Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Thank you for posting the PPC version. I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable. But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs like a champ with no perf problems. Thanks! Yaron Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Thank you for posting the PPC version. I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable. But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs like a champ with no perf problems. Thanks! Yaron Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Thank you for posting the PPC version. I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable. But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs like a champ with no perf problems. Thanks! Yaron Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Johannes Am 06.06.2007 um 15:05 schrieb Bennett Helm: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? I'm trying to figure out if I did something wrong that is fixable on my end, or if we should use a natively built version for PPC. Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Bennett Helm Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:06:49 -0700 On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett Not really... The larger file size could perhaps have an influence, but this seems to happen also for machines with quite a lot of RAM. Could it be due to QT? I guess you compiled it as a binary. Could it be that the optimisation in that case only gets done for one platform (i.e. Intel)? /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett I reported also slow typing on a G4 mac; I want to add that this is not a universal version but a svn version that I compiled on a G5; I think there is a problem with the PPC version. Patrick De Visschere
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On 6 jun 2007, at 16.15, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? No, it is faster than the universal, but not as fast as the one compiled on my machine (iBook G4). See figures below. Note that the benchmark does not reflect real world use, but is more of a (very) rough measure of screen updating, etc. I haven't used the universal binary in any production work yet, will try tomorrow. === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228 RC-Ger 623544 === Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? It is of course nice with ONE Mac version. On the other hand it will be a larger binary, and there is no major problem for a user to select version. So, I guess my opinion is: If you can fix the performance issue, a universal binary would be nice, but in my opinion it is not a major priority. But as you I think we need to understand what causes the performance lag to ensure 1.5 binary(ies) with good performance. /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Johannes Am 06.06.2007 um 15:05 schrieb Bennett Helm: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? I'm trying to figure out if I did something wrong that is fixable on my end, or if we should use a natively built version for PPC. Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Bennett Helm Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:06:49 -0700 On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett Not really... The larger file size could perhaps have an influence, but this seems to happen also for machines with quite a lot of RAM. Could it be due to QT? I guess you compiled it as a binary. Could it be that the optimisation in that case only gets done for one platform (i.e. Intel)? /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett I reported also slow typing on a G4 mac; I want to add that this is not a universal version but a svn version that I compiled on a G5; I think there is a problem with the PPC version. Patrick De Visschere
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On 6 jun 2007, at 16.15, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? No, it is faster than the universal, but not as fast as the one compiled on my machine (iBook G4). See figures below. Note that the benchmark does not reflect real world use, but is more of a (very) rough measure of screen updating, etc. I haven't used the universal binary in any production work yet, will try tomorrow. === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228 RC-Ger 623544 === Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? It is of course nice with ONE Mac version. On the other hand it will be a larger binary, and there is no major problem for a user to select version. So, I guess my opinion is: If you can fix the performance issue, a universal binary would be nice, but in my opinion it is not a major priority. But as you I think we need to understand what causes the performance lag to ensure 1.5 binary(ies) with good performance. /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Johannes Am 06.06.2007 um 15:05 schrieb Bennett Helm: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? I'm trying to figure out if I did something wrong that is fixable on my end, or if we should use a natively built version for PPC. Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? Bennett
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Bennett Helm Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:06:49 -0700 On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett Not really... The larger file size could perhaps have an influence, but this seems to happen also for machines with quite a lot of RAM. Could it be due to QT? I guess you compiled it as a binary. Could it be that the optimisation in that case only gets done for one platform (i.e. Intel)? /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Gerard Ateshian wrote: I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ I don't understand why this would be so: why cross-compiling PPC on my Intel Mac (as I did when making the universal binary) would make it so much slower than native compile. Does anyone have any ideas? Bennett I reported also slow typing on a G4 mac; I want to add that this is not a universal version but a svn version that I compiled on a G5; I think there is a problem with the PPC version. Patrick De Visschere
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
On 6 jun 2007, at 16.15, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Johannes Knaus wrote: Well, I can confirm that Gerards PPC-Version runs just fine (flawlessly and speedy - no lags anymore) on my PPCs, while the universal binary just behaves like driving through small city streets with a truck that can't brake ;-) Thank you very much Gerard. Gerard: What configure settings did you use? Anders: Does Gerard's version perform the same as yours? No, it is faster than the universal, but not as fast as the one compiled on my machine (iBook G4). See figures below. Note that the "benchmark" does not reflect "real world use", but is more of a (very) rough measure of screen updating, etc. I haven't used the universal binary in any production work yet, will try tomorrow. === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228 RC-Ger 623544 === Another question (for everyone): would it be preferable to produce a universal binary (assuming we can work out the performance problem), or would you prefer separate versions for Intel and PPC Macs? It is of course nice with ONE Mac version. On the other hand it will be a larger binary, and there is no major problem for a user to select version. So, I guess my opinion is: If you can fix the performance issue, a universal binary would be nice, but in my opinion it is not a major priority. But as you I think we need to understand what causes the performance lag to ensure 1.5 binary(ies) with good performance. /Anders
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Also on a PPC G4 (iMac, 800MHz, 1GB) typing becomes very slow once an inline equation is entered in a paragraph. Starting a new line (temporarely) just after the equation speeds things up again. On a G5 (1.8GHz, 1GB) this is not so much of a problem but I also see a slowdown due to formulas. Regards, Patrick De Visschere On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Anders Ekberg wrote: Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Also on a PPC G4 (iMac, 800MHz, 1GB) typing becomes very slow once an inline equation is entered in a paragraph. Starting a new line (temporarely) just after the equation speeds things up again. On a G5 (1.8GHz, 1GB) this is not so much of a problem but I also see a slowdown due to formulas. Regards, Patrick De Visschere On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Anders Ekberg wrote: Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't behave ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't "behave" ;-)) Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." (Charlie Brown)
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't "behave" ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Also on a PPC G4 (iMac, 800MHz, 1GB) typing becomes very slow once an inline equation is entered in a paragraph. Starting a new line (temporarely) just after the equation speeds things up again. On a G5 (1.8GHz, 1GB) this is not so much of a problem but I also see a slowdown due to formulas. Regards, Patrick De Visschere On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Anders Ekberg wrote: Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non- universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC- version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders Hello Anders, I'm sorry but I don't know how to compile Lyx and neither have the developertools installed (too much for my old iBook). So, if you could upload a ppc-only binary? That would be great. But maybe it's something else than the lack of RAM. I have installed and tested the 1.5.0rc also here at work (University) on an G4 PPC 1.25GHz with 768MB RAM (10.4.9 also) and it behaves like my iBook (well I know, computers don't "behave" ;-)) Greets, Johannes I did a benchmark. Figures below (use mono-space font). It seems that in general the universal version is slower (the first time I ran the test it was even slower with an arrow scroll of 292). Especially the page down difference is remarkable. Bennett, do you know what this could be due to? In general the arrow down has become slower also for the PPC version. This is probably due to the bug-fix that previously made LyX skip lines. Anyway, I don't know if your problem is related to this. I have the impression that on some Macs LyX is extremely slow (for my use, the only time it feels really sluggish is when I type into a note). I think the reason for this is still an open question. Anders === Benchmark with LyX User's guide (time in seconds). Instant preview on. DateOpen Scroll Page Comments down down (arrow) 07-05-21 617241 Skipping lines. RC1(uni) 727553 RC1(PPC) 522028 07-06-03 622228
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my own version and it runs just fine. If you want it, you can download it from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/ Gerard Ateshian
1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non-universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC-version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders
1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong? Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night. (Charlie Brown)
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non-universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC-version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders
1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes -- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." (Charlie Brown)
Re:1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag
Johannes Knaus Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0700 Hello, I'm just testing the 1.5.0rc1 binary on my PPC G3 (iBook 700Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10.4.9). It is significantly slower than all 1.5betas released earlier. When I'm typing some characters there is always a lag of some seconds before it appears on the screen. This makes Lyx definetly unusable for me. Ok, my Mac is certainly not one of the newest ;-) but now even Word (which I really don't want to use) runs faster. Is there a fix? Greets, Johannes Johannes, You seem to have quite little RAM. It *could* be that a non-universal version would work better for you (I really don't know what the overhead is for running an universal application, does someone else know?). Do you have the possibility to compile a PPC-version. If not, please let me know and I'll upload a binary and send you the link (limited band-width at the moment, so probably not until Thursday). /Anders
