Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

David Rörich david.roerich at inue.uni-stuttgart.de writes:

 
 
 Am 13.08.2015 um 08:32 schrieb jezZiFeR:
  Dear Michael,
  
  Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to
not indent the first paragraphs
 after a headline in the whole document?
  
 
 This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
 be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
 the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
 for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?
 
Hi,
my LyX setup is English and all my documents use English as language as
well. I observe that regardless the document class the default setting is
always 'indent paragraph'. This will leave the first para unindented whereas
the following paras will be indented (until the next environment change,
gloss, example etc. or so).
I rather think that not the document class but the language English rules
the indentation behavior. But this is said without having checked myself.

Michael  

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

Dear Michael,

Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to not 
indent the first paragraphs after a headline in the whole document?

Best
Jess



 Am 12.08.2015 um 23:07 schrieb Michael Berger id...@online.de:
 
 jezZiFeR jezzifer at gmail.com writes:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 how could I achieve, that the first line of a paragraph is indeed
 completely to the left, when there is an
 empty line before it or rather when there is no other paragraph directly
 before it. I add an example, so that
 it might be easier to understand:
 
 I want the first line (»Text«) to begin on the left, and the first line of
 the first paragraph
 (»Arbeitsbereiche«) also. But the following paragraphs should still be
 indented.
 
 Best
 Jess
 Right-click in the respective paragraph, select paragraph settings and
 remove the tick in 'indent paragraph'
 Michael

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David Rörich]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:10 schrieb jezZiFeR:

 I use KOMA-Script-report.


Ok, this is weird. KOMAScript would usually not indent the first
paragraph in a new section or chapter unless you change the class
options in the preamble. Did you?
Do you use Sections for creating headers?
Could you send us a minimal Lyx file which illustrates your problem?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:31 schrieb jezZiFeR:
 As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There is 
 a XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no 
 changes in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for 
 creating headers is, I think I do not.
 
 Here is a minimal file:
 

I highly advise you to organize your document using Sections,
Subsections and so on.

Lyx/Latex cannot know that you mean Texttexttext to be a heading. It
is just a paragraph followed by a linebreak (whose usage is not
recommended). As Texttexttext is the first paragraph in your document,
it is *not* indented. All following paragraphs are indented. Actually,
this is the behaviour you want.

To make Texttexttext a heading, put your cursor to this line, then
choose Section or similar from the pull-down menu in the upper left
corner (see screenshot attached).

I have also attached an example Lyx file using an unnumbered Subsection.




Indentation_suggestion.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

Thank you – I now understood, what you meant by »using sections for creating 
headers«, which indeed I do. I only did not do this in this short minimal 
example, which was way too short to see that in my large file the following 
examples with the headers use the behavior I want.

In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:

It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the 
paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted. This is 
fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.

Best
Jess





 Am 13.08.2015 um 10:54 schrieb David david.roer...@inue.uni-stuttgart.de:
 
 Am 13.08.2015 um 10:31 schrieb jezZiFeR:
 As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There 
 is a XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no 
 changes in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for 
 creating headers is, I think I do not.
 
 Here is a minimal file:
 
 
 I highly advise you to organize your document using Sections,
 Subsections and so on.
 
 Lyx/Latex cannot know that you mean Texttexttext to be a heading. It
 is just a paragraph followed by a linebreak (whose usage is not
 recommended). As Texttexttext is the first paragraph in your document,
 it is *not* indented. All following paragraphs are indented. Actually,
 this is the behaviour you want.
 
 To make Texttexttext a heading, put your cursor to this line, then
 choose Section or similar from the pull-down menu in the upper left
 corner (see screenshot attached).
 
 I have also attached an example Lyx file using an unnumbered Subsection.
 
 
 lyx5.jpgIndentation_suggestion.lyx

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There is a 
XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no changes 
in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for creating headers 
is, I think I do not.

Here is a minimal file:


Minimal Indentation.lyx
Description: Binary data


Thank you!




 Am 13.08.2015 um 10:17 schrieb David Rörich 
 david.roer...@inue.uni-stuttgart.de:
 
 Am 13.08.2015 um 10:10 schrieb jezZiFeR:
 
 I use KOMA-Script-report.
 
 
 Ok, this is weird. KOMAScript would usually not indent the first
 paragraph in a new section or chapter unless you change the class
 options in the preamble. Did you?
 Do you use Sections for creating headers?
 Could you send us a minimal Lyx file which illustrates your problem?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David Rörich]

Am 13.08.2015 um 08:32 schrieb jezZiFeR:
 Dear Michael,
 
 Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to not 
 indent the first paragraphs after a headline in the whole document?
 


This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:58 schrieb Michael Berger:
 David Rörich david.roerich at inue.uni-stuttgart.de writes:
 

 This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
 be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
 the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
 for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?

 Hi,
 my LyX setup is English and all my documents use English as language as
 well. I observe that regardless the document class the default setting is
 always 'indent paragraph'. This will leave the first para unindented whereas
 the following paras will be indented (until the next environment change,
 gloss, example etc. or so).
 I rather think that not the document class but the language English rules
 the indentation behavior. But this is said without having checked myself.
 

Hi,

I cannot confirm this. Documents using German as their language setting
behave exactly the same way. At least for KOMAScript. But without having
checked I'm pretty sure that there are class options for KOMAScript that
change this behaviour in almost every way you can imagine ;)

Cheers,
David

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

 
 In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:
 It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the
 paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted.
 This is fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.
 

Ok. The only way I see to automate this is to use the Paragraph
environement, for example, and to reconfigure it the way you want it to
look like using class options.

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

David david.roerich at inue.uni-stuttgart.de writes:

 
 
  
  In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:
  It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the
  paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted.
  This is fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.
  
 
 Ok. The only way I see to automate this is to use the Paragraph
 environement, for example, and to reconfigure it the way you want it to
 look like using class options.
 
if really found to be necessary, a list of KOMAscript class options can be
found e.g. here:
https://www.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/fileadmin/kurse/material/latex/scrguide.pdf 

Michael

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Johannes Böttcher]

On 08/13/2015 01:32 PM, Michael Berger wrote:

if really found to be necessary, a list of KOMAscript class options can be
found e.g. here:
https://www.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/fileadmin/kurse/material/latex/scrguide.pdf



This is the manual for a version in december 2013, not the current one.

The documentation that matches the installed package can be found using 
the command line:


$ texdoc koma


The CTAN-current docu can of course be found on CTAN.

For the very current release, take a look at
http://komascript.de/current

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

Dear Michael,

Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to not 
indent the first paragraphs after a headline in the whole document?

Best
Jess



> Am 12.08.2015 um 23:07 schrieb Michael Berger :
> 
> jezZiFeR  gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> how could I achieve, that the first line of a paragraph is indeed
> completely to the left, when there is an
>> empty line before it or rather when there is no other paragraph directly
> before it. I add an example, so that
>> it might be easier to understand:
>> 
>> I want the first line (»Text«) to begin on the left, and the first line of
> the first paragraph
>> (»Arbeitsbereiche«) also. But the following paragraphs should still be
> indented.
>> 
>> Best
>> Jess
> Right-click in the respective paragraph, select paragraph settings and
> remove the tick in 'indent paragraph'
> Michael

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David Rörich]

Am 13.08.2015 um 08:32 schrieb jezZiFeR:
> Dear Michael,
> 
> Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to not 
> indent the first paragraphs after a headline in the whole document?
> 


This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David Rörich]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:10 schrieb jezZiFeR:
>
> I use KOMA-Script-report.
>

Ok, this is weird. KOMAScript would usually not indent the first
paragraph in a new section or chapter unless you change the class
options in the preamble. Did you?
Do you use Sections for creating headers?
Could you send us a minimal Lyx file which illustrates your problem?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There is a 
XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no changes 
in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for creating headers 
is, I think I do not.

Here is a minimal file:


Minimal Indentation.lyx
Description: Binary data


Thank you!




> Am 13.08.2015 um 10:17 schrieb David Rörich 
> :
> 
> Am 13.08.2015 um 10:10 schrieb jezZiFeR:
>> 
>> I use KOMA-Script-report.
>> 
> 
> Ok, this is weird. KOMAScript would usually not indent the first
> paragraph in a new section or chapter unless you change the class
> options in the preamble. Did you?
> Do you use Sections for creating headers?
> Could you send us a minimal Lyx file which illustrates your problem?

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:31 schrieb jezZiFeR:
> As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There is 
> a XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no 
> changes in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for 
> creating headers is, I think I do not.
> 
> Here is a minimal file:
> 

I highly advise you to organize your document using Sections,
Subsections and so on.

Lyx/Latex cannot know that you mean "Texttexttext" to be a heading. It
is just a paragraph followed by a linebreak (whose usage is not
recommended). As "Texttexttext" is the first paragraph in your document,
it is *not* indented. All following paragraphs are indented. Actually,
this is the behaviour you want.

To make "Texttexttext" a heading, put your cursor to this line, then
choose Section or similar from the pull-down menu in the upper left
corner (see screenshot attached).

I have also attached an example Lyx file using an unnumbered Subsection.




Indentation_suggestion.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

David Rörich  inue.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

> 
> 
> Am 13.08.2015 um 08:32 schrieb jezZiFeR:
> > Dear Michael,
> > 
> > Thank you, this works well. Is there also an automatic possibility to
not indent the first paragraphs
> after a headline in the whole document?
> > 
> 
> This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
> be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
> the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
> for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?
> 
>Hi,
my LyX setup is English and all my documents use English as "language" as
well. I observe that regardless the document class the default setting is
always 'indent paragraph'. This will leave the first para unindented whereas
the following paras will be indented (until the next environment change,
gloss, example etc. or so).
I rather think that not the document class but the "language" English rules
the indentation behavior. But this is said without having checked myself.

Michael  

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[jezZiFeR]

Thank you – I now understood, what you meant by »using sections for creating 
headers«, which indeed I do. I only did not do this in this short minimal 
example, which was way too short to see that in my large file the following 
examples with the headers use the behavior I want.

In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:

It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the 
paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted. This is 
fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.

Best
Jess





> Am 13.08.2015 um 10:54 schrieb David :
> 
> Am 13.08.2015 um 10:31 schrieb jezZiFeR:
>> As far as I know I did not change the class options in the preamble. There 
>> is a XeTeX-command in the preamble, which might be unnecessary, but I see no 
>> changes in the class options. As I do not know what using Sections for 
>> creating headers is, I think I do not.
>> 
>> Here is a minimal file:
>> 
> 
> I highly advise you to organize your document using Sections,
> Subsections and so on.
> 
> Lyx/Latex cannot know that you mean "Texttexttext" to be a heading. It
> is just a paragraph followed by a linebreak (whose usage is not
> recommended). As "Texttexttext" is the first paragraph in your document,
> it is *not* indented. All following paragraphs are indented. Actually,
> this is the behaviour you want.
> 
> To make "Texttexttext" a heading, put your cursor to this line, then
> choose Section or similar from the pull-down menu in the upper left
> corner (see screenshot attached).
> 
> I have also attached an example Lyx file using an unnumbered Subsection.
> 
> 
> 

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

> 
> In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:
> It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the
> paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted.
> This is fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.
> 

Ok. The only way I see to automate this is to use the Paragraph
environement, for example, and to reconfigure it the way you want it to
look like using class options.

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[David]

Am 13.08.2015 um 10:58 schrieb Michael Berger:
> David Rörich  inue.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:
> 
>>
>> This is probably a property of the document class you use (and it should
>> be configurable via class options). Most classes I know do _not_ indent
>> the first paragraph in a section or chapter, even if indentation is used
>> for paragraph separation. What document class do you use?
>>
>> Hi,
> my LyX setup is English and all my documents use English as "language" as
> well. I observe that regardless the document class the default setting is
> always 'indent paragraph'. This will leave the first para unindented whereas
> the following paras will be indented (until the next environment change,
> gloss, example etc. or so).
> I rather think that not the document class but the "language" English rules
> the indentation behavior. But this is said without having checked myself.
> 

Hi,

I cannot confirm this. Documents using German as their language setting
behave exactly the same way. At least for KOMAScript. But without having
checked I'm pretty sure that there are class options for KOMAScript that
change this behaviour in almost every way you can imagine ;)

Cheers,
David

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

David  inue.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

> 
> 
> > 
> > In fact my first line »Texttexttext«-line *is* indented:
> > It is just in the case of an empty line before a new paragraph where the
> > paragraph settings have to be changed, if an indentation is not wanted.
> > This is fine, because it just happens a few times in the document.
> > 
> 
> Ok. The only way I see to automate this is to use the Paragraph
> environement, for example, and to reconfigure it the way you want it to
> look like using class options.
> 
>if really found to be necessary, a list of KOMAscript class options can be
found e.g. here:
https://www.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/fileadmin/kurse/material/latex/scrguide.pdf 

Michael

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Johannes Böttcher]

On 08/13/2015 01:32 PM, Michael Berger wrote:

if really found to be necessary, a list of KOMAscript class options can be
found e.g. here:
https://www.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/fileadmin/kurse/material/latex/scrguide.pdf



This is the manual for a version in december 2013, not the current one.

The documentation that matches the installed package can be found using 
the command line:


$ texdoc koma


The CTAN-current docu can of course be found on CTAN.

For the very current release, take a look at
http://komascript.de/current

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

jezZiFeR jezzifer at gmail.com writes:

 
 Hello,
 
 how could I achieve, that the first line of a paragraph is indeed
completely to the left, when there is an
 empty line before it or rather when there is no other paragraph directly
before it. I add an example, so that
 it might be easier to understand:
 
 I want the first line (»Text«) to begin on the left, and the first line of
the first paragraph
 (»Arbeitsbereiche«) also. But the following paragraphs should still be
indented.
 
 Best
 Jess
Right-click in the respective paragraph, select paragraph settings and
remove the tick in 'indent paragraph'
Michael

Re: No indentation of first paragraphs

[Michael Berger]

jezZiFeR  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> how could I achieve, that the first line of a paragraph is indeed
completely to the left, when there is an
> empty line before it or rather when there is no other paragraph directly
before it. I add an example, so that
> it might be easier to understand:
> 
> I want the first line (»Text«) to begin on the left, and the first line of
the first paragraph
> (»Arbeitsbereiche«) also. But the following paragraphs should still be
indented.
> 
> Best
> Jess
Right-click in the respective paragraph, select paragraph settings and
remove the tick in 'indent paragraph'
Michael