Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-15 Thread gregor420
: Rich Morin; Mac OS X Perl Subject: Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox) Auto forwarded by a Rule On 14/11/02 1:05, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Ken Williams wrote: 2) High-end users who are dying to switch, but need to wait

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-15 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heather Madrone) wrote: At 09:45 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, Kee Hinckley wrote: Two possibilities. 1. You're used to some version of make which does cpan installs? sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell install xxx I'm used to

Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-15 Thread Peter N Lewis
At 7:58 -0500 15/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I for one, use Maya from SGI|Alias|Waefront - and it doesn;t support 10.2 - there are a number of dialog boxen which get very screwed up by it. Are there any other packages which work under 10.1- not in 10.2+ ? Yes, there have been quite

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-15 Thread William H. Magill
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 02:05 AM, Heather Madrone wrote: More to the point though, if you haven't installed the developer package, you don't have a make at all--that may be your problem. Which developer package would that be? As others have mentioned, it is the Developer Tools CD.

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-15 Thread Kee Hinckley
At 10:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, William H. Magill wrote: If you want to develop for Unix(tm), I would recommend using a platform like Tru64 Unix, as it will teach you what Standards really mean. Just because it was developed and runs on Sun, usually means it won't run anywhere else. AND Not to

Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-14 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 14/11/02 1:05, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Ken Williams wrote: 2) High-end users who are dying to switch, but need to wait until their software is properly supported, or until they can properly do a massive switchover of

locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Heather Madrone
Hi, I'm Heather Madrone, and I just signed onto this list this morning. At 10:44 PM 11/14/2002 +, Phil Dobbin wrote: Switch, whether from Mac OS 9 or Win32, definitely ain't happening here :-( I just got a Powerbook a week ago, and I'm so disgusted with it that I'm thinking of switching

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Kee Hinckley
At 8:26 PM -0600 11/14/02, Puneet Kishor wrote: Also, which make do you use to get modules installed from CPAN? no idea. Just say install whateveryouwant at the cpan prompt and it does it all. Please elaborate more on your problems. That is the only way others can help you. Two

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 09:26 PM, Puneet Kishor wrote: Perl 5.8.0 on OS X 10.2.x does have some problems in that it can conflict with previously compiled libraries. That depends entirely on how you choose to compile and install it. If you install it somewhere other than

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 07:17 PM, Heather Madrone wrote: I haven't yet been able to figure out how to get the carbon build of emacs (a gui emacs) to import the locale so that the perl debugger will run under emacs. Any suggestions for the best way to handle that? GUI programs,

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Heather Madrone
At 09:59 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, Sherm Pendley wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 07:17 PM, Heather Madrone wrote: I haven't yet been able to figure out how to get the carbon build of emacs (a gui emacs) to import the locale so that the perl debugger will run under emacs. Any suggestions

Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))

2002-11-14 Thread Heather Madrone
At 09:45 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, Kee Hinckley wrote: Two possibilities. 1. You're used to some version of make which does cpan installs? sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell install xxx I'm used to ActivePerl's ppm, which looks and feels a lot like ftp. No need to make anything. Unix-style

OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-13 Thread Ken Williams
On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 03:58 PM, Rich Morin wrote: At 8:45 PM -0500 11/12/02, John Gruber wrote: Even Apple admits that they expect only 20 percent of the Mac user base to be running OS X by the end of 2002. It could be quite a long time before that number gets to 50. There are

Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-13 Thread David Wheeler
On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Ken Williams wrote: 2) High-end users who are dying to switch, but need to wait until their software is properly supported, or until they can properly do a massive switchover of technologies in their business You can probably blame Quark for

Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-13 Thread Rich Morin
At 11:27 AM +1100 11/14/02, Ken Williams wrote: On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 03:58 PM, Rich Morin wrote: At 8:45 PM -0500 11/12/02, John Gruber wrote: Even Apple admits that they expect only 20 percent of the Mac user base to be running OS X by the end of 2002. It could be quite a

Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)

2002-11-13 Thread David Wheeler
On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 06:06 PM, Rich Morin wrote: There is also the group that is sticking to Mac OS for reasons of caution. I expect many of these folks to switch over in the next year, however... Some will also stick to Mac OS for a while because it's still faster than Mac

mac-toolbox

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Nandor
There is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I started it some time ago, for discussion of issues relating to accessing the Mac toolbox(es) from perl. The rationale of a separate list is twofold: * Discussions of the Mac toolbox are not necessarily specific to Mac OS, or Mac OS X * Keep

Re: mac-toolbox

2002-11-12 Thread Nathan Torkington
Chris Nandor writes: There is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I started it some time ago, for discussion of issues relating to accessing the Mac toolbox(es) from perl. The rationale of a separate list is twofold: * Discussions of the Mac toolbox are not necessarily specific to Mac OS

Re: mac-toolbox

2002-11-12 Thread Jefferson R. Lowrey
There is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I started it some time ago, for discussion of issues relating to accessing the Mac toolbox(es) from perl. The rationale of a separate list is twofold: * Discussions of the Mac toolbox are not necessarily specific to Mac OS, or Mac OS X

Re: mac-toolbox

2002-11-12 Thread Bill Stephenson
www.SecureShopper.com 1-417-546-5593 From: Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Pudge.Net Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:41:44 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mac-toolbox (FWIW, I bring this up now because I am finishing up version 0.01 of Mac::Carbon, which is a port of the MacPerl Mac

Re: mac-toolbox

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jefferson R. Lowrey) wrote: Actually, I wonder where the break-even point is for maintaining a separate 'MacPerl on OS 9/Classic is. At some point in the very near future, if it hasn't happened already, the majority of Macintosh users will be