Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations [SOLVED]

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 15:38, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 15:13 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:

Now I notice that you can't have a footnote citation with a whole
bibliography post AND use qualified citation lists. If I change the
citation style it works.


Right, there is no \footfullcites command in biblatex.


I'm sorry, I am writing an article to a historical magazine that
demands
all the sources to be in footnotes with the first mentioning of the
source containing the bibliography of this source in whole. I got
greedy
and tried to accomplish too much. It's easier to cite in
anthropological
texts :)


The way to do this is to use a style that supports this, e.g. biblatex-
chicago, biblatex-dw or biblatex-historian. These styles automatically
give the full reference at first mention, and they automatically use
footnotes.

Jürgen


Ok. Thank you for this. I will look into these.

Best
Niklas

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations [SOLVED]

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 15:13 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> Now I notice that you can't have a footnote citation with a whole 
> bibliography post AND use qualified citation lists. If I change the 
> citation style it works.

Right, there is no \footfullcites command in biblatex.

> I'm sorry, I am writing an article to a historical magazine that
> demands 
> all the sources to be in footnotes with the first mentioning of the 
> source containing the bibliography of this source in whole. I got
> greedy 
> and tried to accomplish too much. It's easier to cite in
> anthropological 
> texts :)

The way to do this is to use a style that supports this, e.g. biblatex-
chicago, biblatex-dw or biblatex-historian. These styles automatically
give the full reference at first mention, and they automatically use
footnotes.

Jürgen


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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations [SOLVED]

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 14:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 14:47 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:

So you can insert individual "before and after" text in Lyx:s
Citation
manager?


Yes.


Well. as I said this is a completely new file. I certainly didn't put
it
there manually. Mysterious!


This is at least the reason it does not work in that file.

Jürgen

Ok, I deleted the "Input ../citeengines/basic.citeengine" and this file 
indeed now works as excpected. Still, my old file never had that Input, 
and it still does not work.


but

Now I notice that you can't have a footnote citation with a whole 
bibliography post AND use qualified citation lists. If I change the 
citation style it works.


I'm sorry, I am writing an article to a historical magazine that demands 
all the sources to be in footnotes with the first mentioning of the 
source containing the bibliography of this source in whole. I got greedy 
and tried to accomplish too much. It's easier to cite in anthropological 
texts :)


Thank you all for your efforts!

Niklas

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:52 +0200 schrieb Axel Dessecker:
> True or not, it works under 2.3.3.

But only at a very basic level. And certainly not with qualified
citation lists (what Niklas needs).

Jürgen


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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Axel Dessecker]

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 13:47:27 CEST schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:29 +0200 schrieb Axel Dessecker:
> > our testciting file
> > just needed some fine-tuning. You have to load the biblatex-citation-
> > styles
> > module, hide the references in the end of your text, add
> > \printbibliography as
> > ERT, and add some stuff to the preamble.
> 
> This is no longer true as of LyX 2.3.0.
> 
> Jürgen

True or not, it works under 2.3.3.

Axel

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 14:47 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> So you can insert individual "before and after" text in Lyx:s
> Citation 
> manager?

Yes.

> Well. as I said this is a completely new file. I certainly didn't put
> it 
> there manually. Mysterious!

This is at least the reason it does not work in that file.

Jürgen


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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:29 +0200 schrieb Axel Dessecker:
> our testciting file 
> just needed some fine-tuning. You have to load the biblatex-citation-
> styles 
> module, hide the references in the end of your text, add
> \printbibliography as 
> ERT, and add some stuff to the preamble.

This is no longer true as of LyX 2.3.0.

Jürgen


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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 14:25, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:30 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:

Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file.


This works for me as expected.


So you can insert individual "before and after" text in Lyx:s Citation 
manager? If you can, my configuration has to be messed up.

,

Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any
Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set
options.


You have

Input ../citeengines/basic.citeengine

in Document > Settings > Local Layout.

Why?


Well. as I said this is a completely new file. I certainly didn't put it 
there manually. Mysterious!


Thank you
Niklas


Jürgen

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 14:29, Axel Dessecker wrote:

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:55:32 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:

On 9.8.2019 13:43, Axel Dessecker wrote:

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:30:10 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:

On 9.8.2019 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén mailto:nhul...@abo.fi>>:
  Hi everyone!
  
  I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in

  individual
  citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
  It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
  I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
  alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
  either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation
  style I
  use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140
  on
  Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX
  and
  reconfigured LyX.

Please send a minimal example document.

Jürgen


Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file.
Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any
Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set
options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on my
Mac at home.

All the best!
Niklas


  best regards,
  Niklas


Niklas,

The testciting.lyx file just complains for not finding articles.bib, which
you didn't include in your message. So does the short text from your
original file. Are you sure you have the correct combination of biblatex
and biber versions?

Axel


Sorry, the articles.bib is included in my MicTex installation. I send it
as an attachment also.

Regards
Niklas



Thank you. Sorry, no MikTeX around here, only texlive. Your testciting file
just needed some fine-tuning. You have to load the biblatex-citation-styles
module, hide the references in the end of your text, add \printbibliography as
ERT, and add some stuff to the preamble. What I used here comes from a recent
paper I wrote, which was in German and followed the APA style. But this is of
course highly configurable.

Axel
Ok, that is how I used to configure files. I was under the impression 
that Lyx 2.3.3 should cope with Biblatex straight out of packet :) Can 
you use individual texts for multiple sources in LyXs Citation manager 
this way? I don't have the "biblatex-citation-styles module any more


Thanks
Niklas

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Axel Dessecker]

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:55:32 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> On 9.8.2019 13:43, Axel Dessecker wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:30:10 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> >> On 9.8.2019 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> >>> Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén  >>> 
> >>> >:
> >>>  Hi everyone!
> >>>  
> >>>  I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in
> >>>  individual
> >>>  citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
> >>>  It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
> >>>  I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
> >>>  alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
> >>>  either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation
> >>>  style I
> >>>  use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140
> >>>  on
> >>>  Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX
> >>>  and
> >>>  reconfigured LyX.
> >>> 
> >>> Please send a minimal example document.
> >>> 
> >>> Jürgen
> >> 
> >> Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file.
> >> Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any
> >> Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set
> >> options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on my
> >> Mac at home.
> >> 
> >> All the best!
> >> Niklas
> >> 
> >>>  best regards,
> >>>  Niklas
> > 
> > Niklas,
> > 
> > The testciting.lyx file just complains for not finding articles.bib, which
> > you didn't include in your message. So does the short text from your
> > original file. Are you sure you have the correct combination of biblatex
> > and biber versions?
> > 
> > Axel
> 
> Sorry, the articles.bib is included in my MicTex installation. I send it
> as an attachment also.
> 
> Regards
> Niklas


Thank you. Sorry, no MikTeX around here, only texlive. Your testciting file 
just needed some fine-tuning. You have to load the biblatex-citation-styles 
module, hide the references in the end of your text, add \printbibliography as 
ERT, and add some stuff to the preamble. What I used here comes from a recent 
paper I wrote, which was in German and followed the APA style. But this is of 
course highly configurable.

Axel



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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:30 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file. 

This works for me as expected.

> Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any 
> Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set 
> options. 

You have

Input ../citeengines/basic.citeengine

in Document > Settings > Local Layout.

Why?

Jürgen



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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 13:43, Axel Dessecker wrote:

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:30:10 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:

On 9.8.2019 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén mailto:nhul...@abo.fi>>:
 Hi everyone!
 
 I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in individual

 citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
 It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
 I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
 alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
 either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation
 style I
 use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140 on
 Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX and
 reconfigured LyX.

Please send a minimal example document.

Jürgen


Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file.
Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any
Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set
options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on my
Mac at home.

All the best!
Niklas


 best regards,
 Niklas


Niklas,

The testciting.lyx file just complains for not finding articles.bib, which you
didn't include in your message. So does the short text from your original
file. Are you sure you have the correct combination of biblatex and biber
versions?

Axel

Sorry, the articles.bib is included in my MicTex installation. I send it 
as an attachment also.


Regards
Niklas










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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag, den 09.08.2019, 13:30 +0300 schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file. 
> Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any 
> Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set 
> options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on
> my 
> Mac at home.

Please also send the bib file.

Jürgen


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Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Axel Dessecker]

Am Freitag, 9. August 2019, 12:30:10 CEST schrieb Niklas Huldén:
> On 9.8.2019 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén  > 
> > >:
> > Hi everyone!
> > 
> > I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in individual
> > citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
> > It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
> > I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
> > alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
> > either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation
> > style I
> > use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140 on
> > Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX and
> > reconfigured LyX.
> > 
> > Please send a minimal example document.
> > 
> > Jürgen
> 
> Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file.
> Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any
> Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set
> options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on my
> Mac at home.
> 
> All the best!
> Niklas
> 
> > best regards,
> > Niklas

Niklas,

The testciting.lyx file just complains for not finding articles.bib, which you 
didn't include in your message. So does the short text from your original 
file. Are you sure you have the correct combination of biblatex and biber 
versions?

Axel

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Niklas Huldén]

On 9.8.2019 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén >:


Hi everyone!

I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in individual
citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation
style I
use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140 on
Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX and
reconfigured LyX.


Please send a minimal example document.

Jürgen


Ok, here comes two. "ShorttextNH.lyx" is made from my original file. 
Textciting.lyx is a new file that acts even weirder. I cant use any 
Citation styles and it crashes LyX quite regularly trying to set 
options. My installations might be out of order. Will try myself on my 
Mac at home.


All the best!
Niklas


best regards,
Niklas





shorttextNH.lyx
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testciting.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Fr., 9. Aug. 2019 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Niklas Huldén :

> Hi everyone!
>
> I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in individual
> citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.
> It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
> I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after"
> alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after"
> either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation style I
> use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140 on
> Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX and
> reconfigured LyX.
>

Please send a minimal example document.

Jürgen


>
> best regards,
> Niklas
>
>

No possibility for text before or after etc in biblatex citations

[Niklas Huldén]

Hi everyone!

I noticed that I can't use the options for editing text in individual 
citations in the Lyx citation manager using biblatex.

It is described here https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX23#biblatex.
I do not get any of the individual "text before" or "text after" 
alternatives shown in the wiki. No "General text before or after" 
either. Makes no difference which bibliography style or citation style I 
use. Biblatex with biber. I'm using LyX 2.3.3 and MiKTeX: 2.9.7140 on 
Windows 10 Enterprise, 64-bit, build 17134. I have updated MikTeX and 
reconfigured LyX.


best regards,
Niklas