Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson wrote: So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? There are tutorials for Objective C and Cocoa at cocoadevcentral.com. Apple has good tutorial books on Cocoa programming. If you go to the Apple developer Web site, there are oodles of documents and examples you can download. Most of them presuppose you have some C programming experience. O'Reilly has several books about Cocoa and Objective C. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
Thanks Lee, this is going to be like trying to empty the ocean for me but I have to start somewhere and you have given me good direction. I appreciate it. John On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Lee Larson wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson wrote: So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? There are tutorials for Objective C and Cocoa at cocoadevcentral.com. Apple has good tutorial books on Cocoa programming. If you go to the Apple developer Web site, there are oodles of documents and examples you can download. Most of them presuppose you have some C programming experience. O'Reilly has several books about Cocoa and Objective C. ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
John --I'm a self-taught PHP programmer and mostly use mySQL for database. It's not too difficult to learn if you get a good book (I would recommend one of the OReilly books, but there are lots available). There are some books that teach PHP/mySQL jointly. Set aside a couple of hours 2 or 3 times a week to work thru the book.Start with the basic, 'Hello World' script and build from there. I'm happy to try to answer PHP/mySQL questions.As for the Cocoa and Objective C, I've not worked in those languages, so can't help you there.Good luck,Sandy PriceSent from my iPadOn Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson prof...@insightbb.com wrote:I wrote to the programmer tonight, here is what he uses:As far as the program, you are right, there are lot's of pieces and each one is coded in a different language. It seems silly to do it that way, but it's like anything, you use the best tool for the job. Here is the list:Silent Partner Monitor: written in Objective C using the Cocoa application librarythe file conversion tools,cbotdtl2sql,cmeprice2sql,cmesettlement2sql: all written in Cmisc. procedures, functions, triggers written in MySQLuser interface written in PHPemailing triggers written in AppleScriptSo, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? John___MacGroup mailing listMacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.eduhttp://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup Sandy PriceAvatarGraphicServicesgraphic and website design414 Baxter AvenueSuite 200Louisville, Kentucky 40204502 584 3868 (voice)502 568 4775 (fax)http://www.avatargraphics.com ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
Fantastic Sandy, thanks so much, I may take you up on it in the future. John On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Sandy Price wrote: John -- I'm a self-taught PHP programmer and mostly use mySQL for database. It's not too difficult to learn if you get a good book (I would recommend one of the OReilly books, but there are lots available). There are some books that teach PHP/mySQL jointly. Set aside a couple of hours 2 or 3 times a week to work thru the book. Start with the basic, 'Hello World' script and build from there. I'm happy to try to answer PHP/mySQL questions. As for the Cocoa and Objective C, I've not worked in those languages, so can't help you there. Good luck, Sandy Price Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson prof...@insightbb.com wrote: I wrote to the programmer tonight, here is what he uses: As far as the program, you are right, there are lot's of pieces and each one is coded in a different language. It seems silly to do it that way, but it's like anything, you use the best tool for the job. Here is the list: Silent Partner Monitor: written in Objective C using the Cocoa application library the file conversion tools, cbotdtl2sql, cmeprice2sql, cmesettlement2sql: all written in C misc. procedures, functions, triggers written in MySQL user interface written in PHP emailing triggers written in AppleScript So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? John ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup Sandy Price AvatarGraphicServicesLogo.jpg Avatar Graphic Services graphic and website design 414 Baxter Avenue Suite 200 Louisville, Kentucky 40204 502 584 3868 (voice) 502 568 4775 (fax) http://www.avatargraphics.com ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
John, Sandy is right: PHP/SQL is way easier than C and might be a better solution for you. There is another approach that I that I think you would find even easier and that is to use FileMaker for the front end to SQL databases. FileMaker is unique in that its basic user interface is very WYSIWYG and relatively non-intimidating to new users. Once you are set up with a basic app that connects to the SQL data (which I do all the time) I have no doubt that you would be able to tweak it yourself to your hearts content in the years to come. I also have no doubt that the learning curve would be quite a bit less than attempting to learn a real programming language like C or even a scripting language like PHP. With PHP you will still have to learn the language of SQL, which while pretty straightforward and logical is not inconsequential. FileMaker abstracts that out for you and makes working with SQL data structures very intuitive. What would take paragraphs of SQL can take just minutes to point-and-click your way through in FileMaker. I can show you some things if you want to go that way. Indeed, everything you mentioned about the app (Data access, user interface, functions, file conversions, emailing, etc.) can all be done very easily in FileMaker. We also have a FileMaker users group here in Louisville that includes a wide variety of users from hobbyists to professional developers. Let me know if you're interested and I can point you to a bunch of resources. I can also meet with you to discuss what you will need to do. You're a Mac user so you will understand this: FileMaker is the Apple of the database world. In so many ways! j. On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Sandy Price sjpr...@insightbb.com wrote: John -- I'm a self-taught PHP programmer and mostly use mySQL for database. It's not too difficult to learn if you get a good book (I would recommend one of the OReilly books, but there are lots available). There are some books that teach PHP/mySQL jointly. Set aside a couple of hours 2 or 3 times a week to work thru the book. Start with the basic, 'Hello World' script and build from there. I'm happy to try to answer PHP/mySQL questions. As for the Cocoa and Objective C, I've not worked in those languages, so can't help you there. Good luck, Sandy Price Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson prof...@insightbb.com wrote: I wrote to the programmer tonight, here is what he uses: As far as the program, you are right, there are lot's of pieces and each one is coded in a different language. It seems silly to do it that way, but it's like anything, you use the best tool for the job. Here is the list: Silent Partner Monitor: written in Objective C using the Cocoa application library the file conversion tools, cbotdtl2sql, cmeprice2sql, cmesettlement2sql: all written in C misc. procedures, functions, triggers written in MySQL user interface written in PHP emailing triggers written in AppleScript So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? -- Jonathan Fletcher FileMaker 9 10 Certified Developer Fletcher Data Consulting jonat...@fletcherdata.com http://www.fletcherdata.com 502-509-7137 Kentuckiana's FileMaker Users Group Next meeting: January 20, 12:00 pm to 3:00-ish 1234 S. Third Street, Louisville Info RSVP: http://fmpug.com/scheduleMeetings.php Listserv signup: http://fmpug.com/mailman/listinfo/louisville_fmpug.com Blog: http://www.kyfmp.com ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
Jonathan, Are you kidding me, we can use FileMaker as the display front end to SQL? Boy I would love to try that, you know I have wanted to learn FileMaker and just have NOT had the time, but to do so you would have to look at what has been done now, really it is an extensive program but maybe FileMaker won't have anything to do with that. I do know that when I watch the calculations it goes into the hundreds of thousands each day, but that is all done in SQL which is soo fast, then displayed in PHP and emailed through AppleScript. I'll get with you after the first of the year. John On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Fletcher wrote: John, Sandy is right: PHP/SQL is way easier than C and might be a better solution for you. There is another approach that I that I think you would find even easier and that is to use FileMaker for the front end to SQL databases. FileMaker is unique in that its basic user interface is very WYSIWYG and relatively non-intimidating to new users. Once you are set up with a basic app that connects to the SQL data (which I do all the time) I have no doubt that you would be able to tweak it yourself to your hearts content in the years to come. I also have no doubt that the learning curve would be quite a bit less than attempting to learn a real programming language like C or even a scripting language like PHP. With PHP you will still have to learn the language of SQL, which while pretty straightforward and logical is not inconsequential. FileMaker abstracts that out for you and makes working with SQL data structures very intuitive. What would take paragraphs of SQL can take just minutes to point-and-click your way through in FileMaker. I can show you some things if you want to go that way. Indeed, everything you mentioned about the app (Data access, user interface, functions, file conversions, emailing, etc.) can all be done very easily in FileMaker. We also have a FileMaker users group here in Louisville that includes a wide variety of users from hobbyists to professional developers. Let me know if you're interested and I can point you to a bunch of resources. I can also meet with you to discuss what you will need to do. You're a Mac user so you will understand this: FileMaker is the Apple of the database world. In so many ways! j. On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Sandy Price sjpr...@insightbb.com wrote: John -- I'm a self-taught PHP programmer and mostly use mySQL for database. It's not too difficult to learn if you get a good book (I would recommend one of the OReilly books, but there are lots available). There are some books that teach PHP/mySQL jointly. Set aside a couple of hours 2 or 3 times a week to work thru the book. Start with the basic, 'Hello World' script and build from there. I'm happy to try to answer PHP/mySQL questions. As for the Cocoa and Objective C, I've not worked in those languages, so can't help you there. Good luck, Sandy Price Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:29 PM, John Robinson prof...@insightbb.com wrote: I wrote to the programmer tonight, here is what he uses: As far as the program, you are right, there are lot's of pieces and each one is coded in a different language. It seems silly to do it that way, but it's like anything, you use the best tool for the job. Here is the list: Silent Partner Monitor: written in Objective C using the Cocoa application library the file conversion tools, cbotdtl2sql, cmeprice2sql, cmesettlement2sql: all written in C misc. procedures, functions, triggers written in MySQL user interface written in PHP emailing triggers written in AppleScript So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? -- Jonathan Fletcher FileMaker 9 10 Certified Developer Fletcher Data Consulting jonat...@fletcherdata.com http://www.fletcherdata.com 502-509-7137 Kentuckiana's FileMaker Users Group Next meeting: January 20, 12:00 pm to 3:00-ish 1234 S. Third Street, Louisville Info RSVP: http://fmpug.com/scheduleMeetings.php Listserv signup: http://fmpug.com/mailman/listinfo/louisville_fmpug.com Blog: http://www.kyfmp.com ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:31 PM, John Robinson prof...@insightbb.com wrote: Are you kidding me, we can use FileMaker as the display front end to SQL? Boy I would love to try that, you know I have wanted to learn FileMaker and just have NOT had the time, but to do so you would have to look at what has been done now, really it is an extensive program but maybe FileMaker won't have anything to do with that. I do know that when I watch the calculations it goes into the hundreds of thousands each day, but that is all done in SQL which is soo fast, then displayed in PHP and emailed through AppleScript. I'll get with you after the first of the year. Totally! Call me anytime. j. -- Jonathan Fletcher FileMaker 9 10 Certified Developer Fletcher Data Consulting jonat...@fletcherdata.com http://www.fletcherdata.com 502-509-7137 Kentuckiana's FileMaker Users Group Next meeting: January 20, 12:00 pm to 3:00-ish 1234 S. Third Street, Louisville Info RSVP: http://fmpug.com/scheduleMeetings.php Listserv signup: http://fmpug.com/mailman/listinfo/louisville_fmpug.com Blog: http://www.kyfmp.com ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
Re: [MacGroup] Where to start (Part2)
I wrote to the programmer tonight, here is what he uses: As far as the program, you are right, there are lot's of pieces and each one is coded in a different language. It seems silly to do it that way, but it's like anything, you use the best tool for the job. Here is the list: Silent Partner Monitor: written in Objective C using the Cocoa application library the file conversion tools, cbotdtl2sql, cmeprice2sql, cmesettlement2sql: all written in C misc. procedures, functions, triggers written in MySQL user interface written in PHP emailing triggers written in AppleScript So, I am toast!!! I still want to begin, I will call some of the schools but who in the world will teach something in Cocoa for the Mac? John ___ MacGroup mailing list MacGroup@erdos.math.louisville.edu http://www.math.louisville.edu/mailman/listinfo/macgroup
