Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
stefano franchi writes: > 1. I can insert a space back in with empty ERT+space, but then I have > my file littered with all these empty ERT boxes. They are ignored in > the pdf output, as they should, but there are still very annoying. Is > there any way to get rid of them? I think you can simply fool LyX and insert a space at the very beginning even if the stupid thing would not let you do so. You can do this both in the find and replace area. Simply input any character followed by a space and what else you need, then delete the first character you inserted. You now have an initial space in both areas... -- Enrico
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Richard Heck wrote: > On 04/16/2012 09:22 AM, stefano franchi wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Richard Heck wrote: >>> >>> On 04/15/2012 12:13 PM, stefano franchi wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Richard Heck wrote: > > On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: >>> >>> If you do the first thing I suggested, with the pointless regex, will >>> that >>> work? >>> >> Richard: I guess I'm still not getting your suggestion. Yes, the >> pointless Regex matches correctly, but I still don't [or "didn't," see >> below] know how to put the space back in in the replace field > > Oh, sorry, I see the problem. > > >> Enrico: Thanks for your suggestion (which I would have never dreamt >> of). It works, but I have two issues with it: >> >> 1. I can insert a space back in with empty ERT+space, but then I have >> my file littered with all these empty ERT boxes. They are ignored in >> the pdf output, as they should, but there are still very annoying. Is >> there any way to get rid of them? >> > Maybe that one could be done with a script. Another option would be to add > the space back in with something like "X ". Then you can replace that > with nothing. Ah right...the old trick. I had forgotten about that (used to do it all the time on my wife's word files to get rid of double end-of-paragraphs). Thanks for reminding me. > > >> 2. Every time I try a global find and replace on my file (it's a >> chapter, about 25K words) with the suggested pattern (i.e: Find field: >> [REGEX \s"] Replace Field: CTRL-L " ) , Lyx gobbles up all the ram >> available until it crashes. Is this a general issue with the advanced >> F&R? >> > There have been some reports of this kind of behavior. Glad to know it is not me... Stefano -- __ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On 04/16/2012 09:22 AM, stefano franchi wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 04/15/2012 12:13 PM, stefano franchi wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Richard Heckwrote: On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: If you do the first thing I suggested, with the pointless regex, will that work? Richard: I guess I'm still not getting your suggestion. Yes, the pointless Regex matches correctly, but I still don't [or "didn't," see below] know how to put the space back in in the replace field Oh, sorry, I see the problem. Enrico: Thanks for your suggestion (which I would have never dreamt of). It works, but I have two issues with it: 1. I can insert a space back in with empty ERT+space, but then I have my file littered with all these empty ERT boxes. They are ignored in the pdf output, as they should, but there are still very annoying. Is there any way to get rid of them? Maybe that one could be done with a script. Another option would be to add the space back in with something like "X ". Then you can replace that with nothing. 2. Every time I try a global find and replace on my file (it's a chapter, about 25K words) with the suggested pattern (i.e: Find field: [REGEX \s"] Replace Field: CTRL-L " ) , Lyx gobbles up all the ram available until it crashes. Is this a general issue with the advanced F&R? There have been some reports of this kind of behavior. Richard
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Richard Heck wrote: > On 04/15/2012 12:13 PM, stefano franchi wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Richard Heck wrote: >>> >>> On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > If you do the first thing I suggested, with the pointless regex, will that > work? > Richard: I guess I'm still not getting your suggestion. Yes, the pointless Regex matches correctly, but I still don't [or "didn't," see below] know how to put the space back in in the replace field Enrico: Thanks for your suggestion (which I would have never dreamt of). It works, but I have two issues with it: 1. I can insert a space back in with empty ERT+space, but then I have my file littered with all these empty ERT boxes. They are ignored in the pdf output, as they should, but there are still very annoying. Is there any way to get rid of them? 2. Every time I try a global find and replace on my file (it's a chapter, about 25K words) with the suggested pattern (i.e: Find field: [REGEX \s"] Replace Field: CTRL-L " ) , Lyx gobbles up all the ram available until it crashes. Is this a general issue with the advanced F&R? Cheers, Stefano -- __ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On 04/15/2012 12:13 PM, stefano franchi wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Richard Heck wrote: On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular quotes. Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and viceversa for closing quotes? I could search and replace for space+quote(s) and, respectively for quote+space. That would work in most cases and I could fix the remaining issues by hand. I thought the new find and replace could manage, but: 1. I cannot do a simple find and replace for [space][quote] because I am not allowed to enter a space in the find area 2. I can search for reg expression \s" thereby finding most of the instances I'm looking for. But I cannot enter a space in the replace area, nor can I enter a regular expression in it (as the manual explains, reg expressions are not allowed in the replace area yet). 3. Using regular expressions as sketched above in an external editor breaks the lyx file, because straight quotes are needed for citation commands (and probably in other places as well. Any idea? Try inserting into the Advanced Find field: [REGEX .*] ", or something like that. The regex matches anything, or nothing, so is pointless, but it allows you to enter the space. You could presumably also enter a user-defined regex for a space: \s. Hi Richard, sorry for not being clear. I can match a space with a regex in the find field (I did it with /s), but how do I put the space back in? The replace field does not allow regexes nor spaces. If you do the first thing I suggested, with the pointless regex, will that work? Richard
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
stefano franchi writes: > sorry for not being clear. I can match a space with a regex in the > find field (I did it with /s), but how do I put the space back in? The > replace field does not allow regexes nor spaces. Try inserting an empty ERT (Ctrl+L) and then a space. -- Enrico
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
HI Steve, On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:39:15 -0500 > stefano franchi wrote: > >> I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where >> all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as >> straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, >> in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular >> quotes. > > When you say "source view", do you mean viewed in a text editor? No, I meant the LateX code you get to see with Lyx's own "View Source" command. In Lyx (not Latex) source code, they are just straight ascii double quotes > > My LyX 2.0.0 April 29, 2011 on Ubuntu 11.04 errored out when I put an > ERT symbol of \texquotedbl into a document. In my LyX, when I put in a > straight quote (Ctrl+Shift+"), in Vim it's just an ascii doublequote. > In my LyX, viewed in Vim, my curly quotes look like this: > > \begin_inset Quotes eld > \end_inset > > phrase to be quoted > \begin_inset Quotes erd > \end_inset Same here > > >> >> Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly >> substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and >> viceversa for closing quotes? > > Personally, I think this is a job for Vim. Or maybe a short program in > awk, Perl, Python, Ruby or Lua. > > I just experimented with it, and assuming you can get your LyX to treat > a straight quote as the ascii character (maybe by changing your > fontenc), then I think the following two commands, within Vim, should > do what you want: > > :%s/\(\s\)"\(\S\)/\1\r\\begin_inset Quotes eld\r\\end_inset\r\r\2/gc > > :%s/\(\S\)"\(\s\)/\1\r\\begin_inset Quotes erd\r\\end_inset\r\r\2/gc > That's pretty much what I was trying to do in Kile (even though my RegEx was way simpler than yours...) Unfortunately I cannot find a way to do it automatically, because there are instances where the straight double quotes are actually used by Lyx. So I guess I'll have to confirm every single one. Long night ahead (book is close to 300K words...) Thanks for confirming my hunch and providing the regex. Cheers, Stefano -- __ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:39:15 -0500 stefano franchi wrote: > I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where > all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as > straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, > in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular > quotes. When you say "source view", do you mean viewed in a text editor? My LyX 2.0.0 April 29, 2011 on Ubuntu 11.04 errored out when I put an ERT symbol of \texquotedbl into a document. In my LyX, when I put in a straight quote (Ctrl+Shift+"), in Vim it's just an ascii doublequote. In my LyX, viewed in Vim, my curly quotes look like this: \begin_inset Quotes eld \end_inset phrase to be quoted \begin_inset Quotes erd \end_inset > > Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly > substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and > viceversa for closing quotes? Personally, I think this is a job for Vim. Or maybe a short program in awk, Perl, Python, Ruby or Lua. I just experimented with it, and assuming you can get your LyX to treat a straight quote as the ascii character (maybe by changing your fontenc), then I think the following two commands, within Vim, should do what you want: :%s/\(\s\)"\(\S\)/\1\r\\begin_inset Quotes eld\r\\end_inset\r\r\2/gc :%s/\(\S\)"\(\s\)/\1\r\\begin_inset Quotes erd\r\\end_inset\r\r\2/gc Note that the c on the end of each of those commands causes it to ask, on each one, whether it's OK to make the change. If you don't want to be asked, eliminate the trailing c on each command and they'll do the job in a matter of seconds for a 100K word book. Obviously, you'll need to back up the original in case my commands do more harm than good. Anyway, if you can get your LyX to treat straightdoublequotes like ascii characters, I'd anticipate this solution will take you a few minutes. As far as single quotes, I'd do those manually. If your writing is anything like mine, the VAST majority of single quotes are apostrophes, and as far as I know those SHOULD be straightquotes. From what I understand, you use straight double quotes only in a quotation within a quotation, which are rare. I'd seek out such instances, delete the straight single quote, and type in Ctrl+' to insert the proper curly quote. LyX knows by context whether to make it a beginning or ending singlequote. HTH SteveT
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Richard Heck wrote: > On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: >> >> I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where >> all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as >> straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, >> in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular >> quotes. >> >> Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly >> substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and >> viceversa for closing quotes? I could search and replace for >> space+quote(s) and, respectively for quote+space. That would work in >> most cases and I could fix the remaining issues by hand. I thought the >> new find and replace could manage, but: >> >> 1. I cannot do a simple find and replace for [space][quote] because I >> am not allowed to enter a space in the find area >> 2. I can search for reg expression \s" thereby finding most of the >> instances I'm looking for. But I cannot enter a space in the replace >> area, nor can I enter a regular expression in it (as the manual >> explains, reg expressions are not allowed in the replace area yet). >> 3. Using regular expressions as sketched above in an external editor >> breaks the lyx file, because straight quotes are needed for citation >> commands (and probably in other places as well. >> >> Any idea? >> > Try inserting into the Advanced Find field: [REGEX .*] ", or something like > that. The regex matches anything, or nothing, so is pointless, but it allows > you to enter the space. You could presumably also enter a user-defined regex > for a space: \s. Hi Richard, sorry for not being clear. I can match a space with a regex in the find field (I did it with /s), but how do I put the space back in? The replace field does not allow regexes nor spaces. Cheers, Stefano -- __ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
Re: Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
On 04/14/2012 07:39 PM, stefano franchi wrote: I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular quotes. Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and viceversa for closing quotes? I could search and replace for space+quote(s) and, respectively for quote+space. That would work in most cases and I could fix the remaining issues by hand. I thought the new find and replace could manage, but: 1. I cannot do a simple find and replace for [space][quote] because I am not allowed to enter a space in the find area 2. I can search for reg expression \s" thereby finding most of the instances I'm looking for. But I cannot enter a space in the replace area, nor can I enter a regular expression in it (as the manual explains, reg expressions are not allowed in the replace area yet). 3. Using regular expressions as sketched above in an external editor breaks the lyx file, because straight quotes are needed for citation commands (and probably in other places as well. Any idea? Try inserting into the Advanced Find field: [REGEX .*] ", or something like that. The regex matches anything, or nothing, so is pointless, but it allows you to enter the space. You could presumably also enter a user-defined regex for a space: \s. Richard
Global find and replace of straight quotes with proper curly quotes?
I have a (long) manuscript imported from Framemaker via Latex where all the quotation marks (both single and double) appear in Lyx as straight quotes instead of the properly curly ones. The source view, in fact, shows me countless \texquotedbl commands instead of regular quotes. Is there any way to do a global find and replace that would properly substitute opening straight quotes with open single|double quotes and viceversa for closing quotes? I could search and replace for space+quote(s) and, respectively for quote+space. That would work in most cases and I could fix the remaining issues by hand. I thought the new find and replace could manage, but: 1. I cannot do a simple find and replace for [space][quote] because I am not allowed to enter a space in the find area 2. I can search for reg expression \s" thereby finding most of the instances I'm looking for. But I cannot enter a space in the replace area, nor can I enter a regular expression in it (as the manual explains, reg expressions are not allowed in the replace area yet). 3. Using regular expressions as sketched above in an external editor breaks the lyx file, because straight quotes are needed for citation commands (and probably in other places as well. Any idea? Cheers, Stefano -- __ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
