
4. Click into workarea OR close dialog
5. Hit F3 to find next occurrences

I suspect 4. is the crucial missing step.

I'll check if we can do something to avoid this unintuive extra step.

Jürgen



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