Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: Except for DocBook classes. It is impossible to make it right for all cases. I don't think so. Embedded Raw Text matches pretty much all cases. DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. This doesn't matter. LyX is not a LaTeX frontend (only). The naming

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: Except for DocBook classes. It is impossible to make it right for all cases. I don't think so. Embedded Raw Text matches pretty much all cases. DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. This doesn't matter. LyX is not a LaTeX frontend (only). The naming

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > Except for DocBook classes. > > It is impossible to make it right for all cases. I don't think so. "Embedded Raw Text" matches pretty much all cases. > DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. This doesn't matter. LyX is not a LaTeX frontend (only). > The

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. Jürgen

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb: because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. It is impossible to make it right for all cases. DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. The naming problem is th same as with short title, in some cases it is the

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. Jürgen

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb: because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. It is impossible to make it right for all cases. DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. The naming problem is th same as with short title, in some cases it is the

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Uwe Stöhr wrote: > because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. Jürgen

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb: because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. Except for DocBook classes. It is impossible to make it right for all cases. DocBook is rarely used compared to (La)(Xe)(pdfla)TeX. The naming problem is th same as with short title, in some cases it is the

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. No, no, Evil Red TeX. It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. I agree, it is not a useful term. If you wish,

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

I'm impressed that you persevered so long discussing about a name of a term. Except of the abbreviation ERT as short name for the TeX code inset LyX consistently names it TeX code (in the tooltips, toolbar, documentation files) because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. regards

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. No, no, Evil Red TeX. It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. I agree, it is not a useful term. If you wish,

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

I'm impressed that you persevered so long discussing about a name of a term. Except of the abbreviation ERT as short name for the TeX code inset LyX consistently names it TeX code (in the tooltips, toolbar, documentation files) because that's what it is - code for the language TeX. regards

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

> If you wish, you can decode "ERT" in the collapsable buttons as "Embedded Raw > Text". No, no, "Evil Red TeX". It's Evil. It's Red. It's TeX. It is scaring and fashinating as some Red Army logo. +1 for keeping it.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> > The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX >> > as "Evil Red Text (ERT)" has bothered me from the first time I saw it. I agree, it is not a useful term. > If

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

I'm impressed that you persevered so long discussing about a name of a term. Except of the abbreviation "ERT" as short name for the TeX code inset LyX consistently names it "TeX code" (in the tooltips, toolbar, documentation files) because that's what it is - code for the language TeX.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Rich Shepard wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no official term (anymore). The (English)

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no official term (anymore). The

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: It's a joke. Irony. Developers also want to have (a bit of) fun, sometimes. I actually like ERT because of how it's a connection to the history of LyX and its origins. :-) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström Mobile:

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. Juergen, That works. :-) Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Rich Shepard wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Richard Heck wrote: [rgh...@localhost doc]$ pwd /cvs/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc [rgh...@localhost doc]$ grep -iR evil red text * | grep -v .svn DocStyle.lyx:Evil Red Text es/Extended.lyx:Evil Red Text eu/Extended.lyx: Komando-mota horiei ERT (Inpernuko Testu Gorria edo Evil

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Friday 10 April 2009 01:33:10 pm Rich Shepard wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. Juergen, That works. :-) For me too. Thinking of embedded LaTeX as ERT would have been a hard habit

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

When I first started learning LyX (what -- about 10 years ago?), I very much liked the name 'Evil Red Text'. It showed that the developers had a sense of humor, and the professionality of the manuals and the program itself was in no way impacted (in my mind) with the 'ERT'. A colleague of mine

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt:    Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. I don't think that's why it was called evil. The evilness comes from the fact that you're formatting,

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Kornel Benko wrote: Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt: Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. I don't think that's why it was called evil. The evilness comes from the fact that

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Rich Shepard wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no official term (anymore). The (English)

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no official term (anymore). The

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: It's a joke. Irony. Developers also want to have (a bit of) fun, sometimes. I actually like ERT because of how it's a connection to the history of LyX and its origins. :-) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström Mobile:

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. Juergen, That works. :-) Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it.

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Rich Shepard wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as Evil Red Text (ERT) has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Richard Heck wrote: [rgh...@localhost doc]$ pwd /cvs/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc [rgh...@localhost doc]$ grep -iR evil red text * | grep -v .svn DocStyle.lyx:Evil Red Text es/Extended.lyx:Evil Red Text eu/Extended.lyx: Komando-mota horiei ERT (Inpernuko Testu Gorria edo Evil

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Friday 10 April 2009 01:33:10 pm Rich Shepard wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: If you wish, you can decode ERT in the collapsable buttons as Embedded Raw Text. Juergen, That works. :-) For me too. Thinking of embedded LaTeX as ERT would have been a hard habit

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

When I first started learning LyX (what -- about 10 years ago?), I very much liked the name 'Evil Red Text'. It showed that the developers had a sense of humor, and the professionality of the manuals and the program itself was in no way impacted (in my mind) with the 'ERT'. A colleague of mine

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt:    Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. I don't think that's why it was called evil. The evilness comes from the fact that you're formatting,

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Kornel Benko wrote: Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt: Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. I don't think that's why it was called evil. The evilness comes from the fact that

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Rich Shepard wrote: > The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX > as "Evil Red Text (ERT)" has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no "official" term (anymore). The

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX > > as "Evil Red Text (ERT)" has bothered me from the first time I saw it. > > Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? > AFAIK, it is no "official" term

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: It's a joke. Irony. Developers also want to have (a bit of) fun, sometimes. I actually like "ERT" because of how it's a connection to the history of LyX and its origins. :-) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: If you wish, you can decode "ERT" in the collapsable buttons as "Embedded Raw Text". Juergen, That works. :-) Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Rich Shepard wrote: The reference to embedded LaTeX within a document being written with LyX as "Evil Red Text (ERT)" has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Could you point me to the places in the manuals where this acronym is used? AFAIK, it is no

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Richard Heck wrote: [rgh...@localhost doc]$ pwd /cvs/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc [rgh...@localhost doc]$ grep -iR "evil red text" * | grep -v .svn DocStyle.lyx:Evil Red Text es/Extended.lyx:Evil Red Text eu/Extended.lyx: Komando-mota horiei ERT (Inpernuko Testu Gorria edo "Evil

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

On Friday 10 April 2009 01:33:10 pm Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > If you wish, you can decode "ERT" in the collapsable buttons as "Embedded > > Raw Text". > > Juergen, > >That works. :-) For me too. Thinking of embedded LaTeX as "ERT" would have

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

When I first started learning LyX (what -- about 10 years ago?), I very much liked the name 'Evil Red Text'. It showed that the developers had a sense of humor, and the professionality of the manuals and the program itself was in no way impacted (in my mind) with the 'ERT'. A colleague of mine

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt: > >    Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too > > difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. > > I don't think that's why it was called "evil". The evilness comes from the > fact that you're formatting,

Re: Terminology Change Request for Next Release

Kornel Benko wrote: Am Freitag 10 April 2009 schrieb Steve Litt: Perhaps I'm too sensitive to those who claim that LaTeX is much too difficult so they won't try LyX or learn LaTeX as they need it. I don't think that's why it was called "evil". The evilness comes from the fact that