Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Manveru]

I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.

LyX is great. MikTeX sometime makes problems. This fact shoulde be marked
somewhere in LyX reconfiguration procedure, maybe.

Regards,
M

2008/3/22, Louis Brazeau [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in
 Ubuntu
7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download
 page--vers.
1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!
   
After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing
 happened
for such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever
 happen and
that the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no
indication in the meantime that anything was happening.
   
It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system
 resources (in
WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been
 dragged
down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this
 slowly
before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!
   
Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN
DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of
 last
night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.
Nothing helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got
 exactly the
same error message.  (Attached)
   
I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software
programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X
 10.5).
If the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex
Configuration item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check
 that
either to see what might be broken.)
   
Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!
   


 I just installed that same version in Windows XP and it works great.
   Installation was very easy (I just accepted the default). The
   installation process automatically installed MiKTeX, ImageMagic,
   ghostscript and aspel.

   First start does take a long time (several minutes here) but after
   that, it's much quicker (6 seconds). And my system (AMD Athlon 3000+,
   2.15 GHz, 1 GB RAM) was as responsive as ever during the 1st start.

   As a test I tried printing the documentation and, again, no problem.

   I have never used Ubuntu, so I can't talk about that. But, I've been
   running LyX under ArchLinux for a couple of weeks with no problem.

   Weird

   --

 Louis Brazeau
   Informaticien




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Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Uwe Stöhr]

Manveru schrieb:


I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.


This was the first time for over 2 years that this happened. Normally MiKTeX 
makes no problems.

regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Manveru]

I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.

LyX is great. MikTeX sometime makes problems. This fact shoulde be marked
somewhere in LyX reconfiguration procedure, maybe.

Regards,
M

2008/3/22, Louis Brazeau [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in
 Ubuntu
7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download
 page--vers.
1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!
   
After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing
 happened
for such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever
 happen and
that the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no
indication in the meantime that anything was happening.
   
It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system
 resources (in
WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been
 dragged
down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this
 slowly
before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!
   
Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN
DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of
 last
night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.
Nothing helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got
 exactly the
same error message.  (Attached)
   
I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software
programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X
 10.5).
If the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex
Configuration item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check
 that
either to see what might be broken.)
   
Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!
   


 I just installed that same version in Windows XP and it works great.
   Installation was very easy (I just accepted the default). The
   installation process automatically installed MiKTeX, ImageMagic,
   ghostscript and aspel.

   First start does take a long time (several minutes here) but after
   that, it's much quicker (6 seconds). And my system (AMD Athlon 3000+,
   2.15 GHz, 1 GB RAM) was as responsive as ever during the 1st start.

   As a test I tried printing the documentation and, again, no problem.

   I have never used Ubuntu, so I can't talk about that. But, I've been
   running LyX under ArchLinux for a couple of weeks with no problem.

   Weird

   --

 Louis Brazeau
   Informaticien




-- 
Manveru
jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Uwe Stöhr]

Manveru schrieb:


I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.


This was the first time for over 2 years that this happened. Normally MiKTeX 
makes no problems.

regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Manveru]

I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.

LyX is great. MikTeX sometime makes problems. This fact shoulde be marked
somewhere in LyX reconfiguration procedure, maybe.

Regards,
M

2008/3/22, Louis Brazeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Bill King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in
> Ubuntu
>   > 7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
>   > operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download
> page--vers.
>   > 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!
>   >
>   > After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing
> happened
>   > for such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever
> happen and
>   > that the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no
>   > indication in the meantime that anything was happening.
>   >
>   > It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system
> resources (in
>   > WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been
> dragged
>   > down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this
> slowly
>   > before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!
>   >
>   > Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN
>   > DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of
> last
>   > night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.
>   > Nothing helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got
> exactly the
>   > same error message.  (Attached)
>   >
>   > I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software
>   > programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X
> 10.5).
>   > If the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex
>   > Configuration item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check
> that
>   > either to see what might be broken.)
>   >
>   > Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!
>   >
>
>
> I just installed that same version in Windows XP and it works great.
>   Installation was very easy (I just accepted the default). The
>   installation process automatically installed MiKTeX, ImageMagic,
>   ghostscript and aspel.
>
>   First start does take a long time (several minutes here) but after
>   that, it's much quicker (6 seconds). And my system (AMD Athlon 3000+,
>   2.15 GHz, 1 GB RAM) was as responsive as ever during the 1st start.
>
>   As a test I tried printing the documentation and, again, no problem.
>
>   I have never used Ubuntu, so I can't talk about that. But, I've been
>   running LyX under ArchLinux for a couple of weeks with no problem.
>
>   Weird
>
>   --
>
> Louis Brazeau
>   Informaticien
>



-- 
Manveru
jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Uwe Stöhr]

Manveru schrieb:


I've installed Lyx a few times... and once... s* happend to MikTeX, which
causes LyX to not work. I took my one evening resolving problem... and then
I read next day that MikTeX repositories are broken so updated MikTeX could
not work with LyX.


This was the first time for over 2 years that this happened. Normally MiKTeX 
makes no problems.

regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Uwe Stöhr]

Bill King schrieb:

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources 
(in WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been 
dragged down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move 
this slowly before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!


Strage. What installer have you used? To get a working LyX under Windows,

- open an internet connection
- update MiKTeX using its update manager
- start directly the lyx.exe (or the lyxc.exe in case you have it)
- use the menu Tools-reconfigure

(this is done automatically when you use the alternative LyX installer 
for Windows)


Then you should see in LyX's console window that your MiKteX/LaTeX 
system is reconfigured. This may take up to 30 minutes, depending on you 
internet connection speed.


The image you attached, shows you that you don'tr have the document 
class installed to LaTeX that is used by the documentation. While 
reconfigurating LyX, all classes and packages needed by LyX are 
downloaded and installed to LaTeX.


regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Uwe Stöhr]

Bill King schrieb:

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources 
(in WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been 
dragged down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move 
this slowly before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!


Strage. What installer have you used? To get a working LyX under Windows,

- open an internet connection
- update MiKTeX using its update manager
- start directly the lyx.exe (or the lyxc.exe in case you have it)
- use the menu Tools-reconfigure

(this is done automatically when you use the alternative LyX installer 
for Windows)


Then you should see in LyX's console window that your MiKteX/LaTeX 
system is reconfigured. This may take up to 30 minutes, depending on you 
internet connection speed.


The image you attached, shows you that you don'tr have the document 
class installed to LaTeX that is used by the documentation. While 
reconfigurating LyX, all classes and packages needed by LyX are 
downloaded and installed to LaTeX.


regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Uwe Stöhr]

Bill King schrieb:

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources 
(in WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been 
dragged down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move 
this slowly before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!


Strage. What installer have you used? To get a working LyX under Windows,

- open an internet connection
- update MiKTeX using its update manager
- start directly the lyx.exe (or the lyxc.exe in case you have it)
- use the menu Tools->reconfigure

(this is done automatically when you use the alternative LyX installer 
for Windows)


Then you should see in LyX's console window that your MiKteX/LaTeX 
system is reconfigured. This may take up to 30 minutes, depending on you 
internet connection speed.


The image you attached, shows you that you don'tr have the document 
class installed to LaTeX that is used by the documentation. While 
reconfigurating LyX, all classes and packages needed by LyX are 
downloaded and installed to LaTeX.


regards Uwe

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:42:39 -0400, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu  
7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE  
operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download  
page--vers. 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!


Bill,

It looks like you've posted four messages, none of which provided  
significant details of the failure, the system that you're using, or any  
constructive criticism.


Why not simply use lyx 1.5.1 (the latest version in Ubuntu's repositories)  
if you're having so much trouble:


   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show lyx
   Package: lyx
   Priority: optional
   Section: universe/editors
   Installed-Size: 8432
   Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Original-Maintainer: Debian LyX Maintainers  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Architecture: i386
   Version: 1.5.3-1~gutsy1

You can install it easily with

   sudo apt-get install lyx


This list is a more than suitable resource for help and information, even  
when frustrated -- as plenty of the list members can tell you.


Best,

Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://uppertank.net/ethanm/

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Bo Peng]

 Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

Happy ending for all of us, after all.

Bo

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu
 7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
 operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers.
 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!

The error message is telling me that you have not installed a TeX
system on your computer. It's a little difficult to use a tex/latex
based program without having tex/latex installed on your computer.

When installing the program did the setup not ask if you wanted to
download and install MiKTeX? This is the 'standard' TeX distribution
for Windoze and would eliminate this error message.

 Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

It's a little strange that you are having trouble, but hundreds of
other people have not (may say something about the installer). If you
don't want to use the program or troubleshoot the issue then that's
fine too, have a good day.

Bob

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[curtis osterhoudt]

Hi, Bill, 

It appears that  your MiKTeX installation didn't go through, or was 
interrupted, possibly because internet connectrivity was lost or something. Can 
you successfully use MiKTeX on that computer? If so, I'm probably wrong. 

I've had no problems with LyX on either linux (Ubuntu should be able to 
apt-get install LyX, with all needed packages pulled in) or Windows (at least 
try a Reconfigure after installing on Windows). 

Have you seen this: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg60648.html ?

 Good luck!
C.O.
 
/
  Down with categorical imperative!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/

- Original Message 
From: Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:42:39 AM
Subject: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu 7.10.  
Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE operative 
LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers. 1.5.4).  It 
also DOESN'T WORK!

After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing happened for 
such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever happen and that 
the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no indication in 
the meantime that anything was happening.

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources (in 
WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been dragged 
down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this slowly 
before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!

Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN 
DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of last 
night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.  Nothing 
helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got exactly the same error 
message.  (Attached)

I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software 
programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X 10.5).  If 
the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex Configuration 
item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check that either to see what 
might be broken.)

Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!






  

Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[rgheck]

Bill King wrote:

That is just flat out RETARDED.

That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a 
list like this.


Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

rh

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 21 March 2008 15:18, rgheck wrote:
 Bill King wrote:
  That is just flat out RETARDED.

 That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a
 list like this.

 Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

Several months ago some guy email me (personally, not on a mailing list). He 
told me that LyX was difficult to install, that he blew 2 weeks trying to 
make a layout, and that he was completely misled by your claims about LyX, 
where your referred to Steve Litt.

I think he was trying to blame me for his lost two weeks :-)

I have one more thing to say. We all get frustrated at software sometimes. 
Heck, a couple months ago I was hopping mad about Qt compile dependencies 
with LyX. The question is, how do you react to software frustration.

I didn't call LyX retarded, I tried to find a solution (which a couple people 
on the LyX list eventually came up with). AND I didn't just yell -- a few 
days before the LyX compile solution came my way, I began the starting phase 
of designing a VimOutliner front end for LaTeX that WOULD compile. I was 
beginning to line up contributors and create a preliminary design for the 
VimOutliner LaTeX front end when a LyX list person gave me the tip to compile 
LyX.

My advice for the guy who called LyX retarded -- if you don't like LyX, code 
up a substitute. That's what REAL men do in the Free Software world. They 
don't get mad, they get even, and that's how great new software is born.

Or, of course, they could contribute to the software that frustrates them, in 
order to help eliminate the frustrations. That's how old software 
continuously gets better.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Books written in LyX:
Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
Troubleshooting: Just the Facts

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 03:18:14PM -0400, rgheck wrote:
 Bill King wrote:
 That is just flat out RETARDED.

 That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a list 
 like this.

Seems to be the average language to expect from an Associate Professor
of Psychology at Coastal Carolina University (that's him, isn't it?)

Well, no problem with that. I did not intent to see a psychologist
over there in the near future...

Hmdahm...

 He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
  effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.

Could well be that we are in the middle of a psychological experiment ;-)

Andre'

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:


He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
 effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.


Andre',

  A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Carpe weekend,

Rich

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Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 14:19 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:
 
  He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
   effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.
 
 Andre',
 
A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
 coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
 and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
 to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Ha, ha.  He rang my bell from the get-go.  Woof, woof.

:D


 Carpe weekend,
 
 Rich

Cheers!


Kenward
(Another professor, but from the west coast.  ;-)
-- 
In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be 
_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:42:39 -0400, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu  
7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE  
operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download  
page--vers. 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!


Bill,

It looks like you've posted four messages, none of which provided  
significant details of the failure, the system that you're using, or any  
constructive criticism.


Why not simply use lyx 1.5.1 (the latest version in Ubuntu's repositories)  
if you're having so much trouble:


   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show lyx
   Package: lyx
   Priority: optional
   Section: universe/editors
   Installed-Size: 8432
   Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Original-Maintainer: Debian LyX Maintainers  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Architecture: i386
   Version: 1.5.3-1~gutsy1

You can install it easily with

   sudo apt-get install lyx


This list is a more than suitable resource for help and information, even  
when frustrated -- as plenty of the list members can tell you.


Best,

Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://uppertank.net/ethanm/

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Bo Peng]

 Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

Happy ending for all of us, after all.

Bo

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu
 7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
 operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers.
 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!

The error message is telling me that you have not installed a TeX
system on your computer. It's a little difficult to use a tex/latex
based program without having tex/latex installed on your computer.

When installing the program did the setup not ask if you wanted to
download and install MiKTeX? This is the 'standard' TeX distribution
for Windoze and would eliminate this error message.

 Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

It's a little strange that you are having trouble, but hundreds of
other people have not (may say something about the installer). If you
don't want to use the program or troubleshoot the issue then that's
fine too, have a good day.

Bob

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[curtis osterhoudt]

Hi, Bill, 

It appears that  your MiKTeX installation didn't go through, or was 
interrupted, possibly because internet connectrivity was lost or something. Can 
you successfully use MiKTeX on that computer? If so, I'm probably wrong. 

I've had no problems with LyX on either linux (Ubuntu should be able to 
apt-get install LyX, with all needed packages pulled in) or Windows (at least 
try a Reconfigure after installing on Windows). 

Have you seen this: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg60648.html ?

 Good luck!
C.O.
 
/
  Down with categorical imperative!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/

- Original Message 
From: Bill King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:42:39 AM
Subject: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu 7.10.  
Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE operative 
LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers. 1.5.4).  It 
also DOESN'T WORK!

After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing happened for 
such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever happen and that 
the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no indication in 
the meantime that anything was happening.

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources (in 
WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been dragged 
down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this slowly 
before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!

Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN 
DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of last 
night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.  Nothing 
helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got exactly the same error 
message.  (Attached)

I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software 
programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X 10.5).  If 
the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex Configuration 
item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check that either to see what 
might be broken.)

Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!






  

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Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[rgheck]

Bill King wrote:

That is just flat out RETARDED.

That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a 
list like this.


Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

rh

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 21 March 2008 15:18, rgheck wrote:
 Bill King wrote:
  That is just flat out RETARDED.

 That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a
 list like this.

 Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

Several months ago some guy email me (personally, not on a mailing list). He 
told me that LyX was difficult to install, that he blew 2 weeks trying to 
make a layout, and that he was completely misled by your claims about LyX, 
where your referred to Steve Litt.

I think he was trying to blame me for his lost two weeks :-)

I have one more thing to say. We all get frustrated at software sometimes. 
Heck, a couple months ago I was hopping mad about Qt compile dependencies 
with LyX. The question is, how do you react to software frustration.

I didn't call LyX retarded, I tried to find a solution (which a couple people 
on the LyX list eventually came up with). AND I didn't just yell -- a few 
days before the LyX compile solution came my way, I began the starting phase 
of designing a VimOutliner front end for LaTeX that WOULD compile. I was 
beginning to line up contributors and create a preliminary design for the 
VimOutliner LaTeX front end when a LyX list person gave me the tip to compile 
LyX.

My advice for the guy who called LyX retarded -- if you don't like LyX, code 
up a substitute. That's what REAL men do in the Free Software world. They 
don't get mad, they get even, and that's how great new software is born.

Or, of course, they could contribute to the software that frustrates them, in 
order to help eliminate the frustrations. That's how old software 
continuously gets better.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Books written in LyX:
Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
Troubleshooting: Just the Facts

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 03:18:14PM -0400, rgheck wrote:
 Bill King wrote:
 That is just flat out RETARDED.

 That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a list 
 like this.

Seems to be the average language to expect from an Associate Professor
of Psychology at Coastal Carolina University (that's him, isn't it?)

Well, no problem with that. I did not intent to see a psychologist
over there in the near future...

Hmdahm...

 He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
  effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.

Could well be that we are in the middle of a psychological experiment ;-)

Andre'

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:


He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
 effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.


Andre',

  A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Carpe weekend,

Rich

--
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of feedback

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 14:19 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:
 
  He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
   effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior.
 
 Andre',
 
A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
 coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
 and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
 to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Ha, ha.  He rang my bell from the get-go.  Woof, woof.

:D


 Carpe weekend,
 
 Rich

Cheers!


Kenward
(Another professor, but from the west coast.  ;-)
-- 
In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be 
_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:42:39 -0400, Bill King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu  
7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE  
operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download  
page--vers. 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!


Bill,

It looks like you've posted four messages, none of which provided  
significant details of the failure, the system that you're using, or any  
constructive criticism.


Why not simply use lyx 1.5.1 (the latest version in Ubuntu's repositories)  
if you're having so much trouble:


   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show lyx
   Package: lyx
   Priority: optional
   Section: universe/editors
   Installed-Size: 8432
   Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Original-Maintainer: Debian LyX Maintainers  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   Architecture: i386
   Version: 1.5.3-1~gutsy1

You can install it easily with

   sudo apt-get install lyx


This list is a more than suitable resource for help and information, even  
when frustrated -- as plenty of the list members can tell you.


Best,

Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://uppertank.net/ethanm/

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Bo Peng]

> Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

Happy ending for all of us, after all.

Bo

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Bob Lounsbury]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Bill King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu
> 7.10.  Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE
> operative LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers.
> 1.5.4).  It also DOESN'T WORK!

The error message is telling me that you have not installed a TeX
system on your computer. It's a little difficult to use a tex/latex
based program without having tex/latex installed on your computer.

When installing the program did the setup not ask if you wanted to
download and install MiKTeX? This is the 'standard' TeX distribution
for Windoze and would eliminate this error message.

> Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!

It's a little strange that you are having trouble, but hundreds of
other people have not (may say something about the installer). If you
don't want to use the program or troubleshoot the issue then that's
fine too, have a good day.

Bob

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[curtis osterhoudt]

Hi, Bill, 

It appears that  your MiKTeX installation didn't go through, or was 
interrupted, possibly because internet connectrivity was lost or something. Can 
you successfully use MiKTeX on that computer? If so, I'm probably wrong. 

I've had no problems with LyX on either linux (Ubuntu should be able to 
"apt-get install LyX", with all needed packages pulled in) or Windows (at least 
try a "Reconfigure" after installing on Windows). 

Have you seen this: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg60648.html ?

 Good luck!
C.O.
 
/
  Down with categorical imperative!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/

- Original Message 
From: Bill King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:42:39 AM
Subject: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

Yes, it's me again, the same guy who couldn't get lyx to work in Ubuntu 7.10.  
Just downloaded and installed what is supposed to be a COMPLETE operative 
LyX/LaTeX/Tex system in windows (from your download page--vers. 1.5.4).  It 
also DOESN'T WORK!

After the installation, I clicked the desktop shortcut.  Nothing happened for 
such a long time I was beginning to think nothing would ever happen and that 
the program was just broken.  It took 50 sec. to start, with no indication in 
the meantime that anything was happening.

It's running now.  Apparently it eats up so much of the system resources (in 
WinXP, 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4, 1 GB of RAM) that my system has been dragged 
down to almost a complete halt!  I've never seen things move this slowly 
before, EVEN IN WINDOWS!

Finally, just as was the case in Linux, it WILL NOT EVEN PRINT ITS OWN 
DOCUMENTATION!  That is just flat out RETARDED.  I spent a good bit of last 
night installing every Latex doodad I could get my hands on in Linux.  Nothing 
helped.  Hence, my trial in Windows this afternoon.  Got exactly the same error 
message.  (Attached)

I don't buy the blame-it-on-the-OS mentality that a lot of of software 
programmers seem to have these days (e.g., broken GIMP on Mac OS X 10.5).  If 
the software doesn't work, it just DOESN'T WORK!  (Btw, the Latex Configuration 
item under Help wouldn't open at all, so couldn't check that either to see what 
might be broken.)

Thank you for your time.  I'm wiping this crap off both my HDs now!






  

Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[rgheck]

Bill King wrote:

That is just flat out RETARDED.

That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a 
list like this.


Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

rh

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 21 March 2008 15:18, rgheck wrote:
> Bill King wrote:
> > That is just flat out RETARDED.
>
> That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a
> list like this.
>
> Frankly, we're all pretty glad you won't be back. Have fun with Word.

Several months ago some guy email me (personally, not on a mailing list). He 
told me that LyX was difficult to install, that he blew 2 weeks trying to 
make a layout, and that he was "completely misled by your claims about LyX", 
where "your" referred to Steve Litt.

I think he was trying to blame me for his lost two weeks :-)

I have one more thing to say. We all get frustrated at software sometimes. 
Heck, a couple months ago I was hopping mad about Qt compile dependencies 
with LyX. The question is, how do you react to software frustration.

I didn't call LyX retarded, I tried to find a solution (which a couple people 
on the LyX list eventually came up with). AND I didn't just yell -- a few 
days before the LyX compile solution came my way, I began the starting phase 
of designing a VimOutliner front end for LaTeX that WOULD compile. I was 
beginning to line up contributors and create a preliminary design for the 
VimOutliner LaTeX front end when a LyX list person gave me the tip to compile 
LyX.

My advice for the guy who called LyX retarded -- if you don't like LyX, code 
up a substitute. That's what REAL men do in the Free Software world. They 
don't get mad, they get even, and that's how great new software is born.

Or, of course, they could contribute to the software that frustrates them, in 
order to help eliminate the frustrations. That's how old software 
continuously gets better.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Books written in LyX:
Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
Troubleshooting: Just the Facts

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 03:18:14PM -0400, rgheck wrote:
> Bill King wrote:
>> That is just flat out RETARDED.
>>
> That sort of language is extremely inappropriate and has no place on a list 
> like this.

Seems to be the average language to expect from an Associate Professor
of Psychology at Coastal Carolina University (that's him, isn't it?)

Well, no problem with that. I did not intent to see a psychologist
over there in the near future...

Hmdahm...

 "He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
  effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior."

Could well be that we are in the middle of a psychological experiment ;-)

Andre'

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:


"He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
 effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior."


Andre',

  A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Carpe weekend,

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: okay, can't resist one more bit of "feedback"

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 14:19 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> 
> > "He has conducted research on conditioned taste aversion, and on the
> >  effects of amphetamines and LSD on social behavior."
> 
> Andre',
> 
>A friend of mine (a psychologist in private practice, also along the East
> coast) who dropped acid in the '60s told me that he still has flashbacks now
> and then. Perhaps we're caught in that flashback. Or, he's conditioning us
> to find him distasteful and avoid him.

Ha, ha.  He rang my bell from the get-go.  Woof, woof.

:D


> Carpe weekend,
> 
> Rich

Cheers!


Kenward
(Another professor, but from the west coast.  ;-)
-- 
In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be 
_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca