Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-23 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Thanks for your reply. This doesn't quite address what I was after: 
almost, but not quite.


In case it's of use to others I'm going to explain what I wanted 
again, then how I have a sort-of solution, or more accurately a 
solution that raises another problem in it's place.


I was asking for a means to set up LyX so that whenever I type a 
single quote ('), the single quote would be treated as a smart 
quote, i.e. LyX would interpret it as an open or close quote as 
appropriate.


(I was not trying to set some key sequence to generate a smart single 
quote, I already knew how to do that--that's actually what I wanted 
to *stop* having to do, a key sequence is already set for generating 
a smart single quote by default. I was trying to get a single quote 
to be treated as a smart quote without having to remember to type a 
special key sequence.)


Furthermore, what I really wanted was to still get a straight 
quote, using a key sequence. The overall effect wanted was that of 
having a key sequence that might by default generate a smart quote, 
generate a straight quote and have the quote character default to a 
smart quote. This can be achieved with the double quotes; I was 
trying to achieve the same with a single quote.



If you try set ' to be the mapped key in the fashion BH 
describes, LyX will complain that:


   Shortcut `'' is already bound to:
   self-insert
   You need to remove that binding before creating a new one.

These self-insert bindings seem to be set in a file held within the 
application bundle, so strictly speaking this solution should be 
out of bounds to an end user. Ideally what would nice was a means to 
have ' act as a smart quote through the user interface, and 
hopefully in a way I will not have keep manually updating the binding 
each time I update LyX. This doesn't seem to be possible at present.


My eventual sort-of solution was to edit the latinkeys.bind file (in 
the 'bind' directory of the Resources section of the application), so 
that


   \bind quoteright self-insert

now reads:

   \bind quoteright quote-insert single

This certainly makes all single quotes appear as smart quotes, 
except now I can't find a way to map cmd-' (or whatever) to generate 
a straight quote, as it insists on generating a quote-insert 
single!


While I suspect there will be a solution to this somehow, this does 
suggest to me that the system for applying character mappings has 
some weaknesses.



Grant


On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs 
gjac...@bioinfotools.com wrote:


 Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the same way
 as is done for double quotes?


LyX  Preferences  Editing  Shortcuts

1. Enter quote in the Show key-bindings containing field
2. select quote-insert single
3. click the Modify button
4. click the Clear button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click OK
7. click Save

Bennett



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---
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gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
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Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-23 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Thanks for your reply. This doesn't quite address what I was after: 
almost, but not quite.


In case it's of use to others I'm going to explain what I wanted 
again, then how I have a sort-of solution, or more accurately a 
solution that raises another problem in it's place.


I was asking for a means to set up LyX so that whenever I type a 
single quote ('), the single quote would be treated as a smart 
quote, i.e. LyX would interpret it as an open or close quote as 
appropriate.


(I was not trying to set some key sequence to generate a smart single 
quote, I already knew how to do that--that's actually what I wanted 
to *stop* having to do, a key sequence is already set for generating 
a smart single quote by default. I was trying to get a single quote 
to be treated as a smart quote without having to remember to type a 
special key sequence.)


Furthermore, what I really wanted was to still get a straight 
quote, using a key sequence. The overall effect wanted was that of 
having a key sequence that might by default generate a smart quote, 
generate a straight quote and have the quote character default to a 
smart quote. This can be achieved with the double quotes; I was 
trying to achieve the same with a single quote.



If you try set ' to be the mapped key in the fashion BH 
describes, LyX will complain that:


   Shortcut `'' is already bound to:
   self-insert
   You need to remove that binding before creating a new one.

These self-insert bindings seem to be set in a file held within the 
application bundle, so strictly speaking this solution should be 
out of bounds to an end user. Ideally what would nice was a means to 
have ' act as a smart quote through the user interface, and 
hopefully in a way I will not have keep manually updating the binding 
each time I update LyX. This doesn't seem to be possible at present.


My eventual sort-of solution was to edit the latinkeys.bind file (in 
the 'bind' directory of the Resources section of the application), so 
that


   \bind quoteright self-insert

now reads:

   \bind quoteright quote-insert single

This certainly makes all single quotes appear as smart quotes, 
except now I can't find a way to map cmd-' (or whatever) to generate 
a straight quote, as it insists on generating a quote-insert 
single!


While I suspect there will be a solution to this somehow, this does 
suggest to me that the system for applying character mappings has 
some weaknesses.



Grant


On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs 
gjac...@bioinfotools.com wrote:


 Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the same way
 as is done for double quotes?


LyX  Preferences  Editing  Shortcuts

1. Enter quote in the Show key-bindings containing field
2. select quote-insert single
3. click the Modify button
4. click the Clear button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click OK
7. click Save

Bennett



--
---
Grant Jacobs Ph.D. BioinfoTools
ph. +64 3 478 0095  (office, after 10am)   PO Box 6129,
or  +64 27 601 5917 (mobile)   Dunedin,
gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
   Bioinformatics tools: deriving knowledge from biological data  
Bioinformatics tools - software development - consulting - training

 18 years experience in bioinformatics ready to solve your problem
Check out the website for more details: http://www.bioinfotools.com

Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-23 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Thanks for your reply. This doesn't quite address what I was after: 
almost, but not quite.


In case it's of use to others I'm going to explain what I wanted 
again, then how I have a sort-of solution, or more accurately a 
solution that raises another problem in it's place.


I was asking for a means to set up LyX so that whenever I type a 
single quote ('), the single quote would be treated as a "smart" 
quote, i.e. LyX would interpret it as an open or close quote as 
appropriate.


(I was not trying to set some key sequence to generate a smart single 
quote, I already knew how to do that--that's actually what I wanted 
to *stop* having to do, a key sequence is already set for generating 
a "smart" single quote by default. I was trying to get a single quote 
to be treated as a smart quote without having to remember to type a 
"special" key sequence.)


Furthermore, what I really wanted was to still get a "straight" 
quote, using a key sequence. The overall effect wanted was that of 
having a key sequence that might by default generate a "smart quote", 
generate a straight quote and have the quote character default to a 
smart quote. This can be achieved with the double quotes; I was 
trying to achieve the same with a single quote.



If you try set "'" to be the "mapped" key in the fashion BH 
describes, LyX will complain that:


   Shortcut `'' is already bound to:
   self-insert
   You need to remove that binding before creating a new one.

These "self-insert" bindings seem to be set in a file held within the 
application bundle, so "strictly speaking" this solution should be 
out of bounds to an end user. Ideally what would nice was a means to 
have "'" act as a "smart quote" through the user interface, and 
hopefully in a way I will not have keep manually updating the binding 
each time I update LyX. This doesn't seem to be possible at present.


My eventual sort-of solution was to edit the latinkeys.bind file (in 
the 'bind' directory of the Resources section of the application), so 
that


   \bind "quoteright" "self-insert"

now reads:

   \bind "quoteright" "quote-insert single"

This certainly makes all single quotes appear as "smart quotes", 
except now I can't find a way to map cmd-' (or whatever) to generate 
a "straight" quote, as it insists on generating a "quote-insert 
single"!


While I suspect there will be a solution to this somehow, this does 
suggest to me that the system for applying character mappings has 
some weaknesses.



Grant


On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs 
 wrote:


 Is there a means to make "smart" *single* quotes the default in the same way
 as is done for double quotes?


LyX > Preferences > Editing > Shortcuts

1. Enter "quote" in the "Show key-bindings containing" field
2. select "quote-insert single"
3. click the "Modify button"
4. click the "Clear" button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click "OK"
7. click "Save"

Bennett



--
---
Grant Jacobs Ph.D. BioinfoTools
ph. +64 3 478 0095  (office, after 10am)   PO Box 6129,
or  +64 27 601 5917 (mobile)   Dunedin,
gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
   Bioinformatics tools: deriving knowledge from biological data  
Bioinformatics tools - software development - consulting - training

 18 years experience in bioinformatics ready to solve your problem
Check out the website for more details: http://www.bioinfotools.com

Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the 
same way as is done for double quotes?


Or, alternatively, is there a simple means to have LyX recognise that 
if a user enters ' LyX should treat it as if the user had entered 
shift-alt-' (or shift-ctrl-')?


I suspect that they might be some way of persuading this to happen 
from the key mapping files, but I've already wasted too much time 
trying to figure this out. (In any event locate doesn't report any 
.kdef files, so I have no idea where to look for them them yet!)



Grant

--
---
Grant Jacobs Ph.D. BioinfoTools
ph. +64 3 478 0095  (office, after 10am)   PO Box 6129,
or  +64 27 601 5917 (mobile)   Dunedin,
gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
   Bioinformatics tools: deriving knowledge from biological data
Bioinformatics tools - software development - consulting - training
 18 years experience in bioinformatics ready to solve your problem
Check out the website for more details: http://www.bioinfotools.com

Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread BH 
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs gjac...@bioinfotools.com wrote:

 Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the same way
 as is done for double quotes?

LyX  Preferences  Editing  Shortcuts

1. Enter quote in the Show key-bindings containing field
2. select quote-insert single
3. click the Modify button
4. click the Clear button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click OK
7. click Save

Bennett

Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the 
same way as is done for double quotes?


Or, alternatively, is there a simple means to have LyX recognise that 
if a user enters ' LyX should treat it as if the user had entered 
shift-alt-' (or shift-ctrl-')?


I suspect that they might be some way of persuading this to happen 
from the key mapping files, but I've already wasted too much time 
trying to figure this out. (In any event locate doesn't report any 
.kdef files, so I have no idea where to look for them them yet!)



Grant

--
---
Grant Jacobs Ph.D. BioinfoTools
ph. +64 3 478 0095  (office, after 10am)   PO Box 6129,
or  +64 27 601 5917 (mobile)   Dunedin,
gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
   Bioinformatics tools: deriving knowledge from biological data
Bioinformatics tools - software development - consulting - training
 18 years experience in bioinformatics ready to solve your problem
Check out the website for more details: http://www.bioinfotools.com

Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread BH 
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs gjac...@bioinfotools.com wrote:

 Is there a means to make smart *single* quotes the default in the same way
 as is done for double quotes?

LyX  Preferences  Editing  Shortcuts

1. Enter quote in the Show key-bindings containing field
2. select quote-insert single
3. click the Modify button
4. click the Clear button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click OK
7. click Save

Bennett

Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread Grant Jacobs 


Is there a means to make "smart" *single* quotes the default in the 
same way as is done for double quotes?


Or, alternatively, is there a simple means to have LyX recognise that 
if a user enters ' LyX should treat it as if the user had entered 
shift-alt-' (or shift-ctrl-')?


I suspect that they might be some way of persuading this to happen 
from the key mapping files, but I've already wasted too much time 
trying to figure this out. (In any event locate doesn't report any 
.kdef files, so I have no idea where to look for them them yet!)



Grant

--
---
Grant Jacobs Ph.D. BioinfoTools
ph. +64 3 478 0095  (office, after 10am)   PO Box 6129,
or  +64 27 601 5917 (mobile)   Dunedin,
gjac...@bioinfotools.com   NEW ZEALAND.
   Bioinformatics tools: deriving knowledge from biological data
Bioinformatics tools - software development - consulting - training
 18 years experience in bioinformatics ready to solve your problem
Check out the website for more details: http://www.bioinfotools.com

Re: Smart single quotes in LyX (1.6.1, Mac OS X 10.5.6)

2009-03-19 Thread BH 
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Grant Jacobs  wrote:
>
> Is there a means to make "smart" *single* quotes the default in the same way
> as is done for double quotes?

LyX > Preferences > Editing > Shortcuts

1. Enter "quote" in the "Show key-bindings containing" field
2. select "quote-insert single"
3. click the "Modify button"
4. click the "Clear" button on the dialog that pops up
5. type the key you want to bind smart single quotes to
6. click "OK"
7. click "Save"

Bennett