Scrivener for APA and MLA formatted papers [was Re: Word processing software]

2013-02-04 Thread Esther
Hi Sarah,

Just another follow-up suggestion for writing APA formatted papers.  I was 
looking through Scrivener, and there seems to be a good APA template that comes 
with the application.  The sample paper shown with this template is filled in 
with quite a lot of detail -- more than is given in Pages.  It's a little 
tricky getting the project templates selected, though, because after you select 
the category for the template, such as Non-Fiction, you don't hear them 
described if you try to interact with the scroll area and VO-Right, etc.  
However, there's a description text area, so that when you're positioned on a 
selection, like the default for Non-Fiction, you'll read Provides the 
project structure and compile for producing an essay using Chicago style 
formatting.  If you turn off QuickNav and just use your arrow keys to move 
through the scroll area, and VO-J to jump back to the description text area, 
you'll be able to read the descriptions for each of the available templates and 
select them.  (I just press return instead of leaving this area and 
navigating the choose button.)  Among the template selections are ones for 
academic papers in APA format and MLA format, and the first template is for an 
essay in Chicago style format.

There's a very detailed description about how to use the (specific) template 
and a sample PDF paper.  (Well, the actual text is gobbledy-gook, except for 
section headings, title page, and references, which are quite detailed.)

I think that Scrivener's templates, combined with James' suggestion on using 
Braille for the citations, might be a good solution for you.  I started looking 
at Scrivener in more detail because it has an interface with LaTeX.  Dónal's 
suggestion about using LaTeX is workable -- but it's also likely to be a large 
learning curve for you.  However, he's correct that there are specific standard 
apa style files in the MacTeX distribution that handle the formatting in either 
journal, manuscript, or draft mode. (The same is true for MLA, and Chicago 
styles).  I even found a web page titled Writing a research methods paper in 
APA style using LaTeX by a professor who was teaching this Because your 
writing should be more important than the specific technicalities of making the 
manuscript look 'nice' in printed form… The basic principle is that you should 
focus on the text, and the program should focus on the stylistic requirements.  
The program LaTeX with the associated apa.cls set of stylistic instructions 
allows you to do this fairly easily. (Easy is a strange term when it comes to 
LaTeX, it is easy one you spend the effort to get the program, download the 
associated class files, and learn how to use them.)

I would have pointed you to this page and the associated sample files, but they 
were done using the APA style file in use in 2006.  If your professor is a 
stickler, there was a revision of the APA style to version 6 about a year 
later, and so there is a slightly different apa6.cls style file now being used. 
James knows, better than most, about using LaTeX, since he learned it for doing 
his papers at university back in the days of VoiceOver with Tiger and Leopard.

I will say that LaTeX (and BibTeX for references) is free, cross-platform, 
multi-lingual, and accessible -- even for tables and embedded lists!  
Collaborating with other people who use LaTeX  in Windows or Linux is not a 
problem.  However, it doesn't solve the problem of people who are working with 
others where Microsoft Office is the standard for the production and all 
documents must be in Word format.

Scrivener might be a good compromise for you as another alternative to Pages or 
Nisus Writer Pro, mainly because you're writing for the final product, and not 
the requirement that this be produced in Word compatible format, and because 
the template description of how to use the APA style template (or MLA, or 
Chicago style) is fairly detailed.  The developers (Literature and Latte) also 
have an educational discount of 15% on the regular list price of $45, and there 
is now even a Windows version (that is not yet as fully featured).

I haven't done a lot with Scrivener yet, myself.  Like Dónal, I'm a LaTeX user 
when I need really high-powered word processing capabilities.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

 Well i already passed the class and I'm done with this professor. lol!All he 
 did was just show examples on the main APA website, but to tell you the truth 
 he was not very good. lol!
 
 I'm actually trying to myself think in the future when it comes time for me 
 to write my dissertation on my field of study. Hopefully by then pages and 
 the other one I can't spell will be verity much accessible, if we let apple 
 know in page's case, what's up and what needs to be fixed.
 
 Take care all.
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:05 PM, JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 Are you a Braillist?
 
 

Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Anne, Phil and all

I think this, perhaps, is one of those occasions where it is only fair to shed 
a little light, if you will pardon the pun, on things. Actually, Pages does 
quite a lot more for the new Office standards than is possible with VoiceOver. 
It seems that this is another instance where maybe Apple could have done more 
to help the visually impaired make the switch. However, do not give up on the 
Apple platform just yet; because where there's a will, there's a way. Nisus 
Writer Pro is your friend.

Lynne

On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:50, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

I'm currently working in Pages on a .docx document. Perhaps Pages doesn't 
handle all the features of .docx but it certainly does open the documents.

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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Sarah k Alawami
How good is pages in regards to running headers.  and can you format the first 
one to be 1 line down and the all others to be at the top of the page like they 
should be?  I've heard wonderful podcasts on pages but having never used it  I 
can't comment.

Can I easily with minimal frustrations write a 7 page paper and do well at it, 
not in writing but in formatting and running headers and stuff. This is the APA 
format we are talking about here btw. 

Take care.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 Hello Anne, Phil and all
 
 I think this, perhaps, is one of those occasions where it is only fair to 
 shed a little light, if you will pardon the pun, on things. Actually, Pages 
 does quite a lot more for the new Office standards than is possible with 
 VoiceOver. It seems that this is another instance where maybe Apple could 
 have done more to help the visually impaired make the switch. However, do not 
 give up on the Apple platform just yet; because where there's a will, there's 
 a way. Nisus Writer Pro is your friend.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:50, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 I'm currently working in Pages on a .docx document. Perhaps Pages doesn't 
 handle all the features of .docx but it certainly does open the documents.
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Sarah k Alawami
We'll see what happens. it was unflrunite this teacher was sopicky it was 
ridiculous. lol! I'll keep that option on mind for future picky teachers. lol!

but first I need to learn pages as I use IText which is good but the headers 
and footers don't' work at all. lol!
On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Sarah,
 
 We made an APA format template which I can send you, if you like.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 On 2 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How good is pages in regards to running headers.  and can you format the 
 first one to be 1 line down and the all others to be at the top of the page 
 like they should be?  I've heard wonderful podcasts on pages but having 
 never used it  I can't comment.
 
 Can I easily with minimal frustrations write a 7 page paper and do well at 
 it, not in writing but in formatting and running headers and stuff. This is 
 the APA format we are talking about here btw. 
 
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually they wanted it a lot different like 2 spaces here, the synapses,  
there, no intro, the running header for the first 2 pages 1 line down and for 
the rest of the pages on the top of the margin, the first entry on the works 
cited, which was actually called references, (if not you lost a few points if 
you did not even title it right) to be indented, and 2 spaces after this or 
that, a cams here, a period there, and other things I can't remember.

The format you gave is that how you can make custom templets? like for MLA, APA 
and Chicago style? And for teachers who want to be picky to make up their own 
style? lol!

Like I said I have listened to some wonderful podcasts about pages and I'm 
willing to give it a try, on something less complex then what the prof  wanted 
last semester lol! Maybe 1 or 2 pages for a start, but I know someone who is 
doing their book totally in pages. and that's how they did their podcast was to 
show how they were writing their book.

Bean and IText are wonderful, but I think pages, and if they cooperate, the 
Microsoft suite  for osx will work out just beautifully depending on your wants 
and profs.

But to get back to the poster's question, I would prob go with pages as it 
seeks like you can do a lot with it.

Tc all.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:

 Sarah and others,
 
 Sorry to harp on about this, but for papers there is *nothing*, in my view, 
 that compares to LaTeX.  It's like writing HTMl type code.  it looks like 
 this:
 
 \documentclass[a4,11pt]{article}
 % this says the document is on a4 paper 11pt font and is an article
 
 \title{Mathematics: how and what to speak\\a discussion of non-speech sound}
 \author{D. Fitzpatrick}
 \date{\today}
 
 \begin{document}
 
 \maketitle
 
 \section{introduction}
 
 text goes here
 
 \section{Previous work}
 
 \subsection{the AsTeR system}
 
 in \cite{raman:94} we learn of a system which depicts mathematics (and indeed 
 LaTeX generally) using a DEC-Talk speech synthesiser whose speech parameters 
 are carefully altered to reflect the content and formatting it contains.
 \subsection{Mathgeni}
 
 \section{conclusion}
 
 \end{document
 
 Now all of your references are contained in a separate bibliography and you 
 just include it.  You run the text through a piece of software and it 
 produces PDF output.  On mac, MacTex is a superb piece of software for doing 
 this, and Bibdesc is great for organising references.
 
 By changing the style file you use, the citations appear in the document 
 differently. For example, if you use the file necessary for publication in 
 Springer's lecture notes in computer science they appear as [1], whereas in 
 other publications they appear like [Raman1994].  the \cite{} command is 
 still used, it's just a different style file that controls how things appear 
 in the final output.
 
 If you have a lot of papers to write, and you have the time, I'd strongly 
 encourage you to invest a bit in looking into this.  You'll still need a 
 sighted person to look at the resulting output as LaTeX can be slightly 
 unpredictable where it puts things like tables, figures etc but I find that 
 my formatting is a lot more consistent when I use this.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
 On 2 Feb 2013, at 21:31, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 We'll see what happens. it was unflrunite this teacher was sopicky it was 
 ridiculous. lol! I'll keep that option on mind for future picky teachers. 
 lol!
 
 but first I need to learn pages as I use IText which is good but the headers 
 and footers don't' work at all. lol!
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Sarah,
 
 We made an APA format template which I can send you, if you like.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 On 2 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How good is pages in regards to running headers.  and can you format the 
 first one to be 1 line down and the all others to be at the top of the 
 page like they should be?  I've heard wonderful podcasts on pages but 
 having never used it  I can't comment.
 
 Can I easily with minimal frustrations write a 7 page paper and do well at 
 it, not in writing but in formatting and running headers and stuff. This 
 is the APA format we are talking about here btw. 
 
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread JAMES AUSTIN
Hi everyone, 

As has been said already, Pages has the potential to be a fabulous app and for 
plain writing it is. By plain writing, I mean where you don't need to add 
footnotes, lists and the like. While you can add them, VoiceOver doesn't 
recognise them as such and will not let you know that they are there.If for 
instance you insert a bulleted list, the entire list will just be treated as 
normal text. On the other hand, running headers are certainly possible and work 
really well. They are a little fiddly to get set up though if memory serves.

I don't know if other users will agree with me, but I think the key to learning 
Pages is learning that the Inspector (Command+Option+I) is your friend. It 
allows you to have fine-grained control over the document. As i and others have 
said though, the short-comings are with VoiceOver, not Pages.

As Lynne said, Nisus Writer Pro is your friend and is also an extremely good 
product. We use both here. There are some accessibility issues with NWP, which 
I can talk about if anyone is interested, but 99% of the app is fully 
accessible with VoiceOver.

Take care
James 



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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi Sarah,

Believe me, you can do stuff with LaTeX, and the underlying TeX engine, that 
word processors like pages, office, openoffice etc. can only dream of.  Most 
academic articles in the sciences are produced using this set of packages.  
Books, monographs, papers, posters, slides (etc) can all be done using LaTeX.  
That style you mentioned could all be set up.  As for ARPA and Chicago, it's 
two lines of code.


Dónal
On 2 Feb 2013, at 21:55, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually they wanted it a lot different like 2 spaces here, the synapses,  
 there, no intro, the running header for the first 2 pages 1 line down and for 
 the rest of the pages on the top of the margin, the first entry on the works 
 cited, which was actually called references, (if not you lost a few points if 
 you did not even title it right) to be indented, and 2 spaces after this or 
 that, a cams here, a period there, and other things I can't remember.
 
 The format you gave is that how you can make custom templets? like for MLA, 
 APA and Chicago style? And for teachers who want to be picky to make up their 
 own style? lol!
 
 Like I said I have listened to some wonderful podcasts about pages and I'm 
 willing to give it a try, on something less complex then what the prof  
 wanted last semester lol! Maybe 1 or 2 pages for a start, but I know someone 
 who is doing their book totally in pages. and that's how they did their 
 podcast was to show how they were writing their book.
 
 Bean and IText are wonderful, but I think pages, and if they cooperate, the 
 Microsoft suite  for osx will work out just beautifully depending on your 
 wants and profs.
 
 But to get back to the poster's question, I would prob go with pages as it 
 seeks like you can do a lot with it.
 
 Tc all.
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
 wrote:
 
 Sarah and others,
 
 Sorry to harp on about this, but for papers there is *nothing*, in my view, 
 that compares to LaTeX.  It's like writing HTMl type code.  it looks like 
 this:
 
 \documentclass[a4,11pt]{article}
 % this says the document is on a4 paper 11pt font and is an article
 
 \title{Mathematics: how and what to speak\\a discussion of non-speech sound}
 \author{D. Fitzpatrick}
 \date{\today}
 
 \begin{document}
 
 \maketitle
 
 \section{introduction}
 
 text goes here
 
 \section{Previous work}
 
 \subsection{the AsTeR system}
 
 in \cite{raman:94} we learn of a system which depicts mathematics (and 
 indeed LaTeX generally) using a DEC-Talk speech synthesiser whose speech 
 parameters are carefully altered to reflect the content and formatting it 
 contains.
 \subsection{Mathgeni}
 
 \section{conclusion}
 
 \end{document
 
 Now all of your references are contained in a separate bibliography and you 
 just include it.  You run the text through a piece of software and it 
 produces PDF output.  On mac, MacTex is a superb piece of software for doing 
 this, and Bibdesc is great for organising references.
 
 By changing the style file you use, the citations appear in the document 
 differently. For example, if you use the file necessary for publication in 
 Springer's lecture notes in computer science they appear as [1], whereas in 
 other publications they appear like [Raman1994].  the \cite{} command is 
 still used, it's just a different style file that controls how things appear 
 in the final output.
 
 If you have a lot of papers to write, and you have the time, I'd strongly 
 encourage you to invest a bit in looking into this.  You'll still need a 
 sighted person to look at the resulting output as LaTeX can be slightly 
 unpredictable where it puts things like tables, figures etc but I find that 
 my formatting is a lot more consistent when I use this.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
 On 2 Feb 2013, at 21:31, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 We'll see what happens. it was unflrunite this teacher was sopicky it was 
 ridiculous. lol! I'll keep that option on mind for future picky teachers. 
 lol!
 
 but first I need to learn pages as I use IText which is good but the 
 headers and footers don't' work at all. lol!
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Sarah,
 
 We made an APA format template which I can send you, if you like.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 On 2 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How good is pages in regards to running headers.  and can you format the 
 first one to be 1 line down and the all others to be at the top of the 
 page like they should be?  I've heard wonderful podcasts on pages but 
 having never used it  I can't comment.
 
 Can I easily with minimal frustrations write a 7 page paper and do well 
 at it, not in writing but in formatting and running headers and stuff. 
 This is the APA format we are talking about here btw. 
 
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread JAMES AUSTIN
Hi Sarah,

Are you a Braillist?

In my experience, Braille is the best way to get a handle on this sort of 
thing. As has probably been said here, different citation styles require very 
different things. Parenthetical citation versus footnotes for example. (I hate 
the former personally) Even within particular departments, different lecturers 
sometimes like slightly different twists on their preferred citation method. 
I'm sure you've done this, but why not ask your particular lecturers for an 
example of each type of citation that they want. That way, when you hand your 
paper in, they should mark you down if you have followed their examples.

I have not yet tried creating a template, but yes, i believe  that you can 
create just about any sort of template you want.

Take care
James 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Well i already passed the class and I'm done with this professor. lol!All he 
did was just show examples on the main APA website, but to tell you the truth 
he was not very good. lol!

I'm actually trying to myself think in the future when it comes time for me to 
write my dissertation on my field of study. Hopefully by then pages and the 
other one I can't spell will be verity much accessible, if we let apple know in 
page's case, what's up and what needs to be fixed.

Take care all.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:05 PM, JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Sarah,
 
 Are you a Braillist?
 
 In my experience, Braille is the best way to get a handle on this sort of 
 thing. As has probably been said here, different citation styles require very 
 different things. Parenthetical citation versus footnotes for example. (I 
 hate the former personally) Even within particular departments, different 
 lecturers sometimes like slightly different twists on their preferred 
 citation method. I'm sure you've done this, but why not ask your particular 
 lecturers for an example of each type of citation that they want. That way, 
 when you hand your paper in, they should mark you down if you have followed 
 their examples.
 
 I have not yet tried creating a template, but yes, i believe  that you can 
 create just about any sort of template you want.
 
 Take care
 James 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-02 Thread Sarah k Alawami
To answer your other questionI am a brainiest but I'm not that good when it 
comes to 2 spaces here, indent here, and so on and so forth. lol!

that is good advice though and maybe if my prof or the next one I have gives me 
an example I could use a  braille display and look to see how many spaces and 
lines to include.

Take care.
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 Hi Sarah,
 
 Are you a Braillist?
 
 In my experience, Braille is the best way to get a handle on this sort of 
 thing. As has probably been said here, different citation styles require very 
 different things. Parenthetical citation versus footnotes for example. (I 
 hate the former personally) Even within particular departments, different 
 lecturers sometimes like slightly different twists on their preferred 
 citation method. I'm sure you've done this, but why not ask your particular 
 lecturers for an example of each type of citation that they want. That way, 
 when you hand your paper in, they should mark you down if you have followed 
 their examples.
 
 I have not yet tried creating a template, but yes, i believe  that you can 
 create just about any sort of template you want.
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread Timothy J. Meloy
Pages will open word documents. Key note is used for power point presentations. 
HTH
TJ

On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hi Ann,
 Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?
 
 
 George,
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
 On 01/02/2013, at 6:24 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello George,
 
 Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text 
 documents. If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then 
 Numbers and Keynote would be necessary.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 I'm now ready to buy my i Mac, and have a question. 
 Will the pages app from apple, be enough to open most document formats? 
 And so saving me money on buying third party software? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello George,

You can open MS Word documents with TextEdit or Pages. I work with Word 
documents all the time as a freelance translator and I use Pages since it keeps 
most of the formatting correct. The only problems I have are with missing fonts 
and a few anomlies in the way text boxes and tables are handled. However, the 
fonts problem is minor and the layout problems are rare in what I do.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Hi Ann,
 Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?
 
 

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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread George Cham
Thanks, so if  pages opens word documents, does it open excel as well? 
And if microsoft office is not required, does the Mac come with an email 
program? 


George,

  Sent from my iPad

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 Hello George,
 
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 keeps most of the formatting correct. The only problems I have are with 
 missing fonts and a few anomlies in the way text boxes and tables are 
 handled. However, the fonts problem is minor and the layout problems are rare 
 in what I do.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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RE: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread David Griffith
The Mac comes with Text Edit for free which is a respectable basic word
processor and Mail which is a good email program.

It does not, as far as I am aware have a free spreadsheet solution.

Personally I would counsel that if you are a heavy Office user then at the
very least you will have a steep learning curve to learn the Mac way of
doing things.
Providing your needs are basic  you will have no difficulty with meeting
Office needs on a Mac.
If however, like me , you need to do serious Table analysis and manipulation
there is no serous option for doing this on a Mac apart from fairly clunky
work around involving using a word processor and the Numbers spreadsheet
simultaneously.
I also found Numbers a steep learning curve and did not have the time to
learn to switch from Excel usage because of the steepness of this curve.
Apparently tables is less difficult but I am afraid I went back to using
Excel on a Windows platform as I needed to get work done.

It depends on what your expectations are. If your needs are creative art
based, music , basic word processing, web browsing etc the Mac is  a very
good solution. If you have serious Office productivity needs for spreadsheet
and tables in particular you will probably  need Fusion at the very least to
retain a Microsoft Office solution. This is why I have been unable to break
from Windows and even this email is sent from a Windows laptop as I am
taking a break from work.

The learning curves could be made less steep with better guides. For example
I am not aware, apart from basic Voiceover documentation, of any guide which
systematically works you through switching from Excel to Numbers. Pages is
also very different from Word and a similar guide would be useful . However
a lot of Pages help is available on this list.

David Griffith
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham
Sent: 01 February 2013 09:03
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Word processing software 

Thanks, so if  pages opens word documents, does it open excel as well? 
And if microsoft office is not required, does the Mac come with an email
program? 


George,

  Sent from my iPad

On 01/02/2013, at 8:00 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello George,
 
 You can open MS Word documents with TextEdit or Pages. I work with Word
documents all the time as a freelance translator and I use Pages since it
keeps most of the formatting correct. The only problems I have are with
missing fonts and a few anomlies in the way text boxes and tables are
handled. However, the fonts problem is minor and the layout problems are
rare in what I do.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 08:58, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ann,
 Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread Phil Halton
I believe Pages will open word documents with the .doc extension, but the 
newer .docx extension that is created by word 2010 is not handled by Pages.


- Original Message - 
From: Timothy J. Meloy tme...@fuse.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: Word processing software


Pages will open word documents. Key note is used for power point 
presentations.

HTH
TJ

On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:


Hi Ann,
Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?


George,

 Sent from my iPad

On 01/02/2013, at 6:24 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:


Hello George,

Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text 
documents. If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then 
Numbers and Keynote would be necessary.


Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:


Hi list,
I'm now ready to buy my i Mac, and have a question.
Will the pages app from apple, be enough to open most document formats?
And so saving me money on buying third party software?

Typed with Fleksy
reply://george.c...@outlook.com




George,

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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Phil,

I'm currently working in Pages on a .docx document. Perhaps Pages doesn't 
handle all the features of .docx but it certainly does open the documents.

Cheers,

Anne


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 I believe Pages will open word documents with the .doc extension, but the 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-02-01 Thread Danny Noonan
The free iText express will open and save the newer word documents. I think it 
keeps most formatting as well. 

Danny


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 I believe Pages will open word documents with the .doc extension, but the 
 newer .docx extension that is created by word 2010 is not handled by Pages.
 
 - Original Message - From: Timothy J. Meloy tme...@fuse.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:57 AM
 Subject: Re: Word processing software
 
 
 Pages will open word documents. Key note is used for power point 
 presentations.
 HTH
 TJ
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ann,
 Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 01/02/2013, at 6:24 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello George,
 
 Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text 
 documents. If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then 
 Numbers and Keynote would be necessary.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Hi list,
 I'm now ready to buy my i Mac, and have a question.
 Will the pages app from apple, be enough to open most document formats?
 And so saving me money on buying third party software?
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: Word processing software

2013-01-31 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello George,

Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text documents. 
If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then Numbers and Keynote 
would be necessary.

Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

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Re: Word processing software

2013-01-31 Thread George Cham
Hi Ann,
Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?


George,

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On 01/02/2013, at 6:24 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello George,
 
 Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text 
 documents. If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then Numbers 
 and Keynote would be necessary.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 I'm now ready to buy my i Mac, and have a question. 
 Will the pages app from apple, be enough to open most document formats? 
 And so saving me money on buying third party software? 
 
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 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
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