Re: Changes to LaTeX
John, I love to tinker :-)-O Given my profession I must have a cell phone (and I have another one unlisted :-)-O), but I recently cancelled the landline at my house, since I haven't used it for 6 months or so. el On 2020-11-01 22:32 , John White wrote: > Thanks Doc, > > Lyx is working just fine now, and for years last past, so I will > follow your suggestion and leave well enough alone. I am not a > "cutting edge" guy. I am more a "prehistoric sledgehammer" kind of > guy. I don't even have a cell phone, preferring to use twinkle as a > sip phone on my laptop. > > Keep safe. > > John [...] -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
Thanks Doc, Lyx is working just fine now, and for years last past, so I will follow your suggestion and leave well enough alone. I am not a "cutting edge" guy. I am more a "prehistoric sledgehammer" kind of guy. I don't even have a cell phone, preferring to use twinkle as a sip phone on my laptop. Keep safe. John On Sunday, November 1, 2020 11:05:51 AM PST Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > John, > > Debian uses a package manager (which implies stability and long intervals > between updates) instead of the lates TeXLive. > > If you are bored, there is apparently a dummy package to > install TeXLive instead of using the package manager, which however needs > to be upgraded every year. > > For production use (as in your case) I would stay with the package manager. > Mixing both together can cause difficult to trace issues. > > I like to bleed the edge, tip the spear, crack the ass so to say, so I > upgrade early and often, even if it means running into the odd (usually > temporary) issue. I have this scripted. > > The coming LyX version will like all major upgrades make changes to the file > format so older versions will be unable to read that, which would create an > issue for one of my collaborators, though I can do a Zoom Sunday school. > But if one waits a week or so, they will issue a version that can, which he > will update by himself. > > The below shows me you didn’t run it with sudo, but then I would not mix > tlmgr with apt. > > > greetings, el > > — > Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPad Mini 5 > > On 1 Nov 2020, 18:37 +0200, John White , wrote: > > ?? > > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:22:45 AM PST Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > > > tlmgr update --self --all > > > > johwhi@johwhi:~$ tlmgr update --self --all > > (running on Debian, switching to user mode!) > > Cannot determine type of tlpdb from /home/johwhi/texmf! > > tlmgr: running in usermode, did you call `tlmgr init-usertree'? > > johwhi@johwhi:~$ > > I am using Debian buster (10) > > Suggestions? > > John -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
John, Debian uses a package manager (which implies stability and long intervals between updates) instead of the lates TeXLive. If you are bored, there is apparently a dummy package to install TeXLive instead of using the package manager, which however needs to be upgraded every year. For production use (as in your case) I would stay with the package manager. Mixing both together can cause difficult to trace issues. I like to bleed the edge, tip the spear, crack the ass so to say, so I upgrade early and often, even if it means running into the odd (usually temporary) issue. I have this scripted. The coming LyX version will like all major upgrades make changes to the file format so older versions will be unable to read that, which would create an issue for one of my collaborators, though I can do a Zoom Sunday school. But if one waits a week or so, they will issue a version that can, which he will update by himself. The below shows me you didn’t run it with sudo, but then I would not mix tlmgr with apt. greetings, el — Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPad Mini 5 On 1 Nov 2020, 18:37 +0200, John White , wrote: > ?? > On Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:22:45 AM PST Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > > tlmgr update --self --all > johwhi@johwhi:~$ tlmgr update --self --all > (running on Debian, switching to user mode!) > Cannot determine type of tlpdb from /home/johwhi/texmf! > tlmgr: running in usermode, did you call `tlmgr init-usertree'? > johwhi@johwhi:~$ > I am using Debian buster (10) > Suggestions? > John -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
?? On Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:22:45 AM PST Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > tlmgr update --self --all johwhi@johwhi:~$ tlmgr update --self --all I am using Debian buster (10) Suggestions? John -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
If you have issues with menukeys and the new LaTeX kernel, run the upgrade once in a while until you mirror sees: On 2020-11-01 14:44 , CTAN Announcements wrote: > Tobias Weh submitted an update to the > > menukeys > > package. > > Version: 1.6 2020-10-31 Patience is a virtue (in Open Source) :-0-O greetings, el On 2020-10-16 10:07 , Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > Kornel, > > I do > > tlmgr update --self --all > > which will upgrade tlmgr itself if necessary and then proceed and for > the time being followed by > > tlmgr restore --force eso-pic 56463 > tlmgr restore --force latex 53958 > > > --persistent-downloads is the default anyway :-)-O. > > Steve, > > one does not HAVE to do this so often, but I like to bleed the edge even > if it costs me :-)-O > > greetings, el > > > On 15/10/2020 22:22, Kornel Benko wrote: >> Am Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:07:38 -0400 >> schrieb Steve Litt : >> >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:25:08 +0200 >>> Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >>> Hi, I have come across some really obscure errors when trying to compile my previously mentioned handbook after upgrading LaTeX with the tlmgr which I do at least weekly (on the Mac). >>> >>> I had no idea you were supposed to upgrade with tlmgr once a week. >>> I've been upgrading only when things went wrong. >>> >>> Could you please tell me the exact tlmgr command to use in this once > a >>> week upgrade so I can do it too? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >> >> Steve, I am upgrading daily, nothing problematic. >> >> $ tlmgr update --persistent-downloads --all >> >> Sometimes there is a need to update first the tlmgr itself, so you are >> forced to first use >> >> $ tlmgr update --self >> >> >> Kornel >> >> > > > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
On 2020-10-14, John White wrote: > Isn't git owned by Gates? Git (the program) is open source, the hosting site github includes non-free parts and is owned by Microsoft (so, if you bye Microsoft shares also by you, partially). Günter -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
Kornel, I do tlmgr update --self --all which will upgrade tlmgr itself if necessary and then proceed and for the time being followed by tlmgr restore --force eso-pic 56463 tlmgr restore --force latex 53958 --persistent-downloads is the default anyway :-)-O. Steve, one does not HAVE to do this so often, but I like to bleed the edge even if it costs me :-)-O greetings, el On 15/10/2020 22:22, Kornel Benko wrote: > Am Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:07:38 -0400 > schrieb Steve Litt : > >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:25:08 +0200 >> Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have come across some really obscure errors when trying to compile >>> my previously mentioned handbook after upgrading LaTeX with the >>> tlmgr which I do at least weekly (on the Mac). >> >> I had no idea you were supposed to upgrade with tlmgr once a week. >> I've been upgrading only when things went wrong. >> >> Could you please tell me the exact tlmgr command to use in this once a >> week upgrade so I can do it too? >> >> Thanks, >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > > Steve, I am upgrading daily, nothing problematic. > > $ tlmgr update --persistent-downloads --all > > Sometimes there is a need to update first the tlmgr itself, so you are > forced to first use > > $ tlmgr update --self > > > Kornel > > -- If you want to email me, replace nospam with el signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
Am Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:07:38 -0400 schrieb Steve Litt : > On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:25:08 +0200 > Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have come across some really obscure errors when trying to compile > > my previously mentioned handbook after upgrading LaTeX with the tlmgr > > which I do at least weekly (on the Mac). > > I had no idea you were supposed to upgrade with tlmgr once a week. I've > been upgrading only when things went wrong. > > Could you please tell me the exact tlmgr command to use in this once a > week upgrade so I can do it too? > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive Steve, I am upgrading daily, nothing problematic. $ tlmgr update --persistent-downloads --all Sometimes there is a need to update first the tlmgr itself, so you are forced to first use $ tlmgr update --self Kornel pgpWT3jWDwMC4.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:25:08 +0200 Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > Hi, > > I have come across some really obscure errors when trying to compile > my previously mentioned handbook after upgrading LaTeX with the tlmgr > which I do at least weekly (on the Mac). I had no idea you were supposed to upgrade with tlmgr once a week. I've been upgrading only when things went wrong. Could you please tell me the exact tlmgr command to use in this once a week upgrade so I can do it too? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
Rich, I could do that, but why for as they say here? This has happened for the second time in as many years so it's not really worth the effort. This happens because LaTeX is being revised significantly and thus needs to be lived with :-)-O I have every box I work with connected to a hard drive and to a Time Capsule running Time Machine of both. Once I figured out how far to go back, it took 20 seconds to start Time Machine, and a few minutes to restore. On the other machines I have configured tlmgr differently and just restored the version number. greetings, el On 2020-10-14 14:32 , Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > >> The quick fix is to roll back >> tlmgr restore latex 53958 >> which implies that tlmgr should have been configured to keep a number >> of backups :-)-O. > ... > >> because I didn't keep enough backups but you want to look for a >> backup from 2020-10-08 or earlier. > > EL, > > I use linux, not macOS but ... Have you considered using git to store > builds? Easy to pull out an earlier version. > > Rich > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
On 2020-10-14 19:33 , John White wrote: > Isn't git owned by Gates? > > John Yes, by Linux Gates :-)-O el -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
Isn't git owned by Gates? John On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:32:31 AM PDT Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > The quick fix is to roll back > > > > tlmgr restore latex 53958 > > > > which implies that tlmgr should have been configured to keep a number of > > backups :-)-O. > > ... > > > because I didn't keep enough backups but you want to look for a backup > > from 2020-10-08 or earlier. > > EL, > > I use linux, not macOS but ... Have you considered using git to store > builds? Easy to pull out an earlier version. > > Rich -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Changes to LaTeX
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: The quick fix is to roll back tlmgr restore latex 53958 which implies that tlmgr should have been configured to keep a number of backups :-)-O. ... because I didn't keep enough backups but you want to look for a backup from 2020-10-08 or earlier. EL, I use linux, not macOS but ... Have you considered using git to store builds? Easy to pull out an earlier version. Rich -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
