Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the 
one I have attached. 
Wolfgang

###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically 
reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include 
file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen
attachment: P006.jpg

Re: Graphics Tools

[John Kane]

 I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that it 
will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the manual but 
this ??

What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me.  




On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 
There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the one I 
have attached. 
Wolfgang
 
###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 
Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
 
Input.
 
If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
 
Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Wednesday 12 February 2014 16:15:10 John Kane wrote:
  I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that
 it will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the
 manual but this ??
 
 What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

It is from a book of Winfree The timing of biological clocks (Scientific 
American Library 1986) and describes in color, what happens with the 
heart beat if the heart is stimulated electrically at different phases (x 
axis, one heart beat takes about one second) and the stimulus size is 
varied (y axis, stimulus size increases vertically). So time is color coded 
and the new phase can be seen by its color. 
There is a point of singularity, where the different colors meet, which can 
be reached by using a certain phase (yellow) and strength. If applied to 
the heart (rabbit), it stops beating.  In humans this happens occasionally 
during games if the ball or something else hits the chest (called 
Commotio cordis, sudden stop of the heart).
I do not know how it was created originally, since Art Winfree 
unfortunately passed away.

I saw in the examples coming with TikZ that HSV shading, J-
curve,RGBcolor mixing and RGBcolor triangle might be starting points, but 
if somebody has some experience on this line, I would appreciate some 
hints.
Wolfgang
 
 Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me. 
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 
 There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
 I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like 
the
 one I have attached. Wolfgang
  
 ###
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
 From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  
 
 Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
   If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
  
  I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically
  reuse elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or
  include file (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
 
  
 Input.
  
 If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant
 preview and command completion:
 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
  
 Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the 
one I have attached. 
Wolfgang

###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically 
reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include 
file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen
attachment: P006.jpg

Re: Graphics Tools

[John Kane]

 I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that it 
will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the manual but 
this ??

What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me.  




On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 
There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the one I 
have attached. 
Wolfgang
 
###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 
Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
 
Input.
 
If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
 
Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Wednesday 12 February 2014 16:15:10 John Kane wrote:
  I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that
 it will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the
 manual but this ??
 
 What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

It is from a book of Winfree The timing of biological clocks (Scientific 
American Library 1986) and describes in color, what happens with the 
heart beat if the heart is stimulated electrically at different phases (x 
axis, one heart beat takes about one second) and the stimulus size is 
varied (y axis, stimulus size increases vertically). So time is color coded 
and the new phase can be seen by its color. 
There is a point of singularity, where the different colors meet, which can 
be reached by using a certain phase (yellow) and strength. If applied to 
the heart (rabbit), it stops beating.  In humans this happens occasionally 
during games if the ball or something else hits the chest (called 
Commotio cordis, sudden stop of the heart).
I do not know how it was created originally, since Art Winfree 
unfortunately passed away.

I saw in the examples coming with TikZ that HSV shading, J-
curve,RGBcolor mixing and RGBcolor triangle might be starting points, but 
if somebody has some experience on this line, I would appreciate some 
hints.
Wolfgang
 
 Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me. 
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 
 There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
 I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like 
the
 one I have attached. Wolfgang
  
 ###
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
 From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  
 
 Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
   If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
  
  I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically
  reuse elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or
  include file (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
 
  
 Input.
  
 If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant
 preview and command completion:
 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
  
 Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the 
one I have attached. 
Wolfgang

###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
> > If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
> 
> I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically 
reuse 
> elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either "input file" or "include 
file"
> (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen
<>

Re: Graphics Tools

[John Kane]

 I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that it 
will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the manual but 
this ??

What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me.  




On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
<engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
 
There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like the one I 
have attached. 
Wolfgang
 
###
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 
Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
> > If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
> 
> I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
> elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either "input file" or "include file"
> (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
 
Input.
 
If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
 
Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Wednesday 12 February 2014 16:15:10 John Kane wrote:
>  I have been playing with TikZ a bit the last week or so and I know that
> it will do graduated shading, there is a good discussion of it in the
> manual but this ??
> 
> What is the data and the graph about?  How was it created originally?

It is from a book of Winfree "The timing of biological clocks" (Scientific 
American Library 1986) and describes in color, what happens with the 
heart beat if the heart is stimulated electrically at different phases (x 
axis, one heart beat takes about one second) and the stimulus size is 
varied (y axis, stimulus size increases vertically). So time is color coded 
and the new phase can be seen by its color. 
There is a point of singularity, where the different colors meet, which can 
be reached by using a certain phase (yellow) and strength. If applied to 
the heart (rabbit), it stops beating.  In humans this happens occasionally 
during games if the ball or something else hits the chest (called 
Commotio cordis, sudden stop of the heart).
I do not know how it was created originally, since Art Winfree 
unfortunately passed away.

I saw in the examples coming with TikZ that HSV shading, J-
curve,RGBcolor mixing and RGBcolor triangle might be starting points, but 
if somebody has some experience on this line, I would appreciate some 
hints.
Wolfgang
> 
> Since I am on Ubuntu the image opened very nicely for me. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:59:00 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
> <engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
> 
> There was a discussion on graphics tools -tikz and ktikz (see below).
> I wonder, whether this program can be used to produce an image like 
the
> one I have attached. Wolfgang
>  
> ###
> Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
> Date: Saturday 21 July 2012, 11:08:38
> From: Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
>  
> 
> Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
> > > If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
> > 
> > I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically
> > reuse elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either "input file" or
> > "include file" (can't recall which). Works like a charm.
> 
>  
> Input.
>  
> If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant
> preview and command completion:
> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188
>  
> Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
  If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
 
 I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
 elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
 (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:
> > If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.
> 
> I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
> elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either "input file" or "include file"
> (can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Input.

If you're on Linux, there's a nifty little tikz editor with instant preview 
and command completion:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktikz?content=63188

Jürgen

Re: Graphics Tools

[paul sutton]

On 16/07/12 16:44, William R. Buckley wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

 wrb

There are things like pstricks which is a package that can be integrated
with latex,  that then allows items to be drawn,

Paul

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Re: Graphics Tools

[paul sutton]

On 16/07/12 16:44, William R. Buckley wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

 wrb

There are things like pstricks which is a package that can be integrated
with latex,  that then allows items to be drawn,

Paul

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http://www.ubuntu.com

skype : psutton111
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911

Re: Graphics Tools

[paul sutton]

On 16/07/12 16:44, William R. Buckley wrote:
> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
>
> Can you please make a few suggestions.
>
> wrb
>
There are things like pstricks which is a package that can be integrated
with latex,  that then allows items to be drawn,

Paul

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http://www.ubuntu.com

skype : psutton111
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Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:

 Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:
 
 
 Boxes with text labels
 Connectors
 Everything aligns on the grid!
 Export to vector format
 Some text on lines (some math would be nice)

 
 If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and,
 once you learn the node syntax, easily.
 
 Paul

How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Have you tried yEd?

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I have spent half an hour to play with it. The integration of Graphviz-like
algorithms is very nice for block diagrams and networks, but I have not
been able to find a way to simply paste equation (Mathtype or Latexit type
vector elements to copy and paste) in the graphics. That is completely
blocking for me.

2012/7/19 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net

  Perhaps the best for now is dia.

 Have you tried yEd?

 Sincerely,

 Wolfgang




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:

 How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Yes.
 
 Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

Haven't tried that. 
 
 If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
(can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:

 Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:
 
 
 Boxes with text labels
 Connectors
 Everything aligns on the grid!
 Export to vector format
 Some text on lines (some math would be nice)

 
 If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and,
 once you learn the node syntax, easily.
 
 Paul

How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Have you tried yEd?

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I have spent half an hour to play with it. The integration of Graphviz-like
algorithms is very nice for block diagrams and networks, but I have not
been able to find a way to simply paste equation (Mathtype or Latexit type
vector elements to copy and paste) in the graphics. That is completely
blocking for me.

2012/7/19 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net

  Perhaps the best for now is dia.

 Have you tried yEd?

 Sincerely,

 Wolfgang




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:

 How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Yes.
 
 Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

Haven't tried that. 
 
 If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either input file or include file
(can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

Paul A.  Rubin wrote:

> Neal Becker  gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> Boxes with text labels
>> Connectors
>> Everything aligns on the grid!
>> Export to vector format
>> Some text on lines (some math would be nice)
>>
> 
> If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and,
> once you learn the node syntax, easily.
> 
> Paul

How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

> Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Have you tried yEd?

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I have spent half an hour to play with it. The integration of Graphviz-like
algorithms is very nice for block diagrams and networks, but I have not
been able to find a way to simply paste equation (Mathtype or Latexit type
vector elements to copy and paste) in the graphics. That is completely
blocking for me.

2012/7/19 Wolfgang Keller 

> > Perhaps the best for now is dia.
>
> Have you tried yEd?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Wolfgang
>



-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker  gmail.com> writes:

> How do I use TiKZ with lyx?  Just enter it all as ERT?

Yes.
> 
> Can lyx do 'insert graphics' and accept TiKZ?

Haven't tried that. 
> 
> If I did use TiKZ, I'd prefer to put the drawing in a separate file.

I do that for more complex diagrams, or ones I might hypothetically reuse 
elsewhere. To embed them in LyX, I use either "input file" or "include file"
(can't recall which). Works like a charm.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 18/07/2012 5:06 a.m., William R. Buckley wrote:

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb



There is nothing like an enquiry about graphics tools to generate a 
flood of responses. The wisest thoughts on this matter were aired on 
this list a year or three ago by David Johnson (or was it Paul?) whose 
advice was to get to know *thoroughly* your program of choice. There 
will always be other programs to tempt with extra bells and whistles, 
but you have to invest time and effort in learning how to use them to 
enjoy these extra facilities. It becomes self-defeating.


Andrew

Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

William R. Buckley wrote:

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb

Almost always the diagrams I want are block diagrams.  Requirements are:

Boxes with text labels
Connectors
Everything aligns on the grid!
Export to vector format
Some text on lines (some math would be nice)

You'd think that would be pretty minimal, but I've spent countless hours trying 
to meet these requirements.

You'd think libreoffice might do it.  My experience is otherwise.  After 
playing 
with grid settings, I still find things get placed off grid.

Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:

 
 Boxes with text labels
 Connectors
 Everything aligns on the grid!
 Export to vector format
 Some text on lines (some math would be nice)


If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and, 
once you learn the node syntax, easily.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 18/07/2012 5:06 a.m., William R. Buckley wrote:

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb



There is nothing like an enquiry about graphics tools to generate a 
flood of responses. The wisest thoughts on this matter were aired on 
this list a year or three ago by David Johnson (or was it Paul?) whose 
advice was to get to know *thoroughly* your program of choice. There 
will always be other programs to tempt with extra bells and whistles, 
but you have to invest time and effort in learning how to use them to 
enjoy these extra facilities. It becomes self-defeating.


Andrew

Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

William R. Buckley wrote:

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb

Almost always the diagrams I want are block diagrams.  Requirements are:

Boxes with text labels
Connectors
Everything aligns on the grid!
Export to vector format
Some text on lines (some math would be nice)

You'd think that would be pretty minimal, but I've spent countless hours trying 
to meet these requirements.

You'd think libreoffice might do it.  My experience is otherwise.  After 
playing 
with grid settings, I still find things get placed off grid.

Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker ndbecker2 at gmail.com writes:

 
 Boxes with text labels
 Connectors
 Everything aligns on the grid!
 Export to vector format
 Some text on lines (some math would be nice)


If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and, 
once you learn the node syntax, easily.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 18/07/2012 5:06 a.m., William R. Buckley wrote:

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb



There is nothing like an enquiry about graphics tools to generate a 
flood of responses. The wisest thoughts on this matter were aired on 
this list a year or three ago by David Johnson (or was it Paul?) whose 
advice was to get to know *thoroughly* your program of choice. There 
will always be other programs to tempt with extra "bells and whistles", 
but you have to invest time and effort in learning how to use them to 
enjoy these extra facilities. It becomes self-defeating.


Andrew

Re: Graphics Tools

[Neal Becker]

William R. Buckley wrote:

> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> 
> Can you please make a few suggestions.
> 
> wrb

Almost always the diagrams I want are block diagrams.  Requirements are:

Boxes with text labels
Connectors
Everything aligns on the grid!
Export to vector format
Some text on lines (some math would be nice)

You'd think that would be pretty minimal, but I've spent countless hours trying 
to meet these requirements.

You'd think libreoffice might do it.  My experience is otherwise.  After 
playing 
with grid settings, I still find things get placed off grid.

Perhaps the best for now is dia.

Re: Graphics Tools

[Paul A . Rubin]

Neal Becker  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Boxes with text labels
> Connectors
> Everything aligns on the grid!
> Export to vector format
> Some text on lines (some math would be nice)
>

If you don't need a GUI interface, TiKZ does those accurately and, 
once you learn the node syntax, easily.

Paul

Re: Graphics Tools

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:

 I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
 Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

 dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 

However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better choice and
works with LyX like a charm.

Alternatively, you can use the external inset (InsertFileExternal ...)
to insert the dia file itself (with internal conversion by LyX).


 Inkscape
 uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
 Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.


Günter

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Depends on what you need. Some that haven't been mentioned yet:

- yEd www.yworks.com
- sK1 sk1project.org
- Xara www.xaraxtreme.org
- On MacOS X: Omnigraffle, of course

Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
free open-source-)software.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
 free open-source-)software.

I like alternativeTo for this. :)

Liviu

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is 
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb

 -Original Message-
 From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
 Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
 To: Wolfgang Keller
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
 wrote:
  Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
  free open-source-)software.
 
 I like alternativeTo for this. :)
 
 Liviu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:35:55 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
 On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
  Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
 
  dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 
 
 However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
 Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better
 choice and works with LyX like a charm.


Hi Günter,

How about SVG? Lately I've been putting SVG into LyX documents, and SVG
is vector. But I've gotten the impression that LyX incorporates an SVG
image by converting it to a vector graphic.

I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
vector graphics, please let me know.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi WIlliam,

Ipe's logic is somewhat peculiar, but very powerful when you get used to
it. I have also observed that it generates very small and clean pdf files.

Jpicedt is very powerful if you use with the option PSTricks (in the Menu
Edit/Format). Then you get access to the full potential of Postscript (for
the shape fills for example). But, including PSTricks in a file to be
compiled with pdflatex is rather tricky (but perfectly possible otherwise,
there are web pages explaining how to proceed), so you will rather prefer
the chain Latex-DVI-Postscript-PDF. You also need a JRE to execute it,
since it is Java program.

The advantage of these two programs is the possibility of directly typing
latex command in text boxes (including math), and the coherence you get in
terms of typesetting between the rest of your text and your graphics.

Tikz can also provide such a coherence but the learning cost is higher I
think.

Inkscape has also a plugin (textext if I remember well) that provides this
possibility but I have never been able to make it work under OSX, even
using Macports.

2012/7/17 William R. Buckley bill.buck...@gmail.com

 Thank you all for the list of tools.

 As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
 a bit clunky.

 Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

 wrb

  -Original Message-
  From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
  Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
  To: Wolfgang Keller
  Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
  On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
  wrote:
   Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
   free open-source-)software.
  
  I like alternativeTo for this. :)
 
  Liviu




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Les Denham]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb
 

One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
(http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).

I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
has native support from LyX. Look at
http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
for  examples of what can be done.

Les

RE: Graphics Tools

[Scott Kostyshak]

From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM

I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
vector graphics, please let me know.

Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences  File Formats, you will 
see your converters. I have SVG - EPS, SVG - PDF, and SVG - PNG. EPS and PDF 
are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't have inkscape installed (which is 
what is doing the conversions for me and which is searched for by LyX's 
configure), then your convertor can only convert to a raster format.

Scott

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I limited my  suggestions to drawing programs. For plotting like Grace, we
have a lot of choices.

I now only use R-Project with ggplot2 for plotting data and Sage for
plotting functions (and other mathematical computations), but I was a Maple
user.


2012/7/17 Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org

 On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
 William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:

  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
  wrb
 

 One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
 (http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).

 I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
 has native support from LyX. Look at
 http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
 for  examples of what can be done.

 Les




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:53:53 +, Scott Kostyshak said:
 From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM
 
 I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
 are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
 of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
 vector graphics, please let me know.
 
 Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences  File Formats,
 you will see your converters. I have SVG - EPS, SVG - PDF, and SVG
 - PNG. EPS and PDF are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't
 have inkscape installed (which is what is doing the conversions for
 me and which is searched for by LyX's configure), then your convertor
 can only convert to a raster format.
 
 Scott

Hi Scott,

You're right!

I looked in /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/, and found lots of SVG's that had
been converted to .pdf. A look in file /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/index
showed the conversions, and it appears that all my SVG's  were
converted to both .pdfs and .eps's. IMHO .pdf is smaller and better
than .eps, and I'm not sure why it made both, or which is used.
Sometimes I use ps2pdf, and sometimes I use pdflatex, and probably that
is why it converts both way.

You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
graphics with LyX.

Thanks for helping me understand this.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
 graphics with LyX.

The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion svg-pdf(/eps)
doesn't work well and you are dependent on external tools (either inkscape
or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment and screw up your document
as their version changes.

From longterm  stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better idea
for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).

Pavel

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:26:37 +0200, Pavel Sanda said:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
  graphics with LyX.
 
 The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion
 svg-pdf(/eps) doesn't work well and you are dependent on external
 tools (either inkscape or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment
 and screw up your document as their version changes.
 
 From longterm  stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better
 idea for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).
 
 Pavel


Hi Pavel,

You bring up an excellent point. In this particular case, my graphics
are usually made in Inkscape anyway, so unless Inkscape changes one
heck of a lot, there should be no problem.

Postscript is huge, and my experience is that it makes the finished PDF
huge too. I'll see whether including an SVG results in a materially
different result, visually or byteswise, than a PDF.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:

 I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
 Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

 dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 

However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better choice and
works with LyX like a charm.

Alternatively, you can use the external inset (InsertFileExternal ...)
to insert the dia file itself (with internal conversion by LyX).


 Inkscape
 uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
 Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.


Günter

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Depends on what you need. Some that haven't been mentioned yet:

- yEd www.yworks.com
- sK1 sk1project.org
- Xara www.xaraxtreme.org
- On MacOS X: Omnigraffle, of course

Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
free open-source-)software.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
 free open-source-)software.

I like alternativeTo for this. :)

Liviu

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is 
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb

 -Original Message-
 From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
 Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
 To: Wolfgang Keller
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
 wrote:
  Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
  free open-source-)software.
 
 I like alternativeTo for this. :)
 
 Liviu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:35:55 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
 On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
  Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
 
  dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 
 
 However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
 Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better
 choice and works with LyX like a charm.


Hi Günter,

How about SVG? Lately I've been putting SVG into LyX documents, and SVG
is vector. But I've gotten the impression that LyX incorporates an SVG
image by converting it to a vector graphic.

I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
vector graphics, please let me know.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi WIlliam,

Ipe's logic is somewhat peculiar, but very powerful when you get used to
it. I have also observed that it generates very small and clean pdf files.

Jpicedt is very powerful if you use with the option PSTricks (in the Menu
Edit/Format). Then you get access to the full potential of Postscript (for
the shape fills for example). But, including PSTricks in a file to be
compiled with pdflatex is rather tricky (but perfectly possible otherwise,
there are web pages explaining how to proceed), so you will rather prefer
the chain Latex-DVI-Postscript-PDF. You also need a JRE to execute it,
since it is Java program.

The advantage of these two programs is the possibility of directly typing
latex command in text boxes (including math), and the coherence you get in
terms of typesetting between the rest of your text and your graphics.

Tikz can also provide such a coherence but the learning cost is higher I
think.

Inkscape has also a plugin (textext if I remember well) that provides this
possibility but I have never been able to make it work under OSX, even
using Macports.

2012/7/17 William R. Buckley bill.buck...@gmail.com

 Thank you all for the list of tools.

 As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
 a bit clunky.

 Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

 wrb

  -Original Message-
  From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
  Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
  To: Wolfgang Keller
  Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
  On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
  wrote:
   Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
   free open-source-)software.
  
  I like alternativeTo for this. :)
 
  Liviu




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Les Denham]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb
 

One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
(http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).

I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
has native support from LyX. Look at
http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
for  examples of what can be done.

Les

RE: Graphics Tools

[Scott Kostyshak]

From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM

I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
vector graphics, please let me know.

Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences  File Formats, you will 
see your converters. I have SVG - EPS, SVG - PDF, and SVG - PNG. EPS and PDF 
are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't have inkscape installed (which is 
what is doing the conversions for me and which is searched for by LyX's 
configure), then your convertor can only convert to a raster format.

Scott

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I limited my  suggestions to drawing programs. For plotting like Grace, we
have a lot of choices.

I now only use R-Project with ggplot2 for plotting data and Sage for
plotting functions (and other mathematical computations), but I was a Maple
user.


2012/7/17 Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org

 On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
 William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:

  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
  wrb
 

 One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
 (http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).

 I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
 has native support from LyX. Look at
 http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
 for  examples of what can be done.

 Les




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:53:53 +, Scott Kostyshak said:
 From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM
 
 I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
 are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
 of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
 vector graphics, please let me know.
 
 Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences  File Formats,
 you will see your converters. I have SVG - EPS, SVG - PDF, and SVG
 - PNG. EPS and PDF are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't
 have inkscape installed (which is what is doing the conversions for
 me and which is searched for by LyX's configure), then your convertor
 can only convert to a raster format.
 
 Scott

Hi Scott,

You're right!

I looked in /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/, and found lots of SVG's that had
been converted to .pdf. A look in file /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/index
showed the conversions, and it appears that all my SVG's  were
converted to both .pdfs and .eps's. IMHO .pdf is smaller and better
than .eps, and I'm not sure why it made both, or which is used.
Sometimes I use ps2pdf, and sometimes I use pdflatex, and probably that
is why it converts both way.

You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
graphics with LyX.

Thanks for helping me understand this.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
 graphics with LyX.

The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion svg-pdf(/eps)
doesn't work well and you are dependent on external tools (either inkscape
or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment and screw up your document
as their version changes.

From longterm  stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better idea
for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).

Pavel

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:26:37 +0200, Pavel Sanda said:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
  graphics with LyX.
 
 The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion
 svg-pdf(/eps) doesn't work well and you are dependent on external
 tools (either inkscape or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment
 and screw up your document as their version changes.
 
 From longterm  stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better
 idea for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).
 
 Pavel


Hi Pavel,

You bring up an excellent point. In this particular case, my graphics
are usually made in Inkscape anyway, so unless Inkscape changes one
heck of a lot, there should be no problem.

Postscript is huge, and my experience is that it makes the finished PDF
huge too. I'll see whether including an SVG results in a materially
different result, visually or byteswise, than a PDF.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:

> I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
> Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

> dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 

However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better choice and
works with LyX like a charm.

Alternatively, you can use the external inset (Insert>File>External ...)
to insert the dia file itself (with internal conversion by LyX).


> Inkscape
> uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
> Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.


Günter

Re: Graphics Tools

[Wolfgang Keller]

> Can you please make a few suggestions.

Depends on what you need. Some that haven't been mentioned yet:

- yEd www.yworks.com
- sK1 sk1project.org
- Xara www.xaraxtreme.org
- On MacOS X: Omnigraffle, of course

Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
free open-source-)software.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Graphics Tools

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
> Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
> free open-source-)software.
>
I like alternativeTo for this. :)

Liviu

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you all for the list of tools.

As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is 
a bit clunky.

Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.

wrb

> -Original Message-
> From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
> To: Wolfgang Keller
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
> 
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller <felip...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> > Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
> > free open-source-)software.
> >
> I like alternativeTo for this. :)
> 
> Liviu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:35:55 + (UTC), Guenter Milde said:
> On 2012-07-16, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> > I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
> > Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
> 
> > dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. 
> 
> However, this means exporting a vector drawing to a raster bitmap.
> Dia can also export to PDF and/or Postscript, which is the better
> choice and works with LyX like a charm.


Hi Günter,

How about SVG? Lately I've been putting SVG into LyX documents, and SVG
is vector. But I've gotten the impression that LyX incorporates an SVG
image by converting it to a vector graphic.

I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
vector graphics, please let me know.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi WIlliam,

Ipe's logic is somewhat peculiar, but very powerful when you get used to
it. I have also observed that it generates very small and clean pdf files.

Jpicedt is very powerful if you use with the option PSTricks (in the Menu
Edit/Format). Then you get access to the full potential of Postscript (for
the shape fills for example). But, including PSTricks in a file to be
compiled with pdflatex is rather tricky (but perfectly possible otherwise,
there are web pages explaining how to proceed), so you will rather prefer
the chain Latex->DVI->Postscript-PDF. You also need a JRE to execute it,
since it is Java program.

The advantage of these two programs is the possibility of directly typing
latex command in text boxes (including math), and the coherence you get in
terms of typesetting between the rest of your text and your graphics.

Tikz can also provide such a coherence but the learning cost is higher I
think.

Inkscape has also a plugin (textext if I remember well) that provides this
possibility but I have never been able to make it work under OSX, even
using Macports.

2012/7/17 William R. Buckley <bill.buck...@gmail.com>

> Thank you all for the list of tools.
>
> As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is
> a bit clunky.
>
> Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each.
>
> wrb
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> > Behalf Of Liviu Andronic
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM
> > To: Wolfgang Keller
> > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller <felip...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially
> > > free open-source-)software.
> > >
> > I like alternativeTo for this. :)
> >
> > Liviu
>
>


-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Les Denham]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
"William R. Buckley"  wrote:

> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> 
> Can you please make a few suggestions.
> 
> wrb
> 

One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
(http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).

I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
has native support from LyX. Look at
http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
for  examples of what can be done.

Les

RE: Graphics Tools

[Scott Kostyshak]

From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM

>I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
>are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
>of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
>vector graphics, please let me know.

Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences > File Formats, you will 
see your converters. I have SVG -> EPS, SVG -> PDF, and SVG -> PNG. EPS and PDF 
are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't have inkscape installed (which is 
what is doing the conversions for me and which is searched for by LyX's 
configure), then your convertor can only convert to a raster format.

Scott

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I limited my  suggestions to drawing programs. For plotting like Grace, we
have a lot of choices.

I now only use R-Project with ggplot2 for plotting data and Sage for
plotting functions (and other mathematical computations), but I was a Maple
user.


2012/7/17 Les Denham 

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700
> "William R. Buckley"  wrote:
>
> > Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> > include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> > to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> > employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> >
> > Can you please make a few suggestions.
> >
> > wrb
> >
>
> One tool I haven't seem mentioned is Grace
> (http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/).
>
> I've found this a very versatile program, and (on Linux at least) it
> has native support from LyX. Look at
> http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/gallery/
> for  examples of what can be done.
>
> Les
>



-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:53:53 +, Scott Kostyshak said:
> From: Steve Litt [sl...@troubleshooters.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:23 PM
> 
> >I'd **LOVE** for LyX to use SVG images as vector graphics. SVG images
> >are standard, and very small byteswize, and they're the native format
> >of Inkscape. If anyone knows a way to get LyX to use SVG images as
> >vector graphics, please let me know.
> 
> Doesn't LyX already do this? If you go to Preferences > File Formats,
> you will see your converters. I have SVG -> EPS, SVG -> PDF, and SVG
> -> PNG. EPS and PDF are both vector formats. Perhaps if you don't
> have inkscape installed (which is what is doing the conversions for
> me and which is searched for by LyX's configure), then your convertor
> can only convert to a raster format.
> 
> Scott

Hi Scott,

You're right!

I looked in /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/, and found lots of SVG's that had
been converted to .pdf. A look in file /home/slitt/.lyx/cache/index
showed the conversions, and it appears that all my SVG's  were
converted to both .pdfs and .eps's. IMHO .pdf is smaller and better
than .eps, and I'm not sure why it made both, or which is used.
Sometimes I use ps2pdf, and sometimes I use pdflatex, and probably that
is why it converts both way.

You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
graphics with LyX.

Thanks for helping me understand this.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
> You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
> graphics with LyX.

The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion svg->pdf(/eps)
doesn't work well and you are dependent on external tools (either inkscape
or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment and screw up your document
as their version changes.

>From longterm & stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better idea
for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).

Pavel

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:26:37 +0200, Pavel Sanda said:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > You've convinced me that, whenever humanly possible, I'll use .svg
> > graphics with LyX.
> 
> The bad news is that there are cases when the conversion
> svg->pdf(/eps) doesn't work well and you are dependent on external
> tools (either inkscape or rsvg-convert) which can change any moment
> and screw up your document as their version changes.
> 
> From longterm & stability view postscript or pdf seems to be better
> idea for storing vector graphic (as far as LyX usage is concerned).
> 
> Pavel


Hi Pavel,

You bring up an excellent point. In this particular case, my graphics
are usually made in Inkscape anyway, so unless Inkscape changes one
heck of a lot, there should be no problem.

Postscript is huge, and my experience is that it makes the finished PDF
huge too. I'll see whether including an SVG results in a materially
different result, visually or byteswise, than a PDF.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

Can you please make a few suggestions.

wrb

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hello,

My preferred solutions are:

For a graphical interface based solution:

- Ipe can export to EPS and PDF - http://*ipe*7.sourceforge.net/  (possible
to install it in different OSs)  Ipe has a somewhat strange interface, but
it is very powerfil, when you grok it.

- JpicEdt can export to PSTRicks - http://jpicedt.sourceforge.net  (Java,
so it is compatible with your OS)  Works as it is supposed, but not really
updated anymore, I am afraid, but it is in Java, so remains perfectly
compatible.

For drawing pictures by code:

- Tikz (included in your distribution as a Latex package):
http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/ : more complex to master, but the
pure Latex solution, extremely powerful.

On OSX, I also like to use EazyDraw + LatexIt for the inclusion of the
texts and equations in the graphics.

I hope this helps.

Murat


2012/7/16 William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

 wrb




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Ray Rashif]

On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb

I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.

HTH

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you Steve and Murat.

My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
to work in that environment.

Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
obvious path.

I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
so some time to review will be necessary.

I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.

I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like

 00 RX  001000 LDR  10 SR


What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
hard to see.

When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.

Thanks.

wrb

 -Original Message-
 From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Litt
 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
 On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
  wrb
 
 I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
 Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
 
 dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
 uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
 Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
 
 HTH
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
 Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

Check this out:

Dia for Windows: http://www.users.qwest.net/~oldiesloon/wls062664.htm

Inkscape for Windows:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.48.3.1/

Gimp for Windows: http://www.gimp.org/windows/

What's cool is all three are free software, so you can try them, full
power, as long as you like, and if you don't like them, all you've lost
is the bandwidth of downloading the installer.

HTH

SteveT


On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:24:49 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
 Thank you Steve and Murat.
 
 My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
 to work in that environment.
 
 Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
 an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
 obvious path.
 
 I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
 Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
 so some time to review will be necessary.
 
 I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
 not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
 the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.
 
 I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
 is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
 separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
 define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like
 
  00 RX001000 LDR  10 SR
 
 
 What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
 and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
 hard to see.
 
 When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.
 
 Thanks.
 
 wrb
 
  -Original Message-
  From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
  Behalf Of Steve Litt
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
  To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
  Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
  
  On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
   Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
   include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for
   figures to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the
   toolset usually employed for use to make drawn images suitable
   for use with TeX.
  
   Can you please make a few suggestions.
  
   wrb
  
  I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
  Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
  
  dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
  uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
  Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
  
  HTH
  
  SteveT
  
  Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
*  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
  Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
 

Re: Graphics Tools

[Phil]

Try LatexDraw

Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from that.  
Insert in your LyX file.





 From: Ray Rashif schivmeis...@gmail.com
To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

What do you need to do to use pstricks code inside your LyX file?

SteveT

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Phil said:
 Try LatexDraw
 
 Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from
 that.  Insert in your LyX file.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Ray Rashif schivmeis...@gmail.com
 To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
  
 On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
 if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
 long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
 use a separate program to draw and create an image file).

Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

Can you please make a few suggestions.

wrb

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hello,

My preferred solutions are:

For a graphical interface based solution:

- Ipe can export to EPS and PDF - http://*ipe*7.sourceforge.net/  (possible
to install it in different OSs)  Ipe has a somewhat strange interface, but
it is very powerfil, when you grok it.

- JpicEdt can export to PSTRicks - http://jpicedt.sourceforge.net  (Java,
so it is compatible with your OS)  Works as it is supposed, but not really
updated anymore, I am afraid, but it is in Java, so remains perfectly
compatible.

For drawing pictures by code:

- Tikz (included in your distribution as a Latex package):
http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/ : more complex to master, but the
pure Latex solution, extremely powerful.

On OSX, I also like to use EazyDraw + LatexIt for the inclusion of the
texts and equations in the graphics.

I hope this helps.

Murat


2012/7/16 William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com

 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

 wrb




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

Bureau : E-331

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Graphics Tools

[Ray Rashif]

On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
 Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 wrb

I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.

HTH

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you Steve and Murat.

My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
to work in that environment.

Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
obvious path.

I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
so some time to review will be necessary.

I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.

I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like

 00 RX  001000 LDR  10 SR


What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
hard to see.

When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.

Thanks.

wrb

 -Original Message-
 From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Litt
 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
 On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
  wrb
 
 I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
 Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
 
 dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
 uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
 Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
 
 HTH
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
 Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

Check this out:

Dia for Windows: http://www.users.qwest.net/~oldiesloon/wls062664.htm

Inkscape for Windows:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.48.3.1/

Gimp for Windows: http://www.gimp.org/windows/

What's cool is all three are free software, so you can try them, full
power, as long as you like, and if you don't like them, all you've lost
is the bandwidth of downloading the installer.

HTH

SteveT


On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:24:49 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
 Thank you Steve and Murat.
 
 My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
 to work in that environment.
 
 Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
 an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
 obvious path.
 
 I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
 Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
 so some time to review will be necessary.
 
 I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
 not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
 the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.
 
 I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
 is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
 separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
 define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like
 
  00 RX001000 LDR  10 SR
 
 
 What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
 and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
 hard to see.
 
 When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.
 
 Thanks.
 
 wrb
 
  -Original Message-
  From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
  Behalf Of Steve Litt
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
  To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
  Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
  Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
  
  On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
   Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
   include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for
   figures to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the
   toolset usually employed for use to make drawn images suitable
   for use with TeX.
  
   Can you please make a few suggestions.
  
   wrb
  
  I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
  Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
  
  dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
  uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
  Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
  
  HTH
  
  SteveT
  
  Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
*  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
  Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
 

Re: Graphics Tools

[Phil]

Try LatexDraw

Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from that.  
Insert in your LyX file.





 From: Ray Rashif schivmeis...@gmail.com
To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
 Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
 include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
 to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
 employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

 Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

What do you need to do to use pstricks code inside your LyX file?

SteveT

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Phil said:
 Try LatexDraw
 
 Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from
 that.  Insert in your LyX file.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Ray Rashif schivmeis...@gmail.com
 To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
  
 On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley w...@wrbuckley.com wrote:
  Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
  include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
  to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
  employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
 
  Can you please make a few suggestions.
 
 Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
 if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
 long as you don't think integrated drawing, you're good to go (i.e.
 use a separate program to draw and create an image file).

Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.

Can you please make a few suggestions.

wrb

Re: Graphics Tools

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hello,

My preferred solutions are:

For a graphical interface based solution:

- Ipe can export to EPS and PDF - http://*ipe*7.sourceforge.net/  (possible
to install it in different OSs)  Ipe has a somewhat strange interface, but
it is very powerfil, when you grok it.

- JpicEdt can export to PSTRicks - http://jpicedt.sourceforge.net  (Java,
so it is compatible with your OS)  Works as it is supposed, but not really
updated anymore, I am afraid, but it is in Java, so remains perfectly
compatible.

For drawing pictures by code:

- Tikz (included in your distribution as a Latex package):
http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/ : more complex to master, but the
pure Latex solution, extremely powerful.

On OSX, I also like to use EazyDraw + LatexIt for the inclusion of the
texts and equations in the graphics.

I hope this helps.

Murat


2012/7/16 William R. Buckley 

> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
>
> Can you please make a few suggestions.
>
> wrb
>
>


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Re: Graphics Tools

[Ray Rashif]

On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley  wrote:
> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
>
> Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think "integrated drawing", you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to 
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures 
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually 
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> 
> Can you please make a few suggestions.
> 
> wrb

I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.

dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.

HTH

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

RE: Graphics Tools

[William R. Buckley]

Thank you Steve and Murat.

My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
to work in that environment.

Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
obvious path.

I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
so some time to review will be necessary.

I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.

I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like

 00 RX  001000 LDR  10 SR


What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
hard to see.

When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.

Thanks.

wrb

> -Original Message-
> From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Litt
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
> Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
> 
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
> > Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> > include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> > to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> > employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> >
> > Can you please make a few suggestions.
> >
> > wrb
> 
> I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
> Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
> 
> dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
> uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
> Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
> 
> HTH
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
>   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

Check this out:

Dia for Windows: http://www.users.qwest.net/~oldiesloon/wls062664.htm

Inkscape for Windows:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.48.3.1/

Gimp for Windows: http://www.gimp.org/windows/

What's cool is all three are free software, so you can try them, full
power, as long as you like, and if you don't like them, all you've lost
is the bandwidth of downloading the installer.

HTH

SteveT


On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:24:49 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
> Thank you Steve and Murat.
> 
> My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have 
> to work in that environment.
> 
> Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now 
> an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the 
> obvious path.
> 
> I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from 
> Adobe might work.  I am not so familiar with these tools, however, 
> so some time to review will be necessary.
> 
> I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator 
> not to work.  In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm} 
> the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.
> 
> I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column 
> is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each 
> separated by some significant space.  These three sets of two columns 
> define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic.  So, it would look like
> 
>  00 RX001000 LDR  10 SR
> 
> 
> What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left 
> and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even 
> hard to see.
> 
> When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> wrb
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Litt
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
> > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
> > Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
> > 
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
> > > Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> > > include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for
> > > figures to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the
> > > toolset usually employed for use to make drawn images suitable
> > > for use with TeX.
> > >
> > > Can you please make a few suggestions.
> > >
> > > wrb
> > 
> > I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
> > Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
> > 
> > dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
> > uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
> > Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > SteveT
> > 
> > Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
> >   *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> > Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
> 

Re: Graphics Tools

[Phil]

Try LatexDraw

Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from that.  
Insert in your LyX file.





 From: Ray Rashif <schivmeis...@gmail.com>
To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
 
On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley <w...@wrbuckley.com> wrote:
> Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
>
> Can you please make a few suggestions.

Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
long as you don't think "integrated drawing", you're good to go (i.e.
use a separate program to draw and create an image file).


--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1

Re: Graphics Tools

[Steve Litt]

What do you need to do to use pstricks code inside your LyX file?

SteveT

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Phil said:
> Try LatexDraw
> 
> Make your drawings with LatexDraw and capture the pstricks code from
> that.  Insert in your LyX file.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ray Rashif <schivmeis...@gmail.com>
> To: w...@wrbuckley.com 
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
>  
> On 16 July 2012 23:44, William R. Buckley <w...@wrbuckley.com> wrote:
> > Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> > include much support for abstract drawing.  I have need for figures
> > to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> > employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> >
> > Can you please make a few suggestions.
> 
> Virtually any kind of image would work, because you can convert around
> if anything does not. I have PDF, JPEG and PNG images / drawings. As
> long as you don't think "integrated drawing", you're good to go (i.e.
> use a separate program to draw and create an image file).