Re: Aw: Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am Sonntag 02 Juni 2013, 14:47:07 schrieb Lukas Zoller:
> Dear Jürgen. I hope its ok that I contact you directly.
Please always use (or at least CC: the lyx-users list, so others can
participate as well).
> Your expampe is exactly what I want. I was able to make the quatations in
> the text of my document like in your example. I also changed the entries in
> my bibliography, so they seem to be like in your expample. But when I want
> to make a pdf, there is an error message (see attachment).
> I attached the biblography so perhaps you can see what the problem is, if
> you like to.
There were several problems in your file:
* You had "Indent paragraph" unchecked for the bibliography. This does not
work (and generates the error). [this is a known LyX bug]
* You need to select "Natbib" in Document > Settings > Bibliography
* You need at least one citation in your document in order to get Natbib
loaded automatically. If you do not want that, you have to enter
\usepackage{natbib}
in Document > Settings > Preamble
The reason is that LyX only loads the natbib package when you actually cite
something.
See the attached corrected example, where I also demonstrate how to adjust the
indendation and vertical space in the bibliography.
HTH
Jürgen
> Thanks and regards, Lukas
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Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
On 1 June 2013 22:14, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > I did but maybe I completely misunderstood the task. In your example the > bib > > entry has the key "bratmann" and the label is "Bratmann(1999)". In the > > footnote you referenced it via the label. I understand it so that the > user > > don't want to have a label because I already proposed the author-year > style > > you used. I'll be quiet now. > > Huh? But this is only the technical ID of the label. In the output, it > will be > "Bratmann (1999)" in the citation and it will not ppear at all in the > bibliography. You refered to [Bra99] which is not author-year style, but > alphanumeric. > > Maybe the OP should export our example to PDF, then he'll see that this is > exactly what he wants. > I finally see what could be confusing OP. Using author-year would not work without adding in a label, and a label with the correct formatting: Author(YEAR) Attached two files to demonstrate what OP wants and what he needs (I hope), which is basically what Jürgen posted. -- GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1 WrongUsage.lyx Description: Binary data CorrectUsage.lyx Description: Binary data
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I did but maybe I completely misunderstood the task. In your example the bib > entry has the key "bratmann" and the label is "Bratmann(1999)". In the > footnote you referenced it via the label. I understand it so that the user > don't want to have a label because I already proposed the author-year style > you used. I'll be quiet now. Huh? But this is only the technical ID of the label. In the output, it will be "Bratmann (1999)" in the citation and it will not ppear at all in the bibliography. You refered to [Bra99] which is not author-year style, but alphanumeric. Maybe the OP should export our example to PDF, then he'll see that this is exactly what he wants. Jürgen > regards Uwe
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
On 1 June 2013 22:02, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Ray Rashif wrote:
> > OK so it's like this:
> >
> >
> > Those using LaTeX are more productive than their traditional
> counterparts.¹
> >
> > ---
> > ¹ John, 1999
> >
> > ...
> >
> > References
> > -
> > John, D. (1999). Proceedings of the ...
> >
> >
> > If so, I've seen this in quite a few organisational publications, though
> > they use per-chapter bibliography.
>
> Well, sure, this is completely common in the humanities. This is the usual
> author-year ("harvard") style which you can produce with natbib, jurabib or
> biblatex. I do not understand what should be so special about it.
>
> Jürgen
>
Ahh, then I got it all wrong. But I guess you guys know what he's talking
about more or less. I think he just wants to cite in his chosen style and
enter bibliography items manually at the end of the document. But I still
don't get why the "label" should be a problem since it's internal to LyX --
he can choose to ignore it since it won't show up in the output.
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Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 01.06.2013 15:55, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: Uwe Stöhr wrote: The user wants to use LyX's bibliography environment to create the list of references, but he don't like that this way every reference gets a label (not [1] and not [Ar1999] or whatever). And he does not get this with my proposal. Didn't you try it? I did but maybe I completely misunderstood the task. In your example the bib entry has the key "bratmann" and the label is "Bratmann(1999)". In the footnote you referenced it via the label. I understand it so that the user don't want to have a label because I already proposed the author-year style you used. I'll be quiet now. regards Uwe
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Ray Rashif wrote:
> OK so it's like this:
>
>
> Those using LaTeX are more productive than their traditional counterparts.¹
>
> ---
> ¹ John, 1999
>
> ...
>
> References
> -
> John, D. (1999). Proceedings of the ...
>
>
> If so, I've seen this in quite a few organisational publications, though
> they use per-chapter bibliography.
Well, sure, this is completely common in the humanities. This is the usual
author-year ("harvard") style which you can produce with natbib, jurabib or
biblatex. I do not understand what should be so special about it.
Jürgen
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
On 1 June 2013 21:45, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 01.06.2013 15:41, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: > > > Maybe I got it completely wrong, but don't you just want to use >> author-year, >> i.e. "harvard" style (via Natbib or BibLaTeX), which works with and >> without >> BibTeX? See attached for a simple natbib example. >> > > I already proposed this but the user wants to have _no_ label in the > bibliography list. The reason is that he wants to cite within a footnote. > At the end of the document he therefore wants to have only the list of > cites used in the document without a label. > (Personally I have never see such a citing style and therefore doubt that > this follows a common citing rule. > OK so it's like this: Those using LaTeX are more productive than their traditional counterparts.¹ --- ¹ John, 1999 ... References - John, D. (1999). Proceedings of the ... If so, I've seen this in quite a few organisational publications, though they use per-chapter bibliography. -- GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > The user wants to use LyX's bibliography environment to create the list of > references, but he don't like that this way every reference gets a label > (not [1] and not [Ar1999] or whatever). And he does not get this with my proposal. Didn't you try it? Jürgen
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 01.06.2013 15:52, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: I already proposed this but the user wants to have _no_ label in the bibliography list. The reason is that he wants to cite within a footnote. At the end of the document he therefore wants to have only the list of cites used in the document without a label. Well, I see no difference between his hand-typed reference entry of "Bratmann (1999)" and my bibliography-generated, except for the indetation, which can be adjusted. What do you mean with "no label"? You certainly need to give the authors names. The user wants to use LyX's bibliography environment to create the list of references, but he don't like that this way every reference gets a label (not [1] and not [Ar1999] or whatever). regards Uwe
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I already proposed this but the user wants to have _no_ label in the > bibliography list. The reason is that he wants to cite within a footnote. > At the end of the document he therefore wants to have only the list of > cites used in the document without a label. Well, I see no difference between his hand-typed reference entry of "Bratmann (1999)" and my bibliography-generated, except for the indetation, which can be adjusted. What do you mean with "no label"? You certainly need to give the authors names. Jürgen
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 01.06.2013 15:41, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: Maybe I got it completely wrong, but don't you just want to use author-year, i.e. "harvard" style (via Natbib or BibLaTeX), which works with and without BibTeX? See attached for a simple natbib example. I already proposed this but the user wants to have _no_ label in the bibliography list. The reason is that he wants to cite within a footnote. At the end of the document he therefore wants to have only the list of cites used in the document without a label. (Personally I have never see such a citing style and therefore doubt that this follows a common citing rule.) thanks and regards Uwe
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I understand what you want but there are some citing rules. LaTeX offers > ways to follow these citing rules. If you set up a new rule you have to > take care manually that everything is in place. I don't think that LaTeX > offers you some tools to do exactly what you want. I CCed an expert to this > mail who can perhaps tell you more about citing rules and if your way of > citing is OK and how can this be achieved. Maybe I got it completely wrong, but don't you just want to use author-year, i.e. "harvard" style (via Natbib or BibLaTeX), which works with and without BibTeX? See attached for a simple natbib example. Jürgen Citation problem.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 01.06.2013 12:46, schrieb Lukas Zoller: > I read sec. 4.2.2 in embedded objects but there wasn't an answer to my problem. > I don't want to have endnotes. > I read sec. 4.2.2 in embedded objects but there wasn't an answer to my problem. > I don't want to have endnotes. > If I quote something I make a footnote which is displayed on the same side like > the quotation. At the end of my document im listing all the used articles and > books and this list should look like a bibliography (see attachment). I understand what you want but there are some citing rules. LaTeX offers ways to follow these citing rules. If you set up a new rule you have to take care manually that everything is in place. I don't think that LaTeX offers you some tools to do exactly what you want. I CCed an expert to this mail who can perhaps tell you more about citing rules and if your way of citing is OK and how can this be achieved. regards Uwe Citation problem.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 31.05.2013 19:43, schrieb Lukas Zoller: If I have to quote something in the Text I make that with a footnote. In this footnote for example there is written: "Bratman (1999): S.35." So you want to have endnotes. (Note that endnotes are contrary to the citation norms.) To get endnotes, see sec. 4.2.2 of the EmbeddedObjects manual that you find in LyX's Help menu. Attached is a small example file. Unfortunately I don't know what you mean with your last sentence. I meant that you can change they style of the label (from [1] to e.g. [Brat99]] but you must use a label (except of endnotes). regards Uwe Citation-example.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
From: Lukas Zoller To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:13:05 PM Subject: Reference list without numbers before the entries Hi I varied all the posibilities in: Document/Settings/Bibliography, but there was no different output. Furthermore I dont want to make my bibliography with BibTex, because i made quotations in the document about footnotes like in a word document. Lukas Zoller Can you explain what you are doing here? I don't understand why making quotations or using footnotes means that you cannot use BibTex
Re: Reference list without numbers before the entries
Am 30.05.2013 22:13, schrieb Lukas Zoller: I only want my bibliography without the numbers, like Aune, Bruce (1977): Reason and Action. Dordrecht. This is somewhat contrary to the idea of having a reference list. As the name implies, they are used as reference but without any label you cannot reference them and then they are quite useless. Take for example the case that you have a book in your list, how should the reader know that this book is the reference of a certain statement in your text? If you don't like numbers as label you can use years in combination of author codes, but you need to use a label. regards Uwe
Reference list without numbers before the entries
Hi Sorry to bother you with I suppose an easy solvable problem. However, I'm not capable to solve it. My reference list at the end of my document produces entries with numbers before them. Like "[1] Aune, Bruce (1977): Reason and Action. Dordrecht. [2] Bentham, Jeremy (1996): An introduction to the principles of morals and legislation. Oxford. [3] Bratman, Michael E. (1999): Intention, Plans, and Practical Reason. Stan- ford." I only want my bibliography without the numbers, like Aune, Bruce (1977): Reason and Action. Dordrecht. Bentham, Jeremy (1996): An introduction to the principles of morals and legislation. Oxford. Bratman, Michael E. (1999): Intention, Plans, and Practical Reason. Stan- ford. I varied all the posibilities in: Document/Settings/Bibliography, but there was no different output. Furthermore I dont want to make my bibliography with BibTex, because i made quotations in the document about footnotes like in a word document. I'm using LyX 2.0.6 with Windows XP. If there are some more parameters of my system which are required for a proper answer to my problem, let me know. I hope somebody is willing to help me and remain very grateful, Lukas Zoller
