Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Todd Flaming wrote:
BTW, if you're not caught up in formalities and want a cheat, I've figured
out a way to do the *** for section breaks. Just hit ENTER and insert ERT
(click on the TeX) button and put the
following command in it:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{* * *}
Then make sure that paragraph is flush left and adjust the paragraph
spacing as needed. E.g., add a bigskip before --
Layout-Paragraph-Vertical Space-bigskip
That won't create a logical section break, but you don't really need one
for a novel becuase the section divided by a *** is not indexed and not
reflected in the headers. Diehards may tell me I'm wrong, but remember
I'm just an author armed with a little knowledge.
There may be other reasons for using a real section break though.
It seems to me that latex consider section breaks when breaking the
pages. A page break may happen inside some long paragraph or
between two paragraphs, it will _not_ happen between
a section header and the first paragraph in the section.
A simulated section header using bigger letters will suffer from this
though.
So consider wether it is okay to get the * * * at the top
or bottom of a page.
Helge Hafting
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Todd Flaming wrote:
BTW, if you're not caught up in formalities and want a cheat, I've figured
out a way to do the *** for section breaks. Just hit ENTER and insert ERT
(click on the TeX) button and put the
following command in it:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{* * *}
Then make sure that paragraph is flush left and adjust the paragraph
spacing as needed. E.g., add a bigskip before --
Layout-Paragraph-Vertical Space-bigskip
That won't create a logical section break, but you don't really need one
for a novel becuase the section divided by a *** is not indexed and not
reflected in the headers. Diehards may tell me I'm wrong, but remember
I'm just an author armed with a little knowledge.
There may be other reasons for using a real section break though.
It seems to me that latex consider section breaks when breaking the
pages. A page break may happen inside some long paragraph or
between two paragraphs, it will _not_ happen between
a section header and the first paragraph in the section.
A simulated section header using bigger letters will suffer from this
though.
So consider wether it is okay to get the * * * at the top
or bottom of a page.
Helge Hafting
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Todd Flaming wrote:
BTW, if you're not caught up in formalities and want a cheat, I've figured
out a way to do the *** for section breaks. Just hit ENTER and insert ERT
(click on the TeX) button and put the
following command in it:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{* * *}
Then make sure that paragraph is flush left and adjust the paragraph
spacing as needed. E.g., add a bigskip before --
Layout->Paragraph->Vertical Space->bigskip
That won't create a logical section break, but you don't really need one
for a novel becuase the section divided by a *** is not indexed and not
reflected in the headers. Diehards may tell me I'm wrong, but remember
I'm just an author armed with a little knowledge.
There may be other reasons for using a real section break though.
It seems to me that latex consider section breaks when breaking the
pages. A page break may happen inside some long paragraph or
between two paragraphs, it will _not_ happen between
a section header and the first paragraph in the section.
A simulated section header using bigger letters will suffer from this
though.
So consider wether it is okay to get the " * * * " at the top
or bottom of a page.
Helge Hafting
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks like, and in ascii for their publishing process. Trade publishers always reset whatever an author submits, so the formatting is lost in any case. What about converting the ascii output to MS Word format via Word macros that convert plain-text tags into appropriate Word styles? I ask because I'm writing a how-to book (on poker) for a small pub house. I've started in MS Word but am thinking of changing to LyX to see what it's like. However my publisher will be giving the manuscript to an editor, and it's quite possible that editor will be using MS Word.
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX? (now off topic)
On 22 Mar 2003, Ronald Florence wrote:
Todd Flaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The trade publishers frequently
do a very nice job of editing and typesetting a book. But if you can hire
a good editor and do the typesetting youself, you probably will do just as
well self-publishing. Big publishing houses expect you to promote your own
book, except in rare circumstances. They'll do some work, but not enough.
I don't know what experience you've had with trade publishing houses,
but the comments above are misleading or downright wrong. Trade
publishers have resources, access to distribution channels, and PR
capabilities that dwarf self-publishing. For works that are not
appropriate to trade, technical, or university presses -- which alas,
is an increasingly large segment of books today -- self-publishing may
be effective alternative to not getting published. But despite the
do-it-yourself guides that tell you can match the resources and
distribution of a Random House, Knopf, or St. Martins -- it just ain't
so!
Your comments on using LyX for self-published manuscripts seem very
apt.
I didn't mean to offend or suggest that the large publishing houses are a
bad place to be. My works would have much more limited distribution than
yours apparently have. And I should have stated I have no direct
experience with large publishers, only what I've heard second-hand from other
authors. So take my comment with a glass of salt.
But now I'm curious -- you say the publishing houses have a lot of
resources for promoting and distributing a book. Do they use them? What
kind of numbers of copies (broad ranges) can you expect for non-fiction
material otherwise appropriate for a university press? I don't mean to get
off topic. If you are inclined to discuss, please e-mail me directly.
Back on topic - I realized a limitation of my solution to the *** section
break. I looked at a model book (yes, put out by a major publisher) and
noticed that section breaks with blank pages (or *** between them) are
followed by paragraphs that have a first line flush left. But with my
solution, the next paragraph is just an ordinary one, so it has an indent.
Here's a fix: create a new section* (not the numbered one) and use the
ERT for the text of that section. Only use this one instead, to make the
font smaller:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{\small* * *}
That should work. Then you'll have a logical section break, divided as you
want it to be.
Todd Flaming
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks like, and in ascii for their publishing process. Trade publishers always reset whatever an author submits, so the formatting is lost in any case. What about converting the ascii output to MS Word format via Word macros that convert plain-text tags into appropriate Word styles? I ask because I'm writing a how-to book (on poker) for a small pub house. I've started in MS Word but am thinking of changing to LyX to see what it's like. However my publisher will be giving the manuscript to an editor, and it's quite possible that editor will be using MS Word.
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX? (now off topic)
On 22 Mar 2003, Ronald Florence wrote:
Todd Flaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The trade publishers frequently
do a very nice job of editing and typesetting a book. But if you can hire
a good editor and do the typesetting youself, you probably will do just as
well self-publishing. Big publishing houses expect you to promote your own
book, except in rare circumstances. They'll do some work, but not enough.
I don't know what experience you've had with trade publishing houses,
but the comments above are misleading or downright wrong. Trade
publishers have resources, access to distribution channels, and PR
capabilities that dwarf self-publishing. For works that are not
appropriate to trade, technical, or university presses -- which alas,
is an increasingly large segment of books today -- self-publishing may
be effective alternative to not getting published. But despite the
do-it-yourself guides that tell you can match the resources and
distribution of a Random House, Knopf, or St. Martins -- it just ain't
so!
Your comments on using LyX for self-published manuscripts seem very
apt.
I didn't mean to offend or suggest that the large publishing houses are a
bad place to be. My works would have much more limited distribution than
yours apparently have. And I should have stated I have no direct
experience with large publishers, only what I've heard second-hand from other
authors. So take my comment with a glass of salt.
But now I'm curious -- you say the publishing houses have a lot of
resources for promoting and distributing a book. Do they use them? What
kind of numbers of copies (broad ranges) can you expect for non-fiction
material otherwise appropriate for a university press? I don't mean to get
off topic. If you are inclined to discuss, please e-mail me directly.
Back on topic - I realized a limitation of my solution to the *** section
break. I looked at a model book (yes, put out by a major publisher) and
noticed that section breaks with blank pages (or *** between them) are
followed by paragraphs that have a first line flush left. But with my
solution, the next paragraph is just an ordinary one, so it has an indent.
Here's a fix: create a new section* (not the numbered one) and use the
ERT for the text of that section. Only use this one instead, to make the
font smaller:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{\small* * *}
That should work. Then you'll have a logical section break, divided as you
want it to be.
Todd Flaming
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
> Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in > hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks > like, and in ascii for their publishing > process. Trade publishers always reset whatever > an author submits, so the formatting is lost in > any case. What about converting the ascii output to MS Word format via Word macros that convert plain-text tags into appropriate Word styles? I ask because I'm writing a how-to book (on poker) for a small pub house. I've started in MS Word but am thinking of changing to LyX to see what it's like. However my publisher will be giving the manuscript to an editor, and it's quite possible that editor will be using MS Word.
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX? (now off topic)
On 22 Mar 2003, Ronald Florence wrote:
> Todd Flaming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The trade publishers frequently
> > do a very nice job of editing and typesetting a book. But if you can hire
> > a good editor and do the typesetting youself, you probably will do just as
> > well self-publishing. Big publishing houses expect you to promote your own
> > book, except in rare circumstances. They'll do some work, but not enough.
>
> I don't know what experience you've had with trade publishing houses,
> but the comments above are misleading or downright wrong. Trade
> publishers have resources, access to distribution channels, and PR
> capabilities that dwarf self-publishing. For works that are not
> appropriate to trade, technical, or university presses -- which alas,
> is an increasingly large segment of books today -- self-publishing may
> be effective alternative to not getting published. But despite the
> do-it-yourself guides that tell you can match the resources and
> distribution of a Random House, Knopf, or St. Martins -- it just ain't
> so!
>
> Your comments on using LyX for self-published manuscripts seem very
> apt.
I didn't mean to offend or suggest that the large publishing houses are a
bad place to be. My works would have much more limited distribution than
yours apparently have. And I should have stated I have no direct
experience with large publishers, only what I've heard second-hand from other
authors. So take my comment with a glass of salt.
But now I'm curious -- you say the publishing houses have a lot of
resources for promoting and distributing a book. Do they use them? What
kind of numbers of copies (broad ranges) can you expect for non-fiction
material otherwise appropriate for a university press? I don't mean to get
off topic. If you are inclined to discuss, please e-mail me directly.
Back on topic - I realized a limitation of my solution to the *** section
break. I looked at a model book (yes, put out by a major publisher) and
noticed that section breaks with blank pages (or *** between them) are
followed by paragraphs that have a first line flush left. But with my
solution, the next paragraph is just an ordinary one, so it has an indent.
Here's a fix: create a new section* (not the numbered one) and use the
ERT for the text of that section. Only use this one instead, to make the
font smaller:
\makebox[\textwidth][c]{\small* * *}
That should work. Then you'll have a logical section break, divided as you
want it to be.
Todd Flaming
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Ronald said: I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, c. textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX? Let me second the suggestion of Peter Wilson's Memoir class. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 09:12 AM, William Adams wrote: We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, c. textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX?-- The trade publishing houses that publish my books (Random House, HarperCollins, St. Martins, etc.) commission custom designs for the layout of each title, and are simply not interested in camera-ready copy. I've argued until I'm blue in the face, and met the same answer. One of my books was about the building of the Palomar telescope (The Perfect Machine) and I argued with HarperCollins that LaTeX was the preferred format for astronomy and that I would create camera-ready copy in any format their designer choose. The answer? Please submit your manuscript in ms-word, wordperfect, or ascii text! I've met the same resistance from publishers like Kluwer when I've written sections for their Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers. LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! -- Ronald Florencewww.18james.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:33 am, Ronald Florence wrote: [...] LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages of using Lyx/latex? praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+eIWYaKr9sJYeTxgRAoyUAJ9u1st4tc+VgfXYaM/GlC5P8A5mXACgmDv8 DlYQTXjp5Dm/b154l427MoY= =fmVr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages of using Lyx/latex? Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks like, and in ascii for their publishing process. Trade publishers always reset whatever an author submits, so the formatting is lost in any case. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Ronald said: I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, c. textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX? Let me second the suggestion of Peter Wilson's Memoir class. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 09:12 AM, William Adams wrote: We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, c. textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX?-- The trade publishing houses that publish my books (Random House, HarperCollins, St. Martins, etc.) commission custom designs for the layout of each title, and are simply not interested in camera-ready copy. I've argued until I'm blue in the face, and met the same answer. One of my books was about the building of the Palomar telescope (The Perfect Machine) and I argued with HarperCollins that LaTeX was the preferred format for astronomy and that I would create camera-ready copy in any format their designer choose. The answer? Please submit your manuscript in ms-word, wordperfect, or ascii text! I've met the same resistance from publishers like Kluwer when I've written sections for their Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers. LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! -- Ronald Florencewww.18james.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:33 am, Ronald Florence wrote: [...] LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages of using Lyx/latex? praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+eIWYaKr9sJYeTxgRAoyUAJ9u1st4tc+VgfXYaM/GlC5P8A5mXACgmDv8 DlYQTXjp5Dm/b154l427MoY= =fmVr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages of using Lyx/latex? Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks like, and in ascii for their publishing process. Trade publishers always reset whatever an author submits, so the formatting is lost in any case. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Ronald said: I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX? Let me second the suggestion of Peter Wilson's Memoir class. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 09:12 AM, William Adams wrote: We're glad to get manuscript from LyX ;) (but we're a composition house specializing in math, physics, textbooks) You should be able to submit a .pdf for direct printing though, unless the publisher has specific style recommendations you're unable to accomplish in LaTeX?-- The trade publishing houses that publish my books (Random House, HarperCollins, St. Martins, etc.) commission custom designs for the layout of each title, and are simply not interested in camera-ready copy. I've argued until I'm blue in the face, and met the same answer. One of my books was about the building of the Palomar telescope (The Perfect Machine) and I argued with HarperCollins that LaTeX was the preferred format for astronomy and that I would create camera-ready copy in any format their designer choose. The answer? Please submit your manuscript in ms-word, wordperfect, or ascii text! I've met the same resistance from publishers like Kluwer when I've written sections for their Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers. LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for technical publications and technical publishers that accept camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another book with LyX! -- Ronald Florencewww.18james.com
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:33 am, Ronald Florence wrote: [...] > LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for > technical publications and technical publishers that accept > camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade > publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors > typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap > for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another > book with LyX! How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages of using Lyx/latex? praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+eIWYaKr9sJYeTxgRAoyUAJ9u1st4tc+VgfXYaM/GlC5P8A5mXACgmDv8 DlYQTXjp5Dm/b154l427MoY= =fmVr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Praedor Atrebates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > LyX is a wonderful tool, and TeX does wonderful typesetting for > > technical publications and technical publishers that accept > > camera-ready copy, or perhaps for self-published material. Until trade > > publishers catch on to the economy and quality of having authors > > typeset the material into camera-ready copy, LyX is actually a handicap > > for authors writing trade books. That said, I'm working on yet another > > book with LyX! > > How then do you get around the problems you list? Do you end up submitting > ascii to them afterall, thus giving up the formatting/typesetting advantages > of using Lyx/latex? Alas, I end up submitting manuscripts either in hardcopy or in PDF so they can see what it looks like, and in ascii for their publishing process. Trade publishers always reset whatever an author submits, so the formatting is lost in any case. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
Writing a Novel with LyX?
So, the FAQ says happy stuff about people writing novels with LyX. Can anyone recommend a LaTeX class for novels? None of the stuff that came with my copy (included with RedHat 8.0) seems very appropriate. Since I am a (La)TeX neophyte it would be nice if there was a corresponding LyX layout file. I'd rather work on my story than work on the LyX underpinnings ;-) The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I've looked in http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/ which, as far as I can tell, is the correct place. Thanks in advance for any and all advice. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) Peter, There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you select the Layout menu item, do you see a Document tab? The top-most widget on that tab should be Class with the default of article. Click on the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can select. I've used the book class without any problems. HTH, Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.appl-ecosys.com/
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Rich Shepard said: On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) Peter, There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you select the Layout menu item, do you see a Document tab? The top-most widget on that tab should be Class with the default of article. Click on the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can select. I've used the book class without any problems. Thanks for the lightning fast reply . . . . . . but ;-) Please re-read my post. I have used the book class quite a bit myself. It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a novel in my estimation. I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better off using a word processor. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 07:44 pm, Peter Hutnick wrote: Please re-read my post. I have used the book class quite a bit myself. It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a novel in my estimation. I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better off using a word processor. Would the Memoir package (check CTAN) be more what you had in mind? :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive!
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I think Book (Koma Script) would be fine for you... at least it has what you descripe above. (You'll have to do something manually to get the '***' - I don't really know what you mean by that anyway...) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Peter Hutnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. I can't stand PC word-processors, so I stick with LyX. But the beautiful typesetting ability of the LaTeX engine is lost, as I end submitting hard-copy. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
Writing a Novel with LyX?
So, the FAQ says happy stuff about people writing novels with LyX. Can anyone recommend a LaTeX class for novels? None of the stuff that came with my copy (included with RedHat 8.0) seems very appropriate. Since I am a (La)TeX neophyte it would be nice if there was a corresponding LyX layout file. I'd rather work on my story than work on the LyX underpinnings ;-) The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I've looked in http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/ which, as far as I can tell, is the correct place. Thanks in advance for any and all advice. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) Peter, There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you select the Layout menu item, do you see a Document tab? The top-most widget on that tab should be Class with the default of article. Click on the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can select. I've used the book class without any problems. HTH, Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.appl-ecosys.com/
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Rich Shepard said: On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) Peter, There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you select the Layout menu item, do you see a Document tab? The top-most widget on that tab should be Class with the default of article. Click on the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can select. I've used the book class without any problems. Thanks for the lightning fast reply . . . . . . but ;-) Please re-read my post. I have used the book class quite a bit myself. It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a novel in my estimation. I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better off using a word processor. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 07:44 pm, Peter Hutnick wrote: Please re-read my post. I have used the book class quite a bit myself. It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a novel in my estimation. I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better off using a word processor. Would the Memoir package (check CTAN) be more what you had in mind? :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive!
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I think Book (Koma Script) would be fine for you... at least it has what you descripe above. (You'll have to do something manually to get the '***' - I don't really know what you mean by that anyway...) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Peter Hutnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by ***.) I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. I can't stand PC word-processors, so I stick with LyX. But the beautiful typesetting ability of the LaTeX engine is lost, as I end submitting hard-copy. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
Writing a Novel with LyX?
So, the FAQ says happy stuff about people writing novels with LyX. Can anyone recommend a LaTeX class for novels? None of the stuff that came with my copy (included with RedHat 8.0) seems very appropriate. Since I am a (La)TeX neophyte it would be nice if there was a corresponding LyX layout file. I'd rather work on my story than work on the LyX underpinnings ;-) The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: Book Part Chapter Section (where a section would normally be separated by "***".) I've looked in http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/ which, as far as I can tell, is the "correct" place. Thanks in advance for any and all advice. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: > The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. > flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: > > Book >Part > Chapter > Section (where a section would normally be separated by "***".) Peter, There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you select the "Layout" menu item, do you see a "Document" tab? The top-most widget on that tab should be "Class" with the default of "article". Click on the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can select. I've used the book class without any problems. HTH, Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.appl-ecosys.com/
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
Rich Shepard said: > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: > >> The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style >> (i.e. flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: >> >> Book >>Part >> Chapter >> Section (where a section would normally be separated by >> "***".) > > Peter, > > There should be a book class already there for you to use. When you > select > the "Layout" menu item, do you see a "Document" tab? The top-most widget > on that tab should be "Class" with the default of "article". Click on > the down arrow and you should see all the classes from which you can > select. > > I've used the book class without any problems. Thanks for the lightning fast reply . . . . . . but ;-) Please re-read my post. I have used the "book" class quite a bit myself. It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a novel in my estimation. I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better off using a word processor. -Peter
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 07:44 pm, Peter Hutnick wrote: > Please re-read my post. I have used the "book" class quite a bit myself. > It is great for technical books, but it is totally inappropriate for a > novel in my estimation. > > I tried using it, but I spent a lot of time fudging it around just to get > mediocre results. Without a more appropriate class I feel I'd be better > off using a word processor. Would the "Memoir" package (check CTAN) be more what you had in mind? :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive!
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Peter Hutnick wrote: > The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. > flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: > > Book >Part > Chapter > Section (where a section would normally be separated by "***".) > I think Book (Koma Script) would be fine for you... at least it has what you descripe above. (You'll have to do something manually to get the '***' - I don't really know what you mean by that anyway...) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Writing a Novel with LyX?
"Peter Hutnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The sort of thing I am looking for is a title page, a novel-style (i.e. > flat) table of contents, and a hierarchy like: > > Book >Part > Chapter > Section (where a section would normally be separated by "***".) I've written novels with LyX (see www.18james.com/writing.html). The book class does fine. The real problem is that unless you're self-publishing -- with which I have no experience -- you have to face the fact that trade publishers are not interested in any output from LyX. They want the manuscript in ms-word, not in LaTeX, LyX, PDF, or Postscript. They'll accept ascii text, but if you have foreign language or special characters in your text, they're lost in an ascii version. I can't stand PC word-processors, so I stick with LyX. But the beautiful typesetting ability of the LaTeX engine is lost, as I end submitting hard-copy. -- Ronald Florence www.18james.com
