Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Erik Price
On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 11:12 PM, Rich Michaela wrote: If Apple were smart, they would have called it 10.5 and marketed it they way they did 8.5. It would be a cheap upgrade for 10.1 users, and $30 cheaper than currently priced for new purchases. That would help people

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Puneet Kishor
since everyone is pitching in with their rhetorical opinions, here's mine... First, numbering is irrelevant. The argument that I would have bought it if it were 10.5, but 10.2 is not worth $129 doesn't make any sense. Are the features provided worth it or not? That is all that matters. It

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Chris Devers
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Rich Michaela wrote: Puneet Kishor wrote: since everyone is pitching in with their rhetorical opinions, here's mine... An OS poll is a call for rhetorical opinions. :) Second, no one has to pay $129. The OS is routinely available for anywhere between $79 and

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 01:15 PM, Rich Michaela wrote: when the stuff they write requires their proprietary HW to run. (If the rumors of an Intel version are true that may change. To begin with, I highly doubt that the rumors are true - a switch to IBM as their preferred PPC

Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP

2002-09-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Ken Williams
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 03:15 AM, Rich Michaela wrote: I didn't find it worth it, so I didn;t pay for it. No forced upgrade? What do you suppose the chances for 10.1.6 are??? What this really means is that I have to stay on the not quite done version of OS X until I am willing

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Ken Williams
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 03:40 AM, Chris Devers wrote: The problem is, as is often the case, I for one am now eagerly looking forward to 10.3, in which the host of new bugs with 10.2 are addressed. The standard wisdom is that releases like 10.1 or 10.2 are *not* bug fix releases,

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread ellem
On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 10:02 PM, Ken Williams wrote: I agree with Puneet - you just have to figure out whether the amount being charged is worth it to you. If it's not, then perhaps Apple screwed up the price point relative to your situation. But that doesn't mean they

Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP

2002-09-21 Thread Ken Williams
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html

Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP

2002-09-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Ken == Ken Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Oh, was that you? I couldn't find an author name attached to the Ken article. no, but if you know where to look, you can get a pointer *to* the article *from* my name in the list of authors. Ken Are the articles in this series (like Morbus'

Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP

2002-09-21 Thread Puneet Kishor
On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 08:04 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Rich Michaela
Ken Williams wrote: Then don't! You must really work for Apple marketing, right? That's exactly the attitude they are displaying, and in some ways always have. It is a privilege for you to be able to use our OS. That's why we are in the very exclusive 3% market share. That'll be an

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Justin Simoni
It is a privilege for you to be able to use our OS. Hmm, I wouldn't use this argument, since the reverse is just as flippant: We at Apple have an obligation to give you free product upgrades, forever I remember paying for OSX March, 2001 for $129. In September of 2002, I again paid $129

Re: OS Poll

2002-09-21 Thread Ward W. Vuillemot
The simple point of _all_ things is this: Nothing, REPEAT, nothing is for free. IF 10.2 is worth to you at whatever cost you get -- be it $80 or $130 -- then you will pay it. And if _NOT_ then it is not. IF you have it INSTALLED then whatever you paid when you INSTALLED IT is at a level you

Re: need a hand

2002-09-21 Thread Celeste Suliin Burris
You're telling me? By the way, I have two email addresses (work and home) in case someone is getting confused. On 09/20/2002 11:45, Puneet Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burris, Celeste Suliin wrote: I agree with other suggestion. Unfortunately, not all firewalls/proxy server are Mac (or

Perl 5.8.0 on MacOS X 10.2 (problems)

2002-09-21 Thread Brian McNett
Okay, I followed the instructions at: http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/perl.html to the very best of my ability, and now I'm stuck. As I read the instructions, I see: If, after the installation, you get warnings about missing symbols, you probably have an old version of