Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread Helge Hafting
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)-tex-dvi-pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it 
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Helge Hafting


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread stephan beal
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
 pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
 unless you really need
 some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.

-- 
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://s11n.net
...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands
of the will. -- Alan W. Watts


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread Herbert Voss
stephan beal wrote:
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.
then you have a bug in your document ...
Herbert



Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread Helge Hafting
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)-tex-dvi-pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it 
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Helge Hafting


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread stephan beal
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
 pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
 unless you really need
 some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.

-- 
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://s11n.net
...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands
of the will. -- Alan W. Watts


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-23 Thread Herbert Voss
stephan beal wrote:
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.
then you have a bug in your document ...
Herbert



Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-23 Thread Helge Hafting
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)->tex->dvi->ps->pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)->tex->dvi->pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it 
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Helge Hafting


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-23 Thread stephan beal
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
> pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
> unless you really need
> some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.

-- 
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://s11n.net
"...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands
of the will." -- Alan W. Watts


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-23 Thread Herbert Voss
stephan beal wrote:
On Monday 23 August 2004 10:53, Helge Hafting wrote:
pdflatex is also a lot faster than the other alternatives, so use it
unless you really need
some feature only found in the others.

Or if it creates incomplete PDFs. :/ i've got one doc which doesn't use 
any special features (no indexing, no images, no formulas... nothing 
but text and section numbers), but one of the pages it generates (out 
of 18 or so) is half blank, and causes gv to crash throw an error while 
rendering that page. Running one of the other PDF exports works fine.
then you have a bug in your document ...
Herbert



Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!

What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
that you can use psfrag, pstricks, ... and other PostScript related
packages without any restriction.
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 

possible with any method

I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?
I meant the images ...
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.

But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
yes
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?
there are only a few packages, e.g. hyperref and pstricks.con, which
are patched for use with VTeX. I have a link from VTeX to my TeX-Live
installation.
Herbert

--
http://TeXnik.de/
http://PSTricks.de/
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf
http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!

What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
that you can use psfrag, pstricks, ... and other PostScript related
packages without any restriction.
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 

possible with any method

I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?
I meant the images ...
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.

But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
yes
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?
there are only a few packages, e.g. hyperref and pstricks.con, which
are patched for use with VTeX. I have a link from VTeX to my TeX-Live
installation.
Herbert

--
http://TeXnik.de/
http://PSTricks.de/
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf
http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-21 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!

What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
that you can use psfrag, pstricks, ... and other PostScript related
packages without any restriction.
pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 

possible with any method

I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?
I meant the images ...
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.

But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
yes
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?
there are only a few packages, e.g. hyperref and pstricks.con, which
are patched for use with VTeX. I have a link from VTeX to my TeX-Live
installation.
Herbert

--
http://TeXnik.de/
http://PSTricks.de/
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf
http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes


Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread neubrief
Hi there,
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?

Thanks,
Dieter


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?
pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)-tex-dvi-pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

Correct me if I'm wrong.
regards Uwe


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )
this is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
creating hyperlinks is also possible with ps2pdf. pdfTeX also
has some disadvantages, e.g. no PostScript arithmetic
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
Herbert



Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Herbert, Voss wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?

a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?

Thanks in advance and regards
Uwe


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 07:01:36PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
 and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
 smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
 and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

But can't use pstricks etc.

 Correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Andre'


Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread neubrief
Hi there,
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?

Thanks,
Dieter


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?
pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)-tex-dvi-pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

Correct me if I'm wrong.
regards Uwe


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)-tex-dvi-ps-pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )
this is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
creating hyperlinks is also possible with ps2pdf. pdfTeX also
has some disadvantages, e.g. no PostScript arithmetic
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
Herbert



Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Herbert, Voss wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?

a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?

Thanks in advance and regards
Uwe


Re: Difference between pdf dvipdfm and pdflatex ?

2004-08-20 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 07:01:36PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 pdflatex creates (lyx)-tex-pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
 and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
 smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
 and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

But can't use pstricks etc.

 Correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Andre'


Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-20 Thread neubrief
Hi there,
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?

Thanks,
Dieter


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the difference 
between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my lyx document 
to a pdf one?
pdf creates a (lyx)->tex->dvi->ps->pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )

dvipdfm creates (lyx)->tex->dvi->pdf (better than the first method, it 
is able to embed images and to create hyperlinks. The dvipdfm-programm 
is not under development since 2002)

pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

Correct me if I'm wrong.
regards Uwe


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-20 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
neubrief wrote:
I'm somewhat new to LyX and Tex and want to know what is the 
difference between using pdf, dvipdfm and pdflatex when exporting my 
lyx document to a pdf one?

pdf creates a (lyx)->tex->dvi->ps->pdf (due to the complicated 
construction via 2 other file formats, it has many restrictions 
(hyperlinks disappear etc.) )
this is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
creating hyperlinks is also possible with ps2pdf. pdfTeX also
has some disadvantages, e.g. no PostScript arithmetic
smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)
a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
Herbert



Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-20 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Herbert, Voss wrote:
pdf is a method which produces in _any_ case a pdf file
and has only _some_ minor restrictions, e.g. no linebreaks
of hyperrefs. It has also some advantages!
What are the advantages? I had much problems with this method in the past.
pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
possible with any method
I don't understand that. What other program is able to convert tex to 
pdf directly?

a good alternative is VTeX/Linux, which is free and can handle
_any_ graphics format and _any_ PostScript related code.
But VTeX is not free under Win, insn't it?
VTeX seems to be a complete (La)TeX distribution. Is it possible to use 
only the pdf-producing engine together/for other LaTeX-distributions?

Thanks in advance and regards
Uwe


Re: Difference between "pdf" "dvipdfm" and "pdflatex" ?

2004-08-20 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 07:01:36PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> pdflatex creates (lyx)->tex->pdf (best solution, you can embed images 
> and other pdfs, create hyperlinks and the file size of the pdf is 
> smaller than with dvipdfm. Pdflatex is developed by a large community 
> and is part of all actual LaTeX-distributions (de-facto the standard).)

But can't use pstricks etc.

> Correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Andre'