Re: Ellipsis [FIXED]
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Have you offended any gremlins recently? Perhaps you could post a MWE that generates error messages. Paul, I must have. Yesterday I tried multiple times with \ldots and \textellipsis and each refused to compile. This morning I made a MWE with both commands and had no problems. Changed the real doc and it, too, works with both. There must have been something stuck in the doc that was thrown off when I killed the application so it is no longer present. Very strange. Stay well, Rich -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Ellipsis [FIXED]
On 11/10/20 8:21 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Paul A. Rubin wrote: LyX translates an ellipsis (entered with Alt + . or via the Insert menu) to \ldots. (Note the final s -- not sure if your "\ldot" was a typo or whether you are not remembering the command correctly.) AFAIK, \ldots is defined in the LaTeX kernel and does not require loading a package. The same is true of \textellipsis. Paul, Interesting. Yes, \ldot was a typo as an ellipsis has three dots. I didn't use the menu or Alt-.; I automatically open an ERT box (and still strongly dislike that name) and type the command. But \textellipsis, \ldots, and \ellipsis all produced the same compilation error, built-in or as a loaded module. Just now I killed the ERT box and used alt-. which displayed the ellipsis and was accepted by pdflatex. This leads to my suggestion that the next release of LyX accept the ERT commands as well as the keyboard chord and the menu item. Some older foggies like me are touch-typists and still enter LaTeX commands directly. Doesn't seem to me that allowing these would take anything away. Thanks for the solution, Rich Rich, When I type \ldots or \textellipsis in an ERT box and compile with pdlatex, it works fine (without my adding anything to the preamble). So this is not a LyX issue. Have you offended any gremlins recently? Perhaps you could post a MWE that generates error messages. Paul -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Ellipsis [FIXED]
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Paul A. Rubin wrote: LyX translates an ellipsis (entered with Alt + . or via the Insert menu) to \ldots. (Note the final s -- not sure if your "\ldot" was a typo or whether you are not remembering the command correctly.) AFAIK, \ldots is defined in the LaTeX kernel and does not require loading a package. The same is true of \textellipsis. Paul, Interesting. Yes, \ldot was a typo as an ellipsis has three dots. I didn't use the menu or Alt-.; I automatically open an ERT box (and still strongly dislike that name) and type the command. But \textellipsis, \ldots, and \ellipsis all produced the same compilation error, built-in or as a loaded module. Just now I killed the ERT box and used alt-. which displayed the ellipsis and was accepted by pdflatex. This leads to my suggestion that the next release of LyX accept the ERT commands as well as the keyboard chord and the menu item. Some older foggies like me are touch-typists and still enter LaTeX commands directly. Doesn't seem to me that allowing these would take anything away. Thanks for the solution, Rich -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Ellipsis
On 11/10/20 5:06 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: Here lyx-2.3.5.2-x86_64-1_SBo is running on Slackware-14.2/x86_64. In the past I've used both \textellipsis and \ldot to typeset an ellipsis but neither is installed with TeXLive-2020. However, ellipsis.sty is installed and its use specified in the document's preamble. But, pdflatex complains about an undefined text sequence and won't compile the document. What have I missed here? Rich LyX translates an ellipsis (entered with Alt + . or via the Insert menu) to \ldots. (Note the final s -- not sure if your "\ldot" was a typo or whether you are not remembering the command correctly.) AFAIK, \ldots is defined in the LaTeX kernel and does not require loading a package. The same is true of \textellipsis. Paul -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Ellipsis
Here lyx-2.3.5.2-x86_64-1_SBo is running on Slackware-14.2/x86_64. In the past I've used both \textellipsis and \ldot to typeset an ellipsis but neither is installed with TeXLive-2020. However, ellipsis.sty is installed and its use specified in the document's preamble. But, pdflatex complains about an undefined text sequence and won't compile the document. What have I missed here? Rich -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode?
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015, Victor Porton wrote: How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode? You can also enter either of these two LaTeX commands in an ERT box: \textellipsis or \ldots Rich
Re: How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode?
Victor, What platform are you on? On LyX 2.1.3 you can find it under the Insert > Special Character menu where it should also tell you the keyboard shortcut. For example, on my Linux machine it is Left Alt+. [i.e. the full stop character]. Hope this helps. Shay On 2 August 2015 at 23:48, Victor Porton wrote: > How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode? > > -- > Victor Porton - http://portonvictor.org > >
How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode?
How to insert dots (ellipsis) in text mode? -- Victor Porton - http://portonvictor.org
Re: spacing after ellipsis, Q & A!
Rich Shepard writes:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Martin Geisler wrote:
> >> Then I ran texhash (all of this as root), reconfigured and
> >> restarted LyX, and added "\usepackage{ellipsis}" to the doc
> >> preamble.
> >
> > So I always install such new packages there and thus avoid becoming
> > root. On my own machine this doesn't make such a big difference,
> > but at the university it is a very nice feature. Having all your
> > files in the home directory is also nice for backup purposes.
True, I should have mentioned this. We have opposite prefs. in this
regard. (I like to know what I've added to the system and I like to
have it backed up somewhere other than in my home dir.)
>If such subtle distinctions are important to you, I suggest
> reading TLC2 then selecting the appropriate macro.
Normally, perhaps not, but... when you are working... on reproducing
personal correspondence... that is full of... ellipsi (?), then it...
becomes more important. :-(
BTW, my very own copy of the LaTeX Companion is on its way, across the
Channel, to me. :-) ("Höchste Zeit" some might say here!) ;-)
-Kevin
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Re: spacing after ellipsis, Q & A!
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Martin Geisler wrote:
Then I ran texhash (all of this as root), reconfigured and restarted
LyX, and added "\usepackage{ellipsis}" to the doc preamble.
So I always install such new packages there and thus avoid becoming root.
On my own machine this doesn't make such a big difference, but at the
university it is a very nice feature. Having all your files in the home
directory is also nice for backup purposes.
Separate from the installation directory issue, "The LaTeX Companion, 2nd
Ed." has an excellent discussion of the typographic subtleties in the use of
the ellipsis.
I never knew that anyone cared about such seemingly-trivial issues until
the TeXpert at Springer New York asked me to replace all instances of
\textellipsis in my book with \ldots. So, I read up on the differences. Do I
care? Not then, and not now. I just shrugged, did a global search and
replace, and continued with my life.
If such subtle distinctions are important to you, I suggest reading TLC2
then selecting the appropriate macro.
Rich
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Re: spacing after ellipsis, Q & A!
Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...] TEXMFLOCAL already pointed here (to [/usr/local/share/texmf]).
>
> Then I ran texhash (all of this as root), reconfigured and restarted
> LyX, and added "\usepackage{ellipsis}" to the doc preamble.
I don't know if this is universal, but my texmf.cnf defines a
HOMETEXMF variable that points to ~/texmf.
So I always install such new packages there and thus avoid becoming
root. On my own machine this doesn't make such a big difference, but
at the university it is a very nice feature. Having all your files in
the home directory is also nice for backup purposes.
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spacing after ellipsis, Q & A!
Hi all,
* Question * [I was about to post]:
Following a 3-dot ellipsis LyX/LaTeX leave a full-stop space. Is there a
way to change this behavior, so that the default behavior is that the
following space is a standard inter-word space?
* Answer * [After a little DIY-googling]:
Get package (from here, for example):
https://www.tug.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/ellipsis/
Follow directions in the "Customizing LyX" standard help document for
installing new packages...
Note: In my case (Suse) the standard path is: [/usr/share/texmf] so
instead of using [/usr/local/texmf] as recommended in the LyX doc for
locally-installed packages I used [/usr/local/share/texmf]. The
consistency is good and it meant I needed to make no pathname changes
of any kind as TEXMFLOCAL already pointed here (to
[/usr/local/share/texmf]).
I followed the package directions for building the .sty and .dtx files,
moved the docs (ellipsis.pdf and ellipsis.dvi)
to /usr/local/share/texmf/docs/latex/ellipsis and threw out
the .aux, .log, .glo, and .idx files.
Then I ran texhash (all of this as root), reconfigured and restarted
LyX, and added "\usepackage{ellipsis}" to the doc preamble.
Worked great!
If this is reasonably accurate (improvements/corrections welcome), I'll
add this to the Wiki (in a couple weeks).
-Kevin
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Re: LyX Ellipsis
Thanks Uwe, Rich, and Herbert.
On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 01:05 AM, Herbert Voss wrote:
Bruce Pourciau wrote:
A word space should precede and follow any ellipsis which appears
between two words in the middle of a sentence, according for example
to the typographer Robert Bringhurst (The Elements of Typographic
Style). In LyX, typing
word space then option-period then word space
produces unbalanced spacing, with more space on the right side. Typing
word space then option-period
produces less unbalanced spacing, but now with less space on the
right side.
How do I get an ellipsis with the proper spacing fore and aft?
write into the preamble of the document
\let\ldotsOld\ldots
\renewcommand\ldots{\ldotsOld\unkern}
Herbert
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Bruce,
If you want to learn the subtleties of the ellipsis in all its glory,
read
the appropriate section in "The LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition". What it
comes
down to is differing views of what's proper under which circumstances.
For
example, in my book I used \textelllipsis but I was told by
Springer-Verlag's TeXpert to use \ldots instead.
The differences are both very subtle and of no interest to me. If
Springer-Verlag wants \ldots in their monographs rather than
\textellipsis,
then \ldots is what they get.
There are even more variants, IIRC. Read about them and pick the one
you
like best.
HTH,
Rich
Bruce Pourciau wrote:
In LyX, typing
> word space then option-period then word space
produces unbalanced spacing, with more space on the right side.
This a well known problem of LaTeX. It is described in the book "The
LaTeX Companion Second Edition" in chap. 3.1.2.
The command \ldots, that LyX uses for an ellipsis, produces more space
after the ellipsis to have enough space before a punctuation character
or the next word.
How do I get an ellipsis with the proper spacing fore and aft?
To have an ellipsis with balanced spaces, define a new command \lips in
the preamble with
\newcommand{\lips}{\dots\unkern}
and use it instead of LyX's ellipsis.
An example is attached.
Re: LyX Ellipsis
Bruce Pourciau wrote:
A word space should precede and follow any ellipsis which appears
between two words in the middle of a sentence, according for example to
the typographer Robert Bringhurst (The Elements of Typographic Style).
In LyX, typing
word space then option-period then word space
produces unbalanced spacing, with more space on the right side. Typing
word space then option-period
produces less unbalanced spacing, but now with less space on the right
side.
How do I get an ellipsis with the proper spacing fore and aft?
write into the preamble of the document
\let\ldotsOld\ldots
\renewcommand\ldots{\ldotsOld\unkern}
Herbert
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http://PSTricks.de/
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf
http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes
Re: LyX Ellipsis
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Bruce Pourciau wrote: A word space should precede and follow any ellipsis which appears between two words in the middle of a sentence, according for example to the typographer Robert Bringhurst (The Elements of Typographic Style). In LyX, typing Bruce, If you want to learn the subtleties of the ellipsis in all its glory, read the appropriate section in "The LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition". What it comes down to is differing views of what's proper under which circumstances. For example, in my book I used \textelllipsis but I was told by Springer-Verlag's TeXpert to use \ldots instead. The differences are both very subtle and of no interest to me. If Springer-Verlag wants \ldots in their monographs rather than \textellipsis, then \ldots is what they get. There are even more variants, IIRC. Read about them and pick the one you like best. HTH, Rich -- Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) <http://www.appl-ecosys.com> Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863
Re: LyX Ellipsis
Bruce Pourciau wrote:
In LyX, typing
> word space then option-period then word space
produces unbalanced spacing, with more space on the right side.
This a well known problem of LaTeX. It is described in the book "The
LaTeX Companion Second Edition" in chap. 3.1.2.
The command \ldots, that LyX uses for an ellipsis, produces more space
after the ellipsis to have enough space before a punctuation character
or the next word.
How do I get an ellipsis with the proper spacing fore and aft?
To have an ellipsis with balanced spaces, define a new command \lips in
the preamble with
\newcommand{\lips}{\dots\unkern}
and use it instead of LyX's ellipsis.
An example is attached.
regards Uwe
#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
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LyX Ellipsis
A word space should precede and follow any ellipsis which appears between two words in the middle of a sentence, according for example to the typographer Robert Bringhurst (The Elements of Typographic Style). In LyX, typing word space then option-period then word space produces unbalanced spacing, with more space on the right side. Typing word space then option-period produces less unbalanced spacing, but now with less space on the right side. How do I get an ellipsis with the proper spacing fore and aft? Bruce
